Kolaps elektroenergetskog sistema?

[3opge]

@radisa

zasto si kacio zicom komp  na mrezu?

 

[Bambula]

Dešava se ruter je probio i povuklo je prvo sledeće,a to je u tvom slučaju bila mrežna kartica.

 

Ja sam recimo na SBB ali je čvorište ispred dvorišta na banderi tako da ne brinem jer čvorište ima prenaponsku zaštitu,ako ništa drugo bar stavljaju varničare kao nekad  Ko se malo razume i ima vremena može i sam da reši prenaponsku na UTP,komponente nisu skupe.Ali ko ne zna jednostavnije je kupiti gotovu stvar.

 

Mislim da se ne razumemo,produžni nije nikakva zaštita upravo zbog prekidača,jedini siguran način je da se izvuče iz utičnice 

 

Ja sam dok je bilo aktuelno imao neku DIY varijantu antene u koju je grom baš voleo da gadja,2 televizora su platila cenu dok nismo nakalemili varničare 

[radisa]

14 minutes ago, 3opge said:

@radisa

zasto si kacio zicom komp  na mrezu?

 

Stabilnije mi je kad imam  vece protoke... 

 

Tj. Imao sam osecaj da jeste, sad vise nisam siguran da je i stvarno tako...

 

A i ruter mi je 2m od kompa, sto da ne...

 

 

[Moonwalker]

@Bambula Varnicar - Odvodnik prenapona? 

 

Tebi je grom dosao preko antenskog kabla, a ne preko elektricne instalacije.  Ono nisu prekidaci vec prenaponska zastita 

 

Sad citam  What is not covered under the Equipment Protection Policy:

 

Spoiler

What is not covered under the Equipment Protection Policy:

 

1.DAMAGE TO ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT RESULTING FROM TRANSIENTS ON DATA LINES IS NOT COVERED.

2.Restoration of lost data and reinstallation of software are not covered.

3.This policy does not cover damage from a cause other than AC power line transients, except for damage due to telephone line or CATV transients, which is covered only if the APC by Schneider Electric product offers such protection.

4.DAMAGE CAUSED BY FAILURE TO PROVIDE A SUITABLE INSTALLATION ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PRODUCT (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LACK OF A PROPER SAFETY GROUND).

5.Damage caused by the use of the APC by Schneider Electric product for purposes other than those for which it was designed.

6.Damage caused by accidents, or disasters such as fire, flood, or wind.

7.Damage caused by abuse, misuse, alternation, modification, or negligence.

8.This policy is null and void if, in SEIT’s view, the APC by Schneider Electric product has been tampered with or altered in any way.

9.EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN THIS POLICY, IN NO CASE SHALL SEIT BE LIABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS POLICY FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR MULTIPLE DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE APC BY SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC PRODUCT OR DAMAGE TO THE CONNECTED EQUIPMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH SUCH CLAIM IS BASED, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. SUCH DAMAGES INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, LOSS OF PROFITS, LOSS OF SAVINGS OR REVENUE, LOSS OF USE OF THE APC BY SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC PRODUCT OR THE CONNECTED EQUIPMENT OR ANY ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT, LOSS OF SOFTWARE, COST OF CAPITAL, COST OF ANY SUBSTITUTE EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES OR SERVICES, DOWNTIME, THE CLAIMS OF THIRD PARTIES, INCLUDING CUSTOMERS, AND INJURY TO PROPERTY

 

 

@radisa Ti bi prema ovome mozda imao i pravo na odstetu ako imas prikljuceno preko APC, a ne reaguje i ne sacuva ti hardver

Edited October 21, 2022 by Moonwalker

[radisa]

24 minutes ago, Moonwalker said:

A gde je bio osnovni kvar, van tvoje kuce tj instalacije? 

 

Ispada da APC treba da stoji u seriji ispred rutera i da treba da je deo opreme provajdera.

Pa zveknuo je grom negde blizu i sledece sto se desilo je da mi se komp ugasio, ruter resetovao... Struja u kući ok radila...

[3opge]

3 minutes ago, Moonwalker said:

@Bambula Varnicar - Odvodnik prenapona? 

 

Tebi je grom dosao preko antenskog kabla, a ne preko elektricne instalacije.  Ono nisu prekidaci vec prenaponska zastita 

 

Sad citam  What is not covered under the Equipment Protection Policy:

 

  Hide contents

What is not covered under the Equipment Protection Policy:

 

1.DAMAGE TO ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT RESULTING FROM TRANSIENTS ON DATA LINES IS NOT COVERED.

2.Restoration of lost data and reinstallation of software are not covered.

3.This policy does not cover damage from a cause other than AC power line transients, except for damage due to telephone line or CATV transients, which is covered only if the APC by Schneider Electric product offers such protection.

4.DAMAGE CAUSED BY FAILURE TO PROVIDE A SUITABLE INSTALLATION ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PRODUCT (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LACK OF A PROPER SAFETY GROUND).

5.Damage caused by the use of the APC by Schneider Electric product for purposes other than those for which it was designed.

6.Damage caused by accidents, or disasters such as fire, flood, or wind.

7.Damage caused by abuse, misuse, alternation, modification, or negligence.

8.This policy is null and void if, in SEIT’s view, the APC by Schneider Electric product has been tampered with or altered in any way.

9.EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN THIS POLICY, IN NO CASE SHALL SEIT BE LIABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS POLICY FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR MULTIPLE DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE APC BY SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC PRODUCT OR DAMAGE TO THE CONNECTED EQUIPMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH SUCH CLAIM IS BASED, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. SUCH DAMAGES INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, LOSS OF PROFITS, LOSS OF SAVINGS OR REVENUE, LOSS OF USE OF THE APC BY SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC PRODUCT OR THE CONNECTED EQUIPMENT OR ANY ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT, LOSS OF SOFTWARE, COST OF CAPITAL, COST OF ANY SUBSTITUTE EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES OR SERVICES, DOWNTIME, THE CLAIMS OF THIRD PARTIES, INCLUDING CUSTOMERS, AND INJURY TO PROPERTY

 

 

@radisa Ti bi prema ovome mozda imao i pravo na odstetu ako imas prikljuceno preko APC, a ne reaguje i ne sacuva ti hardver

 

 

po ovome ne pokriva gromove uopste.

 

 

[Moonwalker]

22 minutes ago, radisa said:

Pa zveknuo je grom negde blizu i sledece sto se desilo je da mi se komp ugasio, ruter resetovao... Struja u kući ok radila...

 

Znaci elektricne instalacije su bile OK, ali ne i one Internetske. To je onda pitanje kako provajderi stite svoju instalaciju od uticaja elektricnog praznjenja. Ovaj uredjaj bi trebalo da bude deo njihove isporuke uz ruter.

 

@3opge Pa nije predvidjen za to, nego za prenapone koji poticu usled kvara u elektricnoj mrezi. Distributivni stubovi bi trebalo da imaju gromobransko uzemljenje i odvodnike prenapona.

 

Zastitno i gromorbransko uzemljenje na stambenim objektima su obavezno razdvojeni. Daleko bilo da se atmosfersko praznjenje poveze sa kucnom instalacijom

Vidis da ni radisa nije imao problem sa elektricnom instalacijom, vec samo sa Internetom.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Moonwalker

[3opge]

44 minutes ago, Moonwalker said:

 

Znaci elektricne instalacije su bile OK, ali ne i one Internetske. To je onda pitanje kako provajderi stite svoju instalaciju od uticaja elektricnog praznjenja. Ovaj uredjaj bi trebalo da bude deo njihove isporuke uz ruter.

 

@3opge Pa nije predvidjen za to, nego za prenapone koji poticu usled kvara u elektricnoj mrezi. Distributivni stubovi bi trebalo da imaju gromobransko uzemljenje i odvodnike prenapona.

 

Zastitno i gromorbransko uzemljenje na stambenim objektima su obavezno razdvojeni. Daleko bilo da se atmosfersko praznjenje poveze sa kucnom instalacijom

Vidis da ni radisa nije imao problem sa elektricnom instalacijom, vec samo sa Internetom.

 

dobro, znam to.

problem je sto kada grom tresne blizu neminovno ces imati jake impulse koji ce spaliti chipove ako prodju kroz surge protector.

[Bambula]

1 hour ago, Moonwalker said:

@Bambula Varnicar - Odvodnik prenapona? 

 

Tebi je grom dosao preko antenskog kabla, a ne preko elektricne instalacije.  Ono nisu prekidaci vec prenaponska zastita 

 

Sad citam  What is not covered under the Equipment Protection Policy:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

What is not covered under the Equipment Protection Policy:

 

1.DAMAGE TO ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT RESULTING FROM TRANSIENTS ON DATA LINES IS NOT COVERED.

2.Restoration of lost data and reinstallation of software are not covered.

3.This policy does not cover damage from a cause other than AC power line transients, except for damage due to telephone line or CATV transients, which is covered only if the APC by Schneider Electric product offers such protection.

4.DAMAGE CAUSED BY FAILURE TO PROVIDE A SUITABLE INSTALLATION ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PRODUCT (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LACK OF A PROPER SAFETY GROUND).

5.Damage caused by the use of the APC by Schneider Electric product for purposes other than those for which it was designed.

6.Damage caused by accidents, or disasters such as fire, flood, or wind.

7.Damage caused by abuse, misuse, alternation, modification, or negligence.

8.This policy is null and void if, in SEIT’s view, the APC by Schneider Electric product has been tampered with or altered in any way.

9.EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN THIS POLICY, IN NO CASE SHALL SEIT BE LIABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS POLICY FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR MULTIPLE DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE APC BY SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC PRODUCT OR DAMAGE TO THE CONNECTED EQUIPMENT, REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH SUCH CLAIM IS BASED, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. SUCH DAMAGES INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, LOSS OF PROFITS, LOSS OF SAVINGS OR REVENUE, LOSS OF USE OF THE APC BY SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC PRODUCT OR THE CONNECTED EQUIPMENT OR ANY ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT, LOSS OF SOFTWARE, COST OF CAPITAL, COST OF ANY SUBSTITUTE EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES OR SERVICES, DOWNTIME, THE CLAIMS OF THIRD PARTIES, INCLUDING CUSTOMERS, AND INJURY TO PROPERTY

 

 

@radisa Ti bi prema ovome mozda imao i pravo na odstetu ako imas prikljuceno preko APC, a ne reaguje i ne sacuva ti hardver

Varničar je mala komponenta slična diodi.

 

Ja sam realno protivnik proudžnih kablova sa više priključnih mesta,pogotovo sad u eri modularne galanterije,ja sam kompletno prešao na modularni program i više nema potrebe za proudžnim kablovima.

 

Meni je grom jedino uništio onaj Airwick osveživač koji se bode u utičnicu,dezintegrisao se uz kombinaciju mirisa lavande i nagorele plastike.Ne računajući staru antenu koja je bila kao nišanski radar 

 

Ne znam kako sad funkcioniše sistem vodova sa pletenicama,dok je bila klasika 5 žica na svakoj 5 banderi je bila zaštita koja je vukla kad dodje do udara.

 

Doduše još jednom sam imao bliski susret sa udarom groma,na jednoj vežbi na Pešteru,kad je pogodio u "mečku" ali sve je odradjeno po PS-u tako da jedina posledica je bila zujanje u ušima 

[renne]

4 hours ago, slepa živana said:

na ovom zadnjem računu za struju naštampali su nam desetak saveta za štednju... uglavnom sve što i do sada već radimo, nego ima jedan, kaže kada niste u kući isključite televizor i kompjuter iz struje. šta to znači? koliko uopšte može da troše isključen televizor i isključen komp?

oko 15kwh godišnje

[Moonwalker]

Lightning protection standards - Electrical Installation Guide (electrical-installation.org)

 

Ima dosta toga ovde, istrolovala sam za medalju pa cu da stanem

 

@3opge

 

42 minutes ago, Bambula said:

Ja sam realno protivnik proudžnih kablova sa više priključnih mesta,pogotovo sad u eri modularne galanterije,ja sam kompletno prešao na modularni program i više nema potrebe za proudžnim kablovima.

 

Treba mi za pandemijsko radno mesto, kad saberes sve sto treba, racunar, dodatni monitor, dodatno osvetljenje. Druga takva tacka je TV polica gde su prikljucen TV, TV kutija i uredjaj za diskove.  

 

42 minutes ago, Bambula said:

Ne znam kako sad funkcioniše sistem vodova sa pletenicama,dok je bila klasika 5 žica na svakoj 5 banderi je bila zaštita koja je vukla kad dodje do udara.

 

 

Trebalo bi da postoji zastitno uze na vrhu stubova iznad dalekovodnih, plus one pocinkovane trake na stubovima sa uzemljenjem. 

 

42 minutes ago, Bambula said:

Meni je grom jedino uništio onaj Airwick osveživač koji se bode u utičnicu,dezintegrisao se uz kombinaciju mirisa lavande i nagorele plastike.Ne računajući staru antenu koja je bila kao nišanski radar 

 

Pa kod atmosferskog praznjenja ne bira samo munja  gde ce nego  i objekti sa zemlje salju varnice. Sto je elekricno polje oko objekta jace veca verovatnoca da ce da se varnica sa objekta na zemlji i onog iz atmosfere spoje i da dodje do praznjenja. Zato su gromobrani siljci i postavljaju se na najvisi objekat u nekoj sredini. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Moonwalker

[Bogotac]

Meni se ispostavilo da je stari zamrzivac pravio trecinu racuna za struju,kupio sam novi pre tri meseca i racuni su sa prosecnih 4000 pali na 2,700.

[renne]

Da, ti stari zamrzivači i frižideri bukvalno jedu struju

[gone fishing]

jedu ako su neispravni, pa se motor ne gasi, mogu da troši i do 5kw/dan ispravni troše 1,5 novi troše 0,8-1 kw dnevno

[renne]

pa teško da je nešto staro 20, 30 godina full sipravno, a toga po kućama ima brdo