Skyhighatrist Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Spasoje zovi ga! (daleko je ) Quote Link to comment
bags Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Svet je zbog korone poludeo na sto nacina. Navodno masovna isporuka toalet papira je zaglavila zbog ovoga sa Sueckim kanalom. Ljudi poceli masovno hamsterisati i kod zene na poslu javljaju svima da se ujutro obnove zalihe!?!1? 1 Quote Link to comment
ragasto Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 "She may have been grounded on much more than the immediate banks of the canal," Chief Shipping Analyst at BIMCO Peter Sand said in an email Friday, referring to the Ever Given. "The more shallow water she is stuck on the longer it will take. Weeks is an option." Ne uzimajte me previše za ozbiljno, ali čini mi se da neko pokušava da reši situaciju sa što manje potrošenog novca i zato ovo i traje ovolliko. Quote Link to comment
mlatko Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Za tu cenu isplativije im je sad da ceo kanal prošire za tih 5-10 meteraInviato dal mio Mi 9 Lite utilizzando Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
borris_ Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Pa prosirili su ga nedavno. Sada zele da ga dupliraju. Quote Link to comment
Skyhighatrist Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Btw, zar piloti nisu obavezni na svim brodovima? Nije li onda pilot kriv, ako se već neko krivi i traži se nadoknada troškova svima u lancu pogođenih čekanjem? Pročitah negde da kanal (čitaj Egipat) mlatne $700k po 20000 CTU (Cargo transport unit) brodu, štas' koj qrac onda Japanci klanjaju i izvinjavaju? Lepo su vaspitani? Quote Shoei is not yet sure about the cost of the accident. "We will consult with an insurance company and respond once we receive [a bill]," Shoei's senior managing director Toshiaki Fujiwara said. There are currently no talks of compensation for delaying other ships. "Rescuing the ship is the priority, and negotiations [about compensation] would come later," Fujiwara said. Quote Link to comment
namenski Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, Skyhighatrist said: Btw, zar piloti nisu obavezni na svim brodovima? Nije li onda pilot kriv, ako se već neko krivi i traži se nadoknada troškova svima u lancu pogođenih čekanjem? Pročitah negde da kanal (čitaj Egipat) mlatne $700k po 20000 CTU (Cargo transport unit) brodu, štas' koj qrac onda Japanci klanjaju i izvinjavaju? Lepo su vaspitani? Za Suec piloti su obavezni: ovaj zaglavljeni ih je u trenutku havarije imao 2 sto je inace standardna procedura za potencijalno opasne brodove (teret, itd...) i sto inace zaglavljeni jeste zbog svoje velicine. Uloga pilota je savetodavna - kontinentalna koncepcija peljarenja - sto znaci da je na zapovedniku odgovornost. Pojedoh se k'o pecen 'leba sto mi nije pri ruci knjiga sa delovima brodskog dnevnika i opisom identicnog incidenta koji je negde sredinom 60-ih imao potpunu istu situaciju, bio jedno vreme 'most izmedju 2 kontinenta'... Broda supermodernog za svoje vreme, novog - mislim da su Jesenice bile u pitanju, nisam siguran - brzog, itd, itd... Prolazio Kanalom jesam, doziveo hvala bogu nisam, ali iz price ljudi itekako kvalifikovanih, znam, a i nauticki prirucnici to kazu, te oluje su bukvalno vidljivost 0 u roku od bukvalno nekoliko minuta, sa vetrom kome je bila sala da izmesti onu grdosiju s obzirom na njene ogromne bocne povrsine koje su vise nego ekvivalent sasvim pristojnom jedru, pa i vise od toga... Nadoknada troskova u brodarstvu je nesto drugo: stvar je osiguranja, naravno da nema mehanizma kojim ce bilo ko morati da placa odstete za stajanje, cekanje, itd, itd... Spasavanje - mada se radi o poprilicno specificnom slucaju - je nesto drugo: troskove snosi brodar koji ce morati da gvirne u ono sto je potpisao kod tetice Lloyd-a glede mogucih steta na Kanalu... A zasto se Japanci klanjaju i izvinjavaju - ne znam. Bice da oni ipak vec znaju zasto, a poprilicno sam siguran da to ne bi radili uctivosti i gole kurtoazije radi... 4 Quote Link to comment
Skyhighatrist Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, namenski said: Uloga pilota je savetodavna - kontinentalna koncepcija peljarenja - sto znaci da je na zapovedniku odgovornost. Ja sam mislio da pilot preuzima komandu na mostu, nisam kapirao da je samo savetodavac (na stranu što je ovde vrv nalet vetra viša sila protiv koje odbrane nema, sumnjam da thrusteri mogu da kompenzuju bočni udar vetra u koliko, manje od 100m razmaka od boka do ivice kanala?) ed: u ovom slučaju svega 30tak metara Edited March 27, 2021 by Skyhighatrist Quote Link to comment
namenski Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, Skyhighatrist said: Ja sam mislio da pilot preuzima komandu na mostu, nisam kapirao da je samo savetodavac Nekada su te skole/doktrine bile strogo razdvojene, polako se to izjednacava. Opet, evo ti izvoda iz zvanicne, najzvanicnije publikacije Suez Canal Authority koji se odnosi na pilotazu: Quote The pilot must inform the Movement Control Office or the Port Office immediately by Inmarsat, and terta or VHF if his advice regarding the safety of navigation is not accepted or not respected by the vessel. Masters are held solely responsible for all damages or accidents of whatever kind resulting from the navigation or handling of their vessels directly or indirectly by day or night. The pilot is not held responsible for any damages sustained during transit owing to his advices since the master or his deputy is the sole responsible for the ship. Quote Link to comment
namenski Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 51 minutes ago, Skyhighatrist said: (na stranu što je ovde vrv nalet vetra viša sila protiv koje odbrane nema, sumnjam da thrusteri mogu da kompenzuju bočni udar vetra u koliko, manje od 100m razmaka od boka do ivice kanala?) ed: u ovom slučaju svega 30tak metara Sumnjam i ja, mada se mora uzeti u obzir, nase neshvatanje, nesposobnost poimanja desavanja na grdosiji dugoj 400 metara, teskojtm cirka 200,000 tona kojoj i u najnormalnijim uslovima treba recimo vise od 10 minuta da covek uopste primeti da reaguje na komandu 'koci, majstore!... Pazi, 400 metara je otprilike rastojanje od raskrsnice Takovska/Bulevar ako ne do skroz do Pravnog, ono negde do Madere, da sada ne merim, Sava je od obale do obale ispod mosta u Brankovoj siroka 220 metara, koji metar vise ili manje, to znam, merio sam... 2 Quote Link to comment
Skyhighatrist Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Skyhighatrist said: u ovom slučaju svega 30tak metara Nije me mrzelo tek da steknem(o) predstavu gde je dno i kol'ko je najaho 1 Quote Link to comment
Skyhighatrist Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, namenski said: The pilot is not held responsible for any damages sustained during transit owing to his advices since the master or his deputy is the sole responsible for the ship. Ovo su do jaja smislili, damned if you do, damned if you don't, a košta samo skoro milion doloresa po prolasku Quote Link to comment
Skyhighatrist Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Novi update: Quote High tide offered the best chance of moving Ever Given tonight The next two hours will offer the best opportunity to free the Ever Given tonight, according to the head of the Suez Canal Authority. Tides will be at the highest at around 10pm local time (8pm UK time) and the strong wind could help the ship move towards the northeast, SCA chief Osama Rabei told local media. Po-mo-zi Bo-že! Tajming je sad il' ko zna kad + Quote Authorities had not ruled out that “technical or human errors” could be behind the grounding of the vessel. “Strong winds and weather factors were not the main reasons for the ship’s grounding, there may have been technical or human errors,” he also said. Zato se Japanci klanjaju do stola... Edited March 27, 2021 by Skyhighatrist Quote Link to comment
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