Biden / Trump - Americki izbori 2020

[Budja]

3 hours ago, cedo said:

To se desava svuda u svetu i samo se sada videlo koliko je demokratija krhka, kada je to moguce i u americi.

Zasto  postene patriote, zabrinute za zemlju u americi nazivati "miliona onih u američkom društvu koji odavno nemaju pristup elitama koje se o svemu pitaju" a u srbiji i makedoniji npr. su to obicni sovinisti. Zar takvih miliona nema i na drugoj strani, pa ne uvrcu sebi u glavu da su bogom dani da njihova bude preca.

 

Naravno da ih ima, i naravno da i oni vide nasilje kao jedinu sansu.

U Sijetlu je u onom hipi-kampu bilo naislja, a i naouraznih. Setale su se i neke crne naourzane milicije letos.

 

Sta im je zajednicno?

Revolucija.

 

I jedni i drugi su obespravljeni. To je video Sanders i pokusao klasnom pricom da premosti jaz, ali nije uspeo. Korporacije i mediji su ga zatrpali identitetskom ujdurmom koja jaz povecava  a ne smanjuje ga. Pri tome mislim na crno radikalizovano stanovnistvo, ne na belo stanovnistvo i njihovo tviter zamorno virtue signalling.

[JozoMujica]

Čekaj, ovde se ozbiljno piše o "Aleksi Đuriću" i još se licitira kako će da prođe ako je postavio bombu?

 

[namenski]

1 minute ago, Gandalf said:

tiranija je stalna i uvek prisutna pretnja, jer su ljudi kvarljiva roba i lako padaju pod uticaj ludaka i vizionara.

 

Aman bre, prestani da me gadjas mudrim izrekama da ne kazem frazama: ovde se radi o tome kako je jedno drustvo, dojucerasnji etalon demokratije sa svim njenim manama i vrlinama uopste doslo u situaciju, opasnost da mu zapreti tiranija, a da pri tom mehanizmi samoodbrane, institucije, procedura, omanjuju jedan za drugim...

Ne znam, doduse, u koju sortu ubrajas Trampa, dal' u ludake, dal' u vizionare, tek nece biti da i jedni i drugi padaju s Marsa, da nisu odraz, proizvod, simptom stanja u drustvu...

[Budja]

2 hours ago, harper said:

 

Kao sala je dobro ali realnost je da kakvu su "demokratiju" izvozili s takvom se sada i suocavaju. Ono sto je zabrinjavajuce je to sto blueprint svake unutrasnje politicke krize sadrzi skretanje paznje na spoljnju politiku, tako da nisam preveliki optimista kad je u pitanju, recimo, Bliski Istok.

 

Hm,  s obzirom da je Viki Nuland postala ponovo faktor u State Department-u, bice to Belorusija.

 

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current nominee to be Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs

 

[3opge]

5 minutes ago, JozoMujica said:

Čekaj, ovde se ozbiljno piše o "Aleksi Đuriću" i još se licitira kako će da prođe ako je postavio bombu?

 

 

daj reci ko je kad si bolje obavesten.

Aleksa ili ne, vezbace on umetnicko ispustanje sapuna.

Edited January 7, 2021 by 3opge

[Hamlet Strašni]

Just now, 3opge said:

 

daj reci ko je kad si bolje obavesten.

Alkesa ili ne, vezbace on umetnicko ispustanje sapuna.

Силоваће га у затвору, то кажеш?

[JozoMujica]

1 minute ago, 3opge said:

 

daj reci ko je kad si bolje obavesten.

Aleksa ili ne, vezbace on umetnicko ispustanje sapuna.

Drugar Stefana Panajotisa, samo Stefan nije mogao da učestvuje na protestima jer je umro peti put pre mesec dana.

 

Daj, ozbiljno, pa to je zezanje na temu nekog lika koji "učestvuje" u svim ratovima na kugli zemaljskoj već 20 godina. 😁

[harper]

5 minutes ago, Budja said:

 

Hm,  s obzirom da je Viki Nuland postala ponovo faktor u State Department-u, bice to Belorusija.

 

 

 

I meni je Ukrajina pala na pamet ali mislim da u tom delu sveta ne postoji kapacitet za vise od proxy ratova. Iran, on the other hand, sve vise postaje ozbiljan kandidat da najebe.

[Weenie Pooh]

Edited January 7, 2021 by Weenie Pooh

[Gandalf]

29 minutes ago, Budja said:

I jedni i drugi su obespravljeni. To je video Sanders i pokusao klasnom pricom da premosti jaz, ali nije uspeo.

obespravljeni jer im je ugrožen relativni položaj u društvu. 

 

sa svinjine strane, pun đavo ljudi koji sebe smatraju autentičnima. kojima je ljuti neprijatelj imigrant koji je otvorio prodavnicu na ćošku, i koji sasvim nezasluženo ima više para nego oni. sa Sandersove strane, pun đavo srednjeklasnih koji su se zahebali kada su završili nekakav liberalni koledž ili čak magistrirali. hiperprodukcija takvih je dovela do toga da će teško naći stabilan i dobro plaćen posao neko ko je magistrirao mongolsku 19ovekovnu poeziju. 

 

u oba slučaja, relativan položaj u društvu će im biti znatno gori nego roditeljima. možda su u apsolutnom smislu za korak ispred roditelja, ali to je manje bitno. zato Trampare, QAnon... mogu sebi priuštiti avionske karte i par dana zezanja u DC.

 

uz ogradu da je ovakva reakcija delom i razumljiva, ljudima je pre 15 ili 20 zaista obećavan lagodan i fin život. pa su ih elite u tom pogledu zaista i zahebale. 

 

 

edit: AfroAmeri, domoroci (aka "Indijanci"), sirotinja, beskućnici... koji jesu u qrcu i predstavljaju diskriminisani sloj društva, nisu revolucionarni materijal. naprotiv.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Gandalf

[Gandalf]

19 minutes ago, namenski said:

mehanizmi samoodbrane, institucije, procedura, omanjuju jedan za drugim...

 

Pence declares Biden winner of the presidential election after Congress finally counts electoral votes

[Budja]

Inace, drustvenu krizu dobro prepoznaju vodeci mainstream ekonomisti, ali niko ih ozbiljno ne slusa:

1. Crony kapitalizam, lobiranje, captured state i nedostatk koknurencije u savremenom americkom kapitalizmu. (Zingales)

2. Dzepovi ocajanja i smrti  u americkoj beloj radnickoj klasi usled gubitka posla i identiteta.   (Deaton)

3. Automatizacija, big tech, i gubitak poslova (Acemoglu)

 

Luigi Zingales (Cikago):

 

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Luigi Zingales (Italian pronunciation: [luˈiːdʒi ddziŋˈɡaːles]; born 8th February 1963 in Padua, Italy) is a finance professor at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business and the author of two widely-reviewed books. His book Saving Capitalism from the Capitalists (2003) is a study of "relationship capitalism".^[2] In A Capitalism for the People: Recapturing the Lost Genius of American Prosperity (2012), Zingales "suggests that channeling populist anger can reinvigorate the power of competition and reverse the movement toward a 'crony system'."

 

Angus Deaton (Princeto, Nobel)

 

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In 2015, Anne Case and Angus Deaton published the paper "Rising morbidity and mortality in midlife among white non-Hispanic Americans in the 21st century" in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In the article, Case and Deaton highlight the rising all-cause mortality rate among middle-aged white non-Hispanic Americans in the past decade, a recent trend that was unique among "rich" countries.^[15] Case and Deaton found that the rising mortality rates were only occurring for white non-Hispanics and that less-educated white non-Hispanics were at the greatest risk. Further, they discovered that the increasing mortality rates among white non-Hispanics could be classified as "deaths of despair", most notably drug and alcohol poisonings, suicide, and chronic liver diseases and cirrhosis."^[15] Finally, they noted that rising mortality rates were accompanied by rising morbidity rates, particularly "[s]elf-reported declines in health, mental health, and ability to conduct activities of daily living, and increases in chronic pain and inability to work".^[15] To explain their findings, Case and Deaton point to the rising availability and abuse of opioids:

The increased availability of opioid prescriptions for pain that began in the late 1990s has been widely noted, as has the associated mortality. The CDC estimates that for each prescription painkiller death in 2008, there were 10 treatment admissions for abuse, 32 emergency department visits for misuse or abuse, 130 people who were abusers or dependent, and 825 nonmedical users  ... [A]ddictions are hard to treat and pain is hard to control, so those currently in midlife may be a "lost generation" whose future is less bright than those who preceded them.^[15]

As a follow-up to their previous work, Case and Deaton received funding from the National Institute on Aging through the National Bureau of Economic Research to release a larger study that was published in 2017 entitled Mortality and Morbidity in the 21st Century.^[16][17][18] In extending their research, they found that the mortality rates for educated white non-Hispanics have begun to decrease again, although the rates for uneducated white non-Hispanics have continued to climb; at the same time, rates for Hispanics and blacks continued to decrease, regardless of educational attainment. Additionally, they found that contemporaneous resources had no effect on mortality rates and that, instead, worsening labor market opportunities for uneducated white non-Hispanics have pushed forward several cumulative disadvantages for middle-aged people, such as worsened marriage and child outcomes, and overall health.^[16]

As a result of this research, Case has opined that physical and mental distress may bolster candidates like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.^[19][20] Likewise, the Washington Post and a Gallup Poll showed strong correlation between support for Trump and higher death rates.^[19][21][22]

 

 

Daron Acemoglu (MIT)

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/ai-automation-labor-productivity-by-daron-acemoglu-and-pascual-restrepo-2019-03

 

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The Revolution Need Not Be Automated

Mar 29, 2019 Daron Acemoglu , Pascual Restrepo

For centuries after the Industrial Revolution, automation did not hinder wage and employment growth, because it was accompanied by new technologies geared toward maintaining the role of human labor in value creation. But in the era of artificial intelligence, it will be up to policymakers to ensure that the pattern continues.

BOSTON – Artificial intelligence is transforming every aspect of our lives, not least the economy. As a general-purpose technology, AI’s applications are potentially endless. While it can be used to automate tasks previously performed by people, it can also make human labor more productive, thereby increasing labor demand.

Unfortunately, the current trend in commercial AI development is toward more and more automation, with potentially disastrous consequences for society. To be sure, automation has been an engine of productivity growth since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, when, starting in the late eighteenth century, weaving and spinning were mechanized. But the tide of automation does not automatically lift all boats. By replacing labor with machines in production tasks, automation reduces labor’s share of value added (and national income), contributes to inequality, and may reduce employment and wages.

 

[Budja]

12 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

obespravljeni jer im je ugrožen relativni položaj u društvu. 

 

sa svinjine strane, pun đavo ljudi koji sebe smatraju autentičnima. kojima je ljuti neprijatelj imigrant koji je otvorio prodavnicu na ćošku, i koji sasvim nezasluženo ima više para nego oni. sa Sandersove strane, pun đavo srednjeklasnih koji su se zahebali kada su završili nekakav liberalni koledž ili čak magistrirali. hiperprodukcija takvih je dovela do toga da će teško naći stabilan i dobro plaćen posao neko ko je magistrirao mongolsku 19ovekovnu poeziju. 

 

u oba slučaja, relativan položaj u društvu će im biti znatno gori nego roditeljima. možda su u apsolutnom smislu za korak ispred roditelja, ali to je manje bitno. zato Trampare, QAnon... mogu sebi priuštiti avionske karte i par dana zezanja u DC.

 

uz ogradu da je ovakva reakcija delom i razumljiva, ljudima je pre 15 ili 20 zaista obećavan lagodan i fin život. pa su ih elite u tom pogledu zaista i zahebale. 

 

 

edit: AfroAmeri, domoroci (aka "Indijanci"), sirotinja, beskućnici... koji jesu u qrcu i predstavljaju diskriminisani sloj društva, nisu revolucionarni materijal. naprotiv.

 

 

TrustNo1 ti li si?

Svi da studiraju kompjutere i da se stalno skoluju.

 

Ili onaj proverbijalni liberatrijanac "nejednakost nije vazna ako se smanjuje siromastvo" (nejednakost = relativan polozaj u drustvu).

[Gandalf]

Just now, Budja said:

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sve fercera. ali su revolucionarni tipovi dobrostojeća žena iz San Dijega i liberalni doktorant iz San Franciska.

[papapavle]

7 hours ago, ragasto said:

sela na avion i prevalila poveći put, samo mi ne izgleda da je to predstavljalo nešto veliko za nekog ko

živi u Americi - pogotovo iz ćoškova se leti maltene po hleb i kifle, kolima bi se iz San Dijega stiglo najdalje do Vegasa ili Feniksa.