Politika u UK

[Max Morlock]

da, sarah lucas je umetnica sto pusi cigaru s jajima ...

Moj tip umetnice

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[zorglub]

15 hours ago, Budja said:

 

Ima. (Njegov duh zivi.)

 

 

 

 

Haha, 04:20

[vememah]

 

Ovo drugo je pod pretpostavkom da Brexit bude odložen.

 

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Boris Johnson must force a general election before the October 31 Brexit deadline if he is to have any chance of winning a majority, a bombshell new poll suggests. 

The Tories polled at 37 per cent and Labour trailed on 30 per cent when people were asked how they would vote in a snap poll before Halloween. 

But Tory support dipped to 28 per cent - tied with Labour - when people were asked how they would vote in an election held after the current departure date. 

Much of the lost Tory support in the second scenario appears to jump to the Brexit Party and the new numbers are likely to intensify calls for Mr Johnson to strike an electoral pact with Nigel Farage. 
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The new survey, conducted by ICM Research, illustrates how important it is for the Prime Minister to secure an early election on his preferred date of October 15 after he vowed yesterday he would rather be 'dead in a ditch' than delay Brexit. 

However, the chances of him getting his wish appear to be shrinking after Jeremy Corbyn and the SNP reportedly struck a deal not to back a poll taking place before a crunch meeting of the European Council on October 17 when the PM could be legally required to ask for an extension.

Meanwhile, many senior figures in the Labour Party are adamant that an election must not take place until November because they want to force the PM to choose between asking the EU for an extension and resigning. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7434555/Boris-Johnson-lose-9-support-early-election-not-held-October-31.html

 

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Labour confirms it will not vote on Monday night for early election

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/06/brexit-boris-johnson-news-latest-eu-labour-confirms-it-will-not-vote-on-monday-night-for-early-election-live-newsbior?page=with:block-5d7209428f082514879eeeed#block-5d7209428f082514879eeeed

 

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Like Labour, the SNP will also refuse to support Boris Johnson’s motion on Monday night calling for an early general election. Ian Blackford, the SNP’s leader at Westminister, told Sky’s All Out Politics that his party wanted a general election, but did not trust Boris Johnson to decide its timing. Blackford said:

Boris Johnson doesn’t have a majority in parliament so the idea that he is coming with a motion to try and force an election having lost one this week is insane. He is not going to compel parliamentarians to give him a mandate to determine the timing - we don’t trust him.

We’ll determine the timing of this, not Boris Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/06/brexit-boris-johnson-news-latest-eu-labour-confirms-it-will-not-vote-on-monday-night-for-early-election-live-newsbior?page=with:block-5d721d9b8f083106f4556720#block-5d721d9b8f083106f4556720

 

Edited September 6, 2019 by vememah

[vememah]

5 September 2019 at 7:50pm

Will Boris Johnson goad MPs to impeach him by refusing to ask EU for Brexit delay?

ROBERT PESTON

A conspicuously rattled and tired Boris Johnson - flanked surrealy by the police in Wakefield - just said he would "rather be dead in a ditch" than obey the expected new law that would force him to ask the EU for a Brexit delay.

Which carries only two implications.

Johnson could quit as Prime Minister before the EU summit on October 17 and bequeath to some other temporary prime minister the gift of suing the EU for a Brexit delay.

That could happen, but honestly I don't believe Johnson will ever voluntarily quit Downing Street.

He’s waited for this moment too long.

Apart from anything else, any new PM - presumably temporary leader of a government of national unity - might well offer the EU the promise of a Brexit referendum in order to secure a Brexit postponement, and Johnson would also presumably die in a ditch to prevent that.

So more likely - and some of his Brexiter supporters are urging him to do it - he could break the new law, refuse to sign the letter requesting a Brexit delay and dare Parliament to impeach him, under ancient and rarely used rules.

It seems extraordinary that senior Tory MPs tell me that a serving prime minister should break the law, rather than break a promise that under no circumstances would he fail to take the UK out of the EU by October 31.

The choice is between keeping his word or disobeying the law of the land.

"He can't sign the letter" said a Tory grandee and former Cabinet minister.

"He has to precipitate a very real constitutional crisis".

It has come to this!

The party of law and order, the party set up to conserve property rights and ancient traditions, is giving serious consideration to flouting the law to execute what it perceives as the instruction of the British people in that referendum.

This row over how and whether we Brexit is shaking institutions big and small, including Boris Johnson’s own nuclear family - as his brother Jo decides he can no longer serve as a minister or MP for a PM whose determination to keep alive the probability of a no-deal Brexit is anathema to him.

An ally of the PM blamed “parliament’s disastrous conduct for years” which means “the system is necessarily adapting to basics”.

He added: “MPs want to stop Brexit and the public wants this resolved. So stuff will break”.

And how.

UPDATE Friday at 10:22am

A former senior Tory minister writes to me: "Robert, I doubt impeachment is necessary.

"Surely a court order would suffice, with contempt of court sanctions available if defied.

"Also, Civil Service code, with obligation to comply with law, is statutory (unlike ministerial code). So no official could lawfully act to support Johnson in disobeying the law."

In other words if Johnson were to disobey the new law - which senior colleagues are urging him to do - the entire government system would be paralysed, though maybe that would be trivial collateral damage compared with the constitutional earthquake of a PM being found in contempt of court.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-05/will-boris-johnson-goad-mps-to-impeach-him-by-refusing-to-ask-eu-for-brexit-delay/

[hazard]

2 hours ago, vememah said:

 

Ovo drugo je pod pretpostavkom da Brexit bude odložen.

 

 

 

I pod pretpostavkom da CON i BXP idu odvojeno.

 

Faraž nije glup, video je već na lokalnim izborima kako su na par mesta odbornike osvojili LDs jer se podelio leaver vote na CON i BXP ili na LAB i BXP.

 

Osim ako ne želi direktno da sabotira bregzit (kada je on pitanju ništa ne isključujem) napraviće neki dil sa Džonsonom za izbore.

Edited September 6, 2019 by hazard

[Gandalf]

Tony Blair: A simple referendum will solve Brexit

Labour has, very sensibly, not blundered into the trap. It should stay on this course. Jeremy Corbyn is now in control of whether no deal happens. He has the most sensitive parts of Johnson’s political anatomy in his hands. Johnson cannot move without his consent. Keep it like that! It is the right politics, and right in principle.

[vememah]

Edited September 6, 2019 by vememah

[hazard]

Zakon protiv no deal-a prošao u Lordovima bez amandmana, što znači da ne mora da se vraća u donji dom na ponovnu raspravu. Još samo kraljica da potpiše

[mustang]

a sta ako eu kaze od okt 19 you guys are out?

 

kako mogu tehnicki da odvoje uk od eu bez uk da je dala saglasnost? oni ovako mogu do beskonacnosti

[vememah]

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Revealed: Election pact between Johnson and Farage edges closer 

Channels opened between Downing Street and the Brexit Party. Arron Banks prepared to donate substantial funds to Tories if a pact with Farage put in place

Boris Johnson’s aides in Downing Street have “opened channels” with the Brexit Party to discuss a formal general election pact, according to close associates of Nigel Farage.

The two party leaders have not talked since Johnson became Prime Minister. However, back-channel meetings between Number 10 and Brexit Party officials have taken place. Further talks, according to sources contacted by openDemocracy, are scheduled over the coming weekend.

They will include arranging a public meeting between Johnson and Farage that could take place shortly after parliament prorogues next week.
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The anticipated talks between the two party leaders, according to sources, will initially centre on seats where a Brexit Party challenge to a sitting Tory MP would do most damage. In these seats, where Labour and the Liberal Democrats might come close to winning, the absence of a Brexit Party candidate would assist Johnson’s efforts to remain in Number 10.

Farage is understood to have made clear to colleagues that in any pact he expects a similar sacrifice from the Tories to stand aside in a majority of strong Labour seats in the north of England where the pro-Brexit vote was highest.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

Edited September 6, 2019 by vememah

[Gandalf]

 

 

[dragance]

Kakva fotografija u Guardianu, sunce ti  

 

[hazard]

12 hours ago, mustang said:

a sta ako eu kaze od okt 19 you guys are out?

 

kako mogu tehnicki da odvoje uk od eu bez uk da je dala saglasnost? oni ovako mogu do beskonacnosti

 

Mogu jer je UK sama aktivirila izlazak, i po EU zakonu se onda izlazi za 2 godine, a rok se produžava samo uz jednoglasnu odluku svih članica.

 

UK može jednostrano da odustane potpuno od izlaska i da kaže mi sad ostajemo u EU, ali to je drugačije od produženja roka.

[Skyhighatrist]

 

 

[Budja]

Opa.

 

Da li cemo na sledecim izborima gledati trecu snagu u vidu LIBERAL CONSERVATIVES? (ujedinjenje LD i CON rebela?

 

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Amber Rudd quits cabinet and Conservative party

 

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Budja