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Da, to su stari oprobani recepti koje koriste svi izdavači a bendovi su uglavnom nemoćni jer je sistem odavno razrađen a odvjetnici koštaju i tako u krug...ako je baš zainteresovan za tematiku (i ako mu već nisi spomenuo) možda bi ga zanimalo da obrati pažnju na naše bendove koji imaju slične probleme. Sudska praksa je u nastajanju, Croatia records je deo kataloga proglasila za nacionalno dobro:s_u:, u Srbiji je Pera plaćao Žiki a Mika je sastavljao tipske ugovore pa sve to i nema toliko veze:s_d: i kompletan cirkus bi bar informativno bio zabavan nekome sa strane ko je u poslu. Pod uslovom da ima TOLIKO živaca...

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11 minutes ago, ragasto said:

Da, to su stari oprobani recepti koje koriste svi izdavači a bendovi su uglavnom nemoćni jer je sistem odavno razrađen a odvjetnici koštaju i tako u krug...ako je baš zainteresovan za tematiku (i ako mu već nisi spomenuo) možda bi ga zanimalo da obrati pažnju na naše bendove koji imaju slične probleme. Sudska praksa je u nastajanju, Croatia records je deo kataloga proglasila za nacionalno dobro:s_u:, u Srbiji je Pera plaćao Žiki a Mika je sastavljao tipske ugovore pa sve to i nema toliko veze:s_d: i kompletan cirkus bi bar informativno bio zabavan nekome sa strane ko je u poslu. Pod uslovom da ima TOLIKO živaca...

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Ovaj moj ortak ima, dobroćudni ogromni Dalmatinac vaterpolo građe (čovek ide na sve koncerte kada neko veliki gostuje ovde, mi odemo na jedan zajedno pa nam posle kaže da li je taj jedan bio među boljima na turneji; jednom je nešto loše iskalkulisao pa nam je dao karte za Whitestripes, ne sećam se šta je on drugo gledao to veče). Evo deo njegove druge poruke nakon mog odgovora

 

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It's funny reading Štulić's 's thoughts (not funny, at all, actually... he's VERY correct). 
He HAS been ripped off blind. 
And it's astounding that it's happened in a socialist context in that I would have thought there would have been SOME acknowledgement of his situation (not a big restitution but... at least... some acknowledgement). 
The difference in the Serbian & Croatian officials' responses is confounding to me. Unless there are vested interests, in the Croatian side of things - then it tracks, perfectly. 
They are corrupt. 
 
It is something that I found as being the core of how the business operates, internationally... from the smallest of small to the biggest of big. 
It would take many cases of beer for me to recount to you just the local incidents that I have personally seen... without even getting to the international incidents, of legend. 

 

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A, onda mu neće biti problem da pogleda Galebove podkaste o EKVu i peglanju između Zadužbine MM i Mascoma.

 

Što se tiče Džonija, iako nisam fan Azre (blago rečeno) držimo sve palčeve. 

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A, onda mu neće biti problem da pogleda Galebove podkaste o EKVu i peglanju između Zadužbine MM i Mascoma.
 
Što se tiče Džonija, iako nisam fan Azre (blago rečeno) držimo sve palčeve. 
Ja nikako da se nakanim da pogledam to.
A to me zapravo mnogo više zanima, čak mislim da je i zanimljivije.







... Shiit has hit the fan

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26 minutes ago, Mos said:

 

Mnogo bolji intervju nego onaj na foru Balkan Infu. Pred kraj kaze da je sa sviranjem i bilo kakvim nastupima gotovo. 

 

Pa to je vise nego izvesno. Ako je i postojala neka nada pocetkom 90tih, vec dugo je nema. On je imao 38 kad se povukao, sad ima 68. Jebiga.

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13 minutes ago, chandra said:

 

Pa to je vise nego izvesno. Ako je i postojala neka nada pocetkom 90tih, vec dugo je nema. On je imao 38 kad se povukao, sad ima 68. Jebiga.

 

Znam, nego je na forumu bilo lamenta zbog ocajnih snimaka koje kaci poslednjih deset godina, ovde mi se ucinilo da je sasvim svestan toga i zabole ga onako penzionerski. :D

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1 hour ago, Mos said:

 

Znam, nego je na forumu bilo lamenta zbog ocajnih snimaka koje kaci poslednjih deset godina, ovde mi se ucinilo da je sasvim svestan toga i zabole ga onako penzionerski. :D

 

Ma da. Ja sam ubedjen da je on mnoge od tih pesama namerno usrao. Neke su prosto nepojmljivo lose snimljene, bukvalno ko da se snimao u kupatilu na mono kasetofon.

Mislim, Dzoni je daleko od normalne osobe (sta god to znacilo), pa nema ni smisla interpretirati njegove akcije.

 

Ali kad smo vec tu. Ja bih voleo da cujem neku njegovu pricu o tome kako provodi dane i kako je moguce da se tako intelektualno ziv covek zakopa u jebenom Houtenu. On ni do Utrechta ne dodje. Nista koncerti, nista barovi, nista umetnicka scena tamo... pre 20 godina valjda samo fudbal, sad verovatno ni to. Houten je predgradje Utrechta, ali takvo dupe sveta da se to tesko moze zamisliti. Jednake dosadne kucice u jednakim dosadnim ulicama, naselje neke mediokritetske cinovnicke srednje klase, jezerce s patkama i nista vise. Mentalna pripizdina nevidjenih razmera. Prosao sam mu biciklom ispred kuce vise puta, tu blizu mi je ziveo neki kolega. Mislio se dal da kucnem ili ne. Na kraju nisam - bilo mi nesto bezveze da ga na bilo koji nacin uznemiravam. Da zivi negde na amsterdamskom kanalu ili u nekom vibrant kvartu, mislim da bih pozvonio bez razmisljanja.

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On 8.8.2021. at 20:00, Gojko & Stojko said:

Imam jednog prijatelja ovde, ženin bivši kolega, koji je poreklom Hrvat i razume naš jezik (ne govori ga), pa sam mu pre nekog vremena gurnuo YT link o Štuliću onog američkog profesora koji je oženjen našom Vojvođankom. Moj Ozi prijatelj je inače primenjeni umetnik, sa puno godina iskustva rada omota albuma za razne izdavačke kuće, posle čega je prešao na industriju igara gde je radio s mojom ženom. Čovek inače ima ogromnu muzičku kolekciju, između ostalog je naleteo na matrice koje ljudi prodaju iz Jugotonovih arhiva, pa je tako za relativno male pare kupovao originale traka raznih američkih i britanskih bendova do kojih nikako ne bi mogao da dođe iz anglo izvora (ili bi ga koštale mnogostruko više). Videvši najnoviji razvoj situacije sa Štulićem, poslao sam mu link na tekst iz Danasa, a u spojleru je odgovor koji sam dobio.

 

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Definitely interesting (& took me awhile to digest). 
 
Johnny Štulic was definitely right. 
But that process is not uncommon - it's how those businesses operate. 
The principle is... "we are the 'haves'. We 'have' your recordings / property / IP. 
We will use whatever means possible (usually legal or by obfuscating) to keep this away from you & squeeze it for whatever we can, in the meantime. You will die before the company / business does. 
We just change names & logos when we cover up. 
Try suing a company that no longer exists. 
 
The whole way the royalty process works supports this. 
They are not bound to any accountability for what revenue comes in, from where, or how much. They just choose to send you a cheque - or not. 
And you're supposed to just 'accept' their accounting. 
 
The music 'industry' was born via the mafia. 
It just got 'legitimised', after many decades. 
It's always been reliant on those wicked rules & methods. 
 
So...
The fact they audited themselves & sold the IP & physical recordings to themselves at a reduced value  (in effect, by 'privatising') and didn't even include the scope of those assets - speaks volumes about the illegality where the core business resides & operates - as does the argument that the term 'phonograms' did not exist (& therefore any legal challenge is irrelevant). 
The law only supports those who can afford to influence it. 
 
This is not, at all, unusual for the business - it's standard practice. 
 
SST signed numerous 'essential' (& embryonic) punk bands - husker du, black flag, sonic youth, minutemen, meat puppets, dinosaur jr., sound garden. 
 
Most of these muso's still claim to have never seen a royalty cheque from them, despite the records being in print for about 20 years & the initial recordings costing $300 - $1000 to produce. 
Only 4 bands got their rights  back because they had the money to sue.  
SST has returned the 'rights' to some of these but has held on to the actual recordings. 
If that's not extortion, then what is?
 
So, yeah, it's an industry standard practice - "we have it, try & get it". Possession is 9/10 of the law. 
 
Štulic saying he's the only case in the world not being paid for his music or literary work is näive & a bunch of hyperbole. 
There are PLENTY of artists who have been treated the same way in an industry that has thrived on these practices. 
And... much bigger / 'better' artists than him. 
 
I keep saying to you, when I moved to gambling, many friends kept asking: "how can you possibly work for such a filthy industry...?"  Have you no conscience?
 
It's easy... because I've worked for much worse - and I got out. 
 
So... those reels... unrelated except the record company probably trashed or lost track of them when they went through change. ('Digitising' also forced a lot of this stuff to be thrown out... only to find out, later, it might be a mistake). 
As a uni student, I have been employed many times to take such material to the tip. 
 
I was comparing, with a friend of mine, who did the same thing @ waterfront records - the size of the bands we (separately) buried at the St. Peter's tip. 
There's a LOT of nirvana under Sydney park!!  😂
 
I will be interested to see if the Azra stuff turns up in the next batch. 
 
Have a listen to Tim... it scrapes the surface..
 

 

Mali dodatak na konverzaciju sa ortakom iz spojlera, posebno na deo o njegovom prelasku iz muzičke industrije u industriju igara, tada smo komentarisali seriju "Vinyl" i lika koji u seriji glumi Bobi Kanavale, sada mi je uz komentarisanje dokumentarca na državnoj televiziji (vidi dole) dodao da se u toj firmi učio menadžmentu, tamo je radio od '92. do '96. Još kaže da verovatno za svaku kuću može da se napravi sličan dokumentarac (Polygram, EMI, Universal, Warner, Eleven, plus o Majklu Gudinskom koji je skoro umro a imao je svoju indi kuću Mushroom Records).

Facing the music: The Sony Music scandal

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Vidim da je opet nešto izbacio, malo neki instrumentali, malo obrade narodnjaka i tradicionala, malo kaveri stare Azre, standardno neslušljivo kao i sve iz ove YT faze uz taj neki užasni reverb

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