Halvard Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 (edited) Stvar je u tome što je naš pravopis iz nepoznatih razloga jako dugo insistirao na tome (a možda i još uvek) da se pri transkripciji italijanskih imena koristi slovo/glas "č" umesto "ć" koje srpskom uhu ipak zvuči prirodnije. Tako smo dobili okamenjene oblike poput Pučini, Frančesko i slično, ali hvala bogu, u novije vreme je primetna tendencija da ljudi slušaju svoje uši, a ne šta su srpski filolozi rekli pre 100 godina. Edited May 1, 2024 by Halvard 4
ubibobi Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 (edited) Eto, onaj se tripuje da je rols rojs a nije ni fiat ćinkvećento.. pa čak ni činkvečento Edited May 1, 2024 by ubibobi
Ratamahatta Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 (edited) Je l' Tristać ili Tristač? Fića ili Fiča? Ćale ili Hrvoje Čale? Edited May 1, 2024 by Ratamahatta
Lancia Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 (edited) Ma lepo Serena napisala, nema sanse da Italijani izgovore Č , eventualno oni koji dugo zive van Italije nabodu simpaticno DŽ. Edited May 1, 2024 by Lancia 1
copkillah Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 15 minutes ago, Lancia said: Ma daj ne izmisljaj Bukvalno kaže "AnČeloti", hvala što si potvrdio. 1 1
Lancia Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 Just now, copkillah said: Bukvalno kaže "AnČeloti", hvala što si potvrdio. Sta da ti kazem, ni Spanci ni Italijani nemaju to slovo, niti znaju da ga izgovore, al tebi nesto dokazati... 2
vememah Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 (edited) Špancima je po izgovoru B i V isto, ali to nema nikakve veze s našim pravopisom. Edited May 1, 2024 by vememah 1
morgana Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 klajnovo uho je malo tvrdo, nikad mi nije bilo jasno to insistiranje na č ć kao ćao (od italijanskog ćao). i ćao. 4
Milošica Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 2 minutes ago, Caligula said: Ne bi, kursadzije ne kapiram itch Znam da voliš moj (ne)humor 1
Lancia Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 2 minutes ago, vememah said: Špancima je po izgovoru B i V isto, ali to nema nikakve veze s našim pravopisom. Kako mislis isto?¿
Lancia Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 1 minute ago, kud u maglu Simoviću said: varcelona i balensija?¿ Kud u maglu SimoBicu 1
vememah Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 (edited) Lepo. Real Academia Española (Kraljevska španska akademija [nauka i umetnosti]): Quote No existe en español ninguna diferencia en la pronunciación de las letras b y v. https://www.rae.es/dpd/v Quote In Spanish, we don't have the labiodental [v] sound, as in the word 'valve' in English, in which you bite your bottom lip to produce it. In some small regions of Spain and Latin America people differentiate B and V because of influences from other languages (Catalan, or some Indo-American languages, for example), but it is uncommon. For the vast majority of Spanish speakers, V is bilabial, just like B. There are even some examples in Medieval Spanish in which people sometimes spelled the same word with V or B, randomly. Today, you don't get to choose. Words are spelled with either one or the other. We could just get rid of V and spell everything with B, but it would be awkward because people are of course used to spelling words in a certain way for historical reasons. The Royal Spanish Academy said already in the 18th century that Spaniards pronounce both letters in the same way. Today, the Association of Academies of the Spanish Language still thinks that's how most Spanish speakers in the world do it. https://www.bergesinstitutespanish.com/blog/how-to-pronounce-b-and-v-in-spanish Edited May 1, 2024 by vememah
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