MancMellow Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Mogu Nemci da namaknu lovu nekako ali meni je interesantnije da Ameri u njih imaju poverenja kada je u pitanju vojni uticaj. OK je to što je njima sve skuplje i neodrživije da drže svoju vojsku po celom svetu i hteli bi pouzdane partnere da to rade u njihovo ime ali problem je u tome što ozbiljne zemlje ili ne žele da budu njihove udarne pesnice ili imaju neke sopstvene planove za čije ostvarenje u početku dobro dođe foliranje da rade zajedno sa SAD. Ali dobro, samo neka oni puste Nemačku da se još jednom dobro naoruža. Barem neće biti dosadno. Ma...oni njih, kao sto svi znamo, kontrolisu i spijuniraju sve u 16. Ali nemaju izbora, bar na kratak do srednji rok. Italijani su slabi, Francuska...sta njih briga za neki Baltik ili Ukrajinu (pa i za Balkan je pitanje). Svi ostali su smesni.
Tribun_Populi Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Francuska...sta njih briga za neki Baltik ili Ukrajinu (pa i za Balkan je pitanje). Svi ostali su smesni. Francuska je njima nepouzdan partner, jer večito prkosi i gura svoju neku agendu. Nikad oni s Francuzima neće hteti, njih ne mogu da kontrolišu niti će moći (ma koliko UMP/LeR bili servilna goveda) dokle god im je veta u SB UN i force de dissuasion treća u svetu. Nemci su tu trenutno idealni. Oni odavno imaju ambiciju da se dokopaju tog veta, do sada im nije polazilo za rukom jer su kočili svi, videćemo šta će sad izboksovati na kontu nove uloge u ojropi.
Eraserhead Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Sadašnji gospodar Kremlja je 7 godina bio vrhunski partner sa kojim je svaki dil bio moguć i svaki dil bio rađen. Sad Evropa treba da ga percipira kao satanu sa kojom se samo preko nišana može razgovarati (prvi biser) i to ne zbog Nemačke, ne zbog Poljske, ne zbog nekog istinski bitnog evropskog faktora, nego zbog faking Gruzije i Ukrajine (drugi i 3x veći biser). Ni Gruziju ni Ukrajinu niko nema pravo da terorise bez obzira sto nisu u EU. Putinu su i Evropa i Amerika pruzile ruku partnerstva i bile partner ali izgleda da su carske ambicije jace. Wouldn't count on that. Rekoh ti jos onomad. Vece su sanse da se EU raspadne nego NATO. Edited July 14, 2016 by Eraserhead
namenski Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Pa ono cinjenica da je ovo Nemackoj sad ili nikad. Ako sad zajebu - zajebali su. Treci put bog pomaze
Lord Protector Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Ni Gruziju ni Ukrajinu niko nema pravo da terorise bez obzira sto nisu u EU. Putinu su i Evropa i Amerika pruzile ruku partnerstva i bile partner ali izgleda da su carske ambicije jace. Rekoh ti jos onomad. Vece su sanse da se EU raspadne nego NATO. Situacija u Gruziji i Ukrajini je posledica loših odnosa Amerike i Rusije a ne uzrok. Brkaš uzrok i posledicu. Edited July 14, 2016 by slow
Tribun_Populi Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Rekoh ti jos onomad. Vece su sanse da se EU raspadne nego NATO. Wouldn't count on that neither. U stvari možda, na WEU i Višegracku udarnu pesnicu NATA, njima se baš onako vidi da su jučerašnji. Ovi iz WEU su već kretali u pohode tog tipa, da bi se otud ubrzo vratili. Očigledno nisu budale da istu školu dva puta plaćaju, a tako su se do sada i ponašali.
Prospero Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 July 13, 2016 6:57 pm Germany calls for more joint European military initiatives By Stefan Wagstyl in Berlin The Brexit vote gives the rest of the EU a chance to increase security and foreign policy co-operation without the risk of London blocking proposals, the German defence minister has said in a plea for more joint European military initiatives. Ursula von der Leyen’s appeal is the latest call from EU politicians to move on from the UK’s planned departure, and to find ways to strengthen the bloc and rally public support. The UK had “paralysed” European efforts to integrate security policy and “consistently blocked everything with the label ‘Europe’ on it,” Ms von der Leyen said on Wednesday, as she launched Germany’s defence white paper. “Europeans are right to expect that the EU tackles the big questions,” she said, adding that after the UK’s departure “we now have that opportunity”. The paper calls for “permanent structured co-operation in the defence sector”, which is allowed under the EU’s 2007 Lisbon treaty but has so far not been effectively implemented, partly because of British opposition. The report, approved by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government, also urges steps that could eventually lead to the creation of an EU army, such as the integration of military capabilities and defence industries. “We are aiming to establish a permanent [European] civil-military operational headquarters in the medium term,” it says. However, objections to such developments have not only come from London — few EU countries have followed up on promises over military co-operation with action. Formal military co-operation in western Europe dates back to the formation of the Western European Union (WEU) in 1954, which predates the EU by three years. However, joint military activities were limited before the WEU was wound up in 2011. Military co-operation focused on the much larger Nato alliance, where such ventures were built around the huge capacities of the US and its willingness to protect Europe. With the US urging European countries to take on a bigger share of the defence burden, EU-based co-operation is gathering support. As a practical step, Ms von der Leyen’s paper suggests that citizens of other EU countries could in future join the German army, which has struggled to find enough recruits since conscription ended five years ago. The report, the first strategic review in a decade, takes full account of Germany’s growing role in global security, including its missions to Afghanistan, the Middle East and Africa. It builds on pledges made by Ms von der Leyen and other ministers to increase Germany’s commitments, including defence spending, which is planned to rise from €34bn in 2015 to €39.2bn in 2020. The German defence budget’s share of gross domestic product is currently 1.2 per cent, well below the 2 per cent Nato target. “Germany is a globally highly connected country that — due to its economic, political and military weight, but also in view of its own vulnerability — has a responsibility to actively help shape the world order,” the paper says.
x500 Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) OTAN snage planiraju da povuku svoje nuklearne bombe iz Turske. Taman je zakrpljena rupa na demokratskom severo-istoku Evrope, sada se otvara rupa na pro-zapadnom juznom krilu. Edited July 18, 2016 by x500
Pečorin Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 koja bi fora bila da sultan uleti i konfiskuje™ bombice
Desmond Bojčinski Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Grci bi digli kredit i kupili, dal od Rusa dal od koga drugog još toliko. Da se nađe
Roger Sanchez Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Trebalo bi tu sad iskucati još par stranica schadenfreude špekulacija na temelju te bezizvorne patke vijesti™.
x500 Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Trebalo bi tu sad iskucati još par stranica schadenfreude špekulacija na temelju te bezizvorne patke vijesti™. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/17/turkey-coup-attempt-raises-fears-over-safety-of-us-nuclear-stockpile
Roger Sanchez Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/17/turkey-coup-attempt-raises-fears-over-safety-of-us-nuclear-stockpile ..u čemu naravno nema ni jedne jedine jedincate riječi o tome da OTAN SNAGE nešto planiraju.
hazard Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Inace taj kredit izgleda da otkazujemo, ako su tacni izvestaji izgleda da ipak ne http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=15&nav_id=1155385 Ruski kredit na delu: 40 km nove pruge za 200 na h Beograd -- Srpske železnice potpisale su sa kompanijom Ruskih železnica RŽD internešnel aneks ugovora o ruskom kreditu za gradnju pruge Stara Pazova - Novi Sad. Dužina pruge je 40 kilometara, vrednost radova je 338 miliona dolara, a planirana je modernizacija postojećeg i izgradnja drugog koloseka. To je poslednja deonica za koju nije bio potpisan aneks ugovora o finansiranju sredstvima ruskog kredita, čija je ukupna vrednost 800 miliona dolara. Deonica Stara Pazova - Novi Sad je deo pruge Beograd - Budimpešta na kojoj će putnički vozovi dostizati 200 km na sat. Planira se da će radovi početi u prvom kvartalu 2017. godine. Ukupna vrednost sporazuma je veća od 338 miliona dolara, od kojih više od 258 miliona iznosi vrednost za izgradnju tunela i vijadukta. Ovih 338 miliona + ono sto je vec uzeto za prugu BG - Pancevo i za vozove je dakle vec vise od pola ukupne sume od 800 miliona.
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