Moracikus Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Sve mi izgleda da Fajzer i Moderna postaju najace svjetake sile. Bukvalno drze muda zapadnog svijeta u svojim rukama. Kad odrade zapad krecu i na ostatak. 3 Link to comment
pasha Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) A opet ima i ovako nesto, BioNTech and Pfizer trial data signal protection against South Africa variant https://www.ft.com/content/6c89adb8-2c1b-4eed-bbde-e7f53577e634 Inace je BioNTech je nemacka kompanija koju vodi nemacki Turcin a Brisel se bio odlucio da vise paznje posveti AZ iako je mislim tehnologija BioNTecha i Fajzera naprednija od AZ, Sputnjika i Sinofarma. I tako se Brisel nasao u problemu. Sada ocajncki pokusavaju da preusmere deo Fajzera u EU. Zanimljivo da je Srbija pratila stope SAD i Izraela i vise paznje posvetila Fajzeru, sto je na kraju dobro ispalo, barem za sada. Izrael se nakon vakcinacije mislim preko 80% populacije Fajzerom i prakticnim otvranjem nasao u sukobu sa Fajzerom zbog nekih para. Quote Pfizer halts corona vaccine shipments to Israel after country fails to pay Pfizer has halted shipments of coronavirus vaccines to Israel in outrage over the country failing to transfer payment for the last 2.5 million doses it supplied to the country, The Jerusalem Post has learned. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/banana-republic-pfizer-outraged-israel-failed-to-pay-for-covid-vaccines-664140 Edited April 15, 2021 by pasha 1 Link to comment
pasha Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Elem, The Pfizer BioNTech coronavirus vaccine produces as good results in the “real world” as have been previously documented in randomised trials. A case control study, which has been peer reviewed and published in the New England Journal of Medicine, compared 596 618 people who were newly vaccinated in Israel and matched them to unvaccinated controls.1 Two doses of the mRNA vaccine reduced symptomatic cases by 94%, hospitalisation by 87%, and severe covid-19 by 92%, according to the data from the Clalit Institute for Research which is Israel’s biggest healthcare provider. The study also suggests the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine is effective against the B.1.1.7 variant which was first identified in the UK. During the study period, an increasing share of SARS-CoV-2 isolates in Israel—up to 80%—were of this variant. The data, however, provide no information about the effectiveness of the vaccine against the South African variant, B.1.351, as this was estimated to be rare in Israel at the time of the study. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567 Link to comment
vememah Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Rusi se preganjaju sa FT-om oko toga što je ovaj objavio da EMA proverava dobru kliničku praksu pošto je moguće da ispitivanje Sputnjika V nije bilo etički prihvatljivo jer u njemu nisu učestvovali samo dobrovoljci. Link to comment
vememah Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Burla iz Fajzera je rekao: "verovatno će biti potrebna 3. doza negde između 6 i 12 meseci, a zatim jednom godišnje". (na 13:38) Link to comment
vememah Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) Quote The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has identified a small cohort of approximately 5,800 cases of Covid-19 infection among more than 66 million Americans who have completed a full course of vaccination. These so-called breakthrough cases, which are defined as positive Covid-19 test results received at least two weeks after patients receive their final vaccine dose, represent 0.008% of the fully vaccinated population. ... “The experience so far is that the vaccine remains highly effective and those who did have breakthrough infections have had very mild and manageable illnesses,” said Dr. Hirschwerk, who has treated at least one patient who fell ill with Covid-19 after being vaccinated. “This is really what we see each season with the influenza vaccine.” Of the breakthrough cases identified by the CDC, more than 40% occurred in people older than 60, while 65% of the cases were in female patients, according to Tom Clark, leader of the vaccine evaluation team at the federal agency. The CDC found that 29% of breakthrough infections were asymptomatic and 7% of patients experiencing a breakthrough infection were hospitalized. So far, 74 people have died after experiencing breakthrough infections. The agency is expected to publish some of these findings next week. https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-identifies-small-group-of-covid-19-infections-among-fully-vaccinated-patients-11618490232?mod=hp_lead_pos7 Edited April 15, 2021 by vememah 3 Link to comment
namenski Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Ako se sada ne iskoristi prilika da se velikim farmaceutskim firmama jebe mater nabije brnjica - nikad nece. A cena ce - ako se to ne uradi - u sledecoj, dalekobilo, prilici da bude jos veca. I to ne u parama. 3 Link to comment
gospa buba Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) ona pala u nesvest? pametnome dosta? Edited April 15, 2021 by gospa buba Link to comment
Tresko Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 7 hours ago, pasha said: Konkretno je pircao i mogucoj trecoj dozi kao borbi protiv mutacija: Do sada se Fajzer pokazao dobrim protiv raznih mutacija ali u Izraelu su radili ispitivanja na juznoafricku mutaciju i moguce da tu Fajzer ima problem. To su neka pocetna ispitivanja, nije konacno. I tacno je da se Fazjer do sada pokazao prilicno dobrim, preko 90% zastita. Ali nazalost virus mutira. Inace ce ovo vaziti za sve vakcine ali mislim da ako tako bude vise ici na ranjive grupe kao kod gripa, videcemo. Za godinu dana ko ziv, ko mrtva...malo crnog humora. Kako su se pokazali na fizio mutaciji. Ta zaražava 5 dana posle vakcine Link to comment
Moracikus Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 7 hours ago, namenski said: Ako se sada ne iskoristi prilika da se velikim farmaceutskim firmama jebe mater nabije brnjica - nikad nece. A cena ce - ako se to ne uradi - u sledecoj, dalekobilo, prilici da bude jos veca. I to ne u parama. Sa jedne strane to je tacno dok sa druge ovakav stav moze biti dugorocno izuzetno stetan. Zelja za profitom je bila glavna pokretacka snaga cijelog mRNA projekta. Oduzmes li im to, znatno smanjujes mogucnost da se opet pojavi nesto ovako revolucionarno u medicini. Dok je Oksford sa druge strane totalno razocarenje upravo zbog odricanja u startu od profita. Zbog toga su i zbrljali istrazivanja jer nije bilo silnih miliona koji ih cekaju na kraju. Vakcine nisu profitabilne kao ljekovi ali ako imas monopol i zagarantovano da u narednih 5 god prodas 50bn doza onda je to vec druga prica. Upravo sada to i rade. Vektorske vakcine vise nemaju prodju na zapadu i sljedeca na redu za odstrijel je Novavax. Imam neki los osjecaj da ce dozivjeti sudbinu AZ i JnJ Link to comment
Caligula Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) Sada citam svez clanak o AZ, incidenca stvaranja ugrusaka je 1:100 000 dakle ipak 10 u milion, govore o hospitalizovanima, broj umrlih nije stavljen) Takodje, efikasnost ne mnogo manja od RNK vakcina. Kod mladjih nesto niza nego kod starijih kada su mutacije u pitanju. Hospitalizacija i smrtni ishod drasticno smanjeni kao mogucnost (u odnosu na nevakcinisane) Sve u svemu, ja miran. Edited April 16, 2021 by Caligula 3 Link to comment
namenski Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Moracikus said: Sa jedne strane to je tacno dok sa druge ovakav stav moze biti dugorocno izuzetno stetan. Zelja za profitom je bila glavna pokretacka snaga cijelog mRNA projekta. Oduzmes li im to, znatno smanjujes mogucnost da se opet pojavi nesto ovako revolucionarno u medicini. Dok je Oksford sa druge strane totalno razocarenje upravo zbog odricanja u startu od profita. Zbog toga su i zbrljali istrazivanja jer nije bilo silnih miliona koji ih cekaju na kraju. Vakcine nisu profitabilne kao ljekovi ali ako imas monopol i zagarantovano da u narednih 5 god prodas 50bn doza onda je to vec druga prica. Upravo sada to i rade. Vektorske vakcine vise nemaju prodju na zapadu i sljedeca na redu za odstrijel je Novavax. Imam neki los osjecaj da ce dozivjeti sudbinu AZ i JnJ Verovatno si u pravu, ali mozda ovo sa koronom treba shvatiti kao recimo 3. mozda cak i 4. licnu: ono sto nas kao sortu ceka i sto je u nekim desavanjima vec zapocelo pa i poodmaklo tesko ce, ako uopste, moci da rese ne samo pojedinacne kompanije, ma koliko im inspirativnatm bila zelja za profitom, nego - bojim se - ni pojedinacne u smislu svaka za sebe drzave. I najrazvijeniji su koronu pregurali - ako uopste jesu - na misice, demonstrirajuci pri tom zavidan stepen neefikasnosti, da ne kazem idiotizma, sveti egoizam na stranu, njega cemo tek da se nagledamo: bice da sledeci - nedajboze - put nece ili ce tesko da pomognu silni milioni na kraju tunela. Ako ih uopste bude. A mozda najgore od svega je sto zelja za profitom kao ugradjeni sistemski motor uopste ne fercera kada nastupi istinski stani-pani: nema, niti je ikad bilo niti ce ikad biti kompanije sposobne da upregne sve sto se upregnuti da ne bi li se iz problema izaslo sa glavom na ramenima. I - to je ponajmanje do nauke. Uostalom, videcemo, ako ne mi, onda naslednici i to poprilicno nedaleki, obaska sto im se bas i ne ostavlja neko narocito nasledje. 1 Link to comment
Braća Strugacki Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 da su radili na mrna na vreme, danas rak ne bi bio problem 4 Link to comment
dùda Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Braća Strugacki said: da su radili na mrna na vreme, danas rak ne bi bio problem eh, ali koliko se inkasira od citostatika i ostale hemije a da ima empatije na ovom svetu, tu bi do sada bile uložene mililjarde i rezultata bi sigurno bilo, to bi bio najhumaniji korak koji se može zamisliti ne toliko zbgo toga koliko (i koliko mladi ) ljudi umire, koliko zbog toka te bolesti i zbog stravičnog načina na koji ljudi odlaze sa ovog sveta 4 Link to comment
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