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[MancMellow]

Pored živog Vučića? Teško.

[Desmond Bojčinski]

Taj ne moze na kraj da izadje sa unutarstranackim lokalnim partijskim finansijerima gladnih uticaja i novca, da ne pominjem nesto krupnije.

[MancMellow]

Uvek mogu da donesu makete  ^_^

[Prospero]

Što bi rekao Milić Vukašinović novinaru - piši šta hoćeš samo stavi dobru sliku!

[Desmond Bojčinski]

Htedoh da kažem, i da su doneli nešto slično,(sebi, ne nama) i da on to zna, opet ne bi znao šta da radi. Dok si rekao kabaščok ode veto iz SBUN a dva sata kasnije stižu Kosovo za patike v2 na ulice Bg.

[MancMellow]

I ode NIS i bilo kakav uticaj u Srbiji. (A postoji i Tajvan...)

 

A i dobar deo istog, ali američkog na Kosovou.

 

Ta igra se drugačije igra

Edited August 18, 2016 by MancMellow

[Desmond Bojčinski]

I da nacionalizujemo nis napraviće da bude skuplja dara nego mera, par elemenata koji će da vode protest na paljenje ambasada će biti sasvim dovoljno. Nemam pojma kako je Tajvan uključen u računicu, kao ni Ameri na Kosovu.

 

 

U svakom slučaju siguran sam da je mnogo komplikovanije kao i da bilo koja kombinacija neće biti dobra po nas. Kad sediš na dve stolice oće nekad jaja da se učepe.

[MancMellow]

To se već slažem. 

[bigvlada]

Dobro je da su se setili da ih pomere, poslednje što ovoj planeti treba je da brine da li će se islamisti dokopati neke. 

 

Topolj M i Niš.  

 

Svakog ko zastupa takvu ideju treba poslati na dvosatni izlet u ovu pitoresknu idilu.

 

[Gricko]

 

US moves nuclear weapons from Turkey to Romania

Home | Global Europe | News

 

By Georgi Gotev, Joel Schalit | EurActiv.com

7:05 (updated: 10:25)

 

US nuclear weapons are stationed throughout Europe.

[Amanda Slater/Flickr]

 

 

EXCLUSIVE/ Two independent sources told EurActiv.com that the US has started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara .

According to one of the sources, the transfer has been very challenging in technical and political terms.

“It’s not easy to move 20+ nukes,” said the source, on conditions of anonymity.

According to a recent report by the Simson Center, since the Cold War, some 50 US tactical nuclear weapons have been stationed at Turkey’s Incirlik air base, approximately 100 kilometres from the Syrian border.

During the failed coup in Turkey in July, Incirlik’s power was cut, and the Turkish government prohibited US aircraft from flying in or out. Eventually, the base commander was arrested and implicated in the coup. Whether the US could have maintained control of the weapons in the event of a protracted civil conflict in Turkey is an unanswerable question, the report says.

Another source told EurActiv.com that the US-Turkey relations had deteriorated so much following the coup that Washington no longer trusted Ankara to host the weapons. The American weapons are being moved to the Deveselu air base in Romania, the source said. Deveselu, near the city of Caracal, is the new home of the US missile shield, which has infuriated Russia.

 

Romania was an ally of the Soviet Union during the Cold War, but it never hosted nuclear weapons during that period. Stationing tactical US nuclear weapons close to Russia’s borders is likely to infuriate Russia and lead to an escalation. The stationing of Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 was the closest the Cold War came to escalating into a full-scale nuclear war.

EurActiv has asked the US State Department, and the Turkish and the Romanian foreign ministries, to comment. American and Turkish officials both promised to answer. After several hours, the State Department said the issue should be referred to the Department of Defense. EurActiv will publish the DoD reaction as soon as it is received.

In the meantime, NATO sent EurActiv a diplomatically worded comment which implies that allies must make sure that US nuclear weapons deployed in Europe remain “safe”.

“On your question, please check the Communiqué of the NATO Warsaw Summit (published on 9 July 2016), paragraph 53: “NATO’s nuclear deterrence posture also relies, in part, on United States’ nuclear weapons forward-deployed in Europe and on capabilities and infrastructure provided by Allies concerned. These Allies will ensure that all components of NATO’s nuclear deterrent remain safe, secure, and effective,” a NATO spokesperson wrote to EurActiv.

The NATO summit took place a few days before the failed coup in Turkey. At that time, the risks for the US nukes in Incirlik were related to the proximity of the war in Syria and the multiple terrorist attacks that have taken place in Turkey in recent months. For some of the attacks, Ankara blamed Islamic State, and for others the PKK, the Kurdish military organisation that appears on the EU and US terrorist lists.

Strong denial by Romania

The Romanian foreign ministry strongly denied the information that the country has become home of US nukes. “In response to your request, Romanian MFA firmly dismisses the information you referred to,”  a spokesperson wrote.

According to practice dating from the Cold War, leaked information regarding the presence of US nuclear weapons on European soil has never been officially confirmed. It is, however, public knowledge that Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Italy host US nuclear weapons.

After the failed putsch, relations between Washington and Ankara are at their worst since Turkey joined NATO in 1952. Ankara believes the US government supports the Turkish US-exiled cleric Fethullah Gülen, whom it accuses of having masterminded the failed coup. Turkey is demanding Gülen’s extradition, and the issue is expected to take center stage when US Vice President Joe Biden visits Turkey on 24 August.

Arthur H. Hughes, a retired US ambassador, wrote in EurActiv yesterday (17 August) that Gülen has indeed received considerable assistance from the CIA.

 

Russia has capitalised on the stained US-Turkey relations and there are fears in Western capitals that NATO-member Turkey could draw even closer to Moscow – with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan bluntly making it clear he feels let down by the United States and the European Union.

 

 

 

Inače, baza u Deveselu je sveža US "investicija" u Rumuniji. Nedavno privedena svrsi. Naravno, gradili je Rusi početkom 50ih.

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milit%C3%A4rflugplatz_Deveselu

[namenski]

;)

 

Inače, baza u Deveselu je sveža US "investicija" u Rumuniji. Nedavno privedena svrsi. Naravno, gradili je Rusi početkom 50ih.

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militärflugplatz_Deveselu

  

  Eto srece, eto radosti, eto Exoatmosperic Warrior-sa u komsiluku, sad smo pod stitom pa da ja jebes, obaska sto izgleda kao skoro pa brod, doduse ne bas brod, vise deo broda i ne bas svemirski nego onaj morski, a sve to jos u sred jednog od bivsih vlaskih imanja Kodza Milosa…Deveselu, Rumunija, otprilike na pola puta izmedju Bukuresta i Krajove.Americka mornarica ima sada pravu pravcati pomorsku bazu, prvu izvan SAD posle mnogo godina, Aegis Ashore Missile Defense System, AAMDS, kopnena komponenta Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense sistema, deo European Phased Adaptive Approach, EPAA, zamisljenog kao suprotstavljanje odgovarajucoj pretnji koja bi dolazila van Evrope.A u Evropu.Aegis Ashore, kako mu je skraceni naziv, nick takoreci, sastoji se iz mornarickog SPY-1 radara, Mk41 Vertical Launch System naprave i pripadajuce zbirke komandne, kontrolne i komunikacione opreme. Za sada moze da puca raketama oznacavanim kao Standard Missile-3 Block IA i Block IB, a od pocetka 2018. bogami i sa Standard Missile-3 Block IIA.Pomenute 2018. godine proradice i druga istocnoevropska mornaricka pomorska raketna baza u mestu Radzikovo, Poljska, skoro pa na obali Baltickog mora.Obe se vode kao Naval Support Facility, obe su podignute na aerodromima koji su pripadali sovjetskoj infrasrukturi, mada za sovjetskog vakta ni Rumunija ni Poljska nisu imali zive vojne Sovjete na svojoj teritoriji, ali vremena se menjaju, a valjda i kriterijumi s njima).Baza Militara 99 Deveselu, od proslog decembra NSF Deveselu, je pod operativnom komandom komandanta 6. flote i po recima viceadmirala po imenu James D. Syring, inace direktora Missile Defense Agency, MDA, sada je operativna, u funkciji sto bi se reklo.Ostaje da se radi, kazu, na vezbanju i jos malo proveravanja, zajedno sa uklapanjem u pocetke NATO Ballistic Missile Defense, BMD, arhitekturu sistema, taj rad…Jedan drugi viceadmiral, James G. Foggo, komandant 6. flote, nada se da ce to da ide bez problema, a obavezni americki ambasador, u ovom slucaju neki Hans Klemm je na ceremoniji otvaranja podvukao da svi cuju da cela stvar ima samo i jedino veze sa pretnjom koja bi dosla od nekud izvan Evrope i da Rusija treba, mora da zna, da to sa njom ama bas nikakve veze nema.I da je to Rusima objasnjavano i objasnjava se onoliko puta: sistem nema mogucnosti da ugrozi Rusiju, a oni ako hoce mogu i da se pridruze, ne bi smo li zajedno – pa je skovana i nova fraza - ensure the safety of all our citizens from ballistic missiles originating from outside the Euro-Atlantic sphere.Jebes pregovore i sporazum sa Iranom, oni ipak brzo razvijaju svoje projektile kratkog i srednjeg dometa, mada im nesto skripi sa interkontinentalnim…Interesantno je da celo postrojenje lici, skoro je identicno nadgradju Arleigh Burke klase raketnih razaraca, bas kao da je s broda skinuto i posadjeno na sred Vlaske nizije: prvo, probno, podignuto je negde u Nju Dzersiju, posle probanja demontirano i prevezeno u Rumuniju, sve u svemu nekih cca 1,000 tona uglavnom celika, dovezenih na lice mesta u oko 160 40” kontejnera.  I tako, pomenuti European Phased Adaptive Approach, EPPA, bice americki doprinos NATO naporima da se Evropa zastiti od raketne pretnje, a sve u svrhu zastite od sve izglednijeg ugrozavanja negde sa podrucja Bliskog Istoka: obuhvata takozvani Transportable Radar Surveillance System u Turskoj, komandno mesto u bazi Ramstein u kojoj je smesten 603rd Air and Space Operation Center dok ce s juga podrsku celoj zamisli da pruzaju prikladno opremljeni razaraci bazirani u Roti, Spanija.Sam Aegis sistem je dete 70-ih, do sada je naravno usavrsavan i nadogradjivan: prvobitna namena mu je inace bila da zastiti od raketa brod ili borbenu grupu.Kad je postao Aegis Ashore, kopneni Aegis, radice 24 sata, 7 dana u nedelji, 365 dana u godini, kako danju tako i nocu, a prisutni predstavnik Raytheon-a, inace proizvodjaca, ponovio je obecanje da ce sve da bude u najboljem redu.Ostalo je prigodno: osoblje ce imati prilke da uziva u lepotama i gostoprimstvu Rumunije i Rumuna, vec su bili na skijanju na Karpatima, sredice okolne neuredjene i blatnjave puteve, interaktovace se kulturno i sire sa domorocima koji su, inace, odusevljeni i ponosni, provereno.Sa rumunske strane su svecanom otvaranju prisustvovali predstavnici nadleznog ministarstva, ali i cuvene rumunske mornarice, predstavnici lokalne uprave i samouprave koji su se na licu mesta upoznali sa prisutnih americkih 20-ak mornara, podoficira i oficira koji sacinjavaju prvu smenu prisutnih Amerikanaca.Osoblje je inece smesteno u cetvorospratnici koja je sastavni deo kompleksa, smenjivace se svakih 6 meseci, mada ce ih u pocetku biti i nesto vise, buduci da ce se novo postrojenje koristiti i za obuku timova koji se pripremaju za buduca postrojenja…I tako, svi su bili srecni i veseli, optimisticki raspolozeni, pljustale su izjave u stilu ‘sta god da se pojavi na nasim ekranima, nece proci…’, dok je predstavnik rumunske strane, inace komandant 99. baze, pukovnik Razvan Bratulescu, sve ocenio i ‘…kao priliku da, pored ostalog, ucimo jedni od drugih, usavrsavamo se, i – a sta bi drugo u ovom svetu punom razumevanja – razumemo slicnosti i razlike izmedju nasih kultura…’ Evo tu skoro, 4. marta, doprinos rumunske akademske zajednice u liku Dr. Uliana Gancea, profesorke na Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center, koja mornare upoznaje sa geografijom i lepotama Rumunije, ali i kulturnim razlikama....Pomenuti centar je inace u Ameriki, a slikano predavanje je deo obuke sledece grupe koja se priprema za put u Rumuniju.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCt6fq7cvSY

[Gricko]

Hvala Namenski na podacima. Ovo će tek biti tema. To je 200km od Zaječara i Negotina.

 

Edited August 19, 2016 by Gricko

[Hella]

kakve veze ima 20 ili 200 ili 2000 km

[Gricko]

Pa nema veze što se tiče dometa raketa. Ali ima veze sa geopolitičkom pozicijom Srbije, jer teško je zamisliti da će Amerikanci tolerisati neko jače pozicioniranje Rusa u Nišu, takoreći u dvorištu svoje baze.

[Prospero]

Pa "baza u Nisu" je pod ministarstvom za vanredne situacije a ne minodbrane.

 

Jedino da protivpozarnim helikopterima zalivaju Deveselu vodom :D