Midterms 2018 and beyond

[Budja]

37 minutes ago, freakns said:

znaci ti mislis da su izbori skroz fer i da su Bernie & co malo vise vremena posvetili kampanji(khm, jesu), da su umesto kukanja ponudili program(khm, again, jesu... Bernie je najvise pricao o programu na debatama... ostali su uglavnom menjali svoje programe i srali po drugima), da bi onda pobedili?

Ili je istina da su trebali otici do DNC, reci da ce da pricaju o social justice, medicare for all i slicnome, a kada pobede Trumpa da ce sve da se nastavi po starom i da demokrate mogu da krkaju corporate money koliko zele, jer jeli, to je sustina demokratije. a onda ce jos javno da poljube u dupe Nancy Pelosi i Chucka Schumera i DNC ce onda prestati da mu podmece nogu?

jbt, Donna Brazile napisala knjigu sa poglavljem "kako smo se posrali po glasacima i izgurali Hillary", Debbie Schultz morala da da ostavku, i sada odjednom, ma kenjate, sve je u redu, Bernie se bavi teorijama zavere. daj bre

 

Ovaj, nemoj o programu.

Elizabetu je sjebalo delom to sto je imala najdetaljniji program pa je stoga bilo lakse naci rupe, nego kod pacova, Dzoa i Ejmi.

 

Rec je o necem drugom: Trampara je kao nati-establisment kandidat odjebao lyding media, fake media i cao i usao u rat sa istim, docim Bernijevi tviterasi samo kukaju "Jao, vidi sta nam rade." Ako si revolucionar, onda si u ratu i tako se ponasaj. Pazi, Trampara je, recimo, razbucao neo con narativ sto je bio konsensus medju republikancima i u establismentu uopste. (Ono sto nije razbucao  i sto i dalje pravi nemerljivu stetu je stav prema Izraelu.) Berni je progurao Medicare for all, ali je bio obazriv da ne udje u direktni rat sa CNNom, MSNBCom i sl. u nadi da ce se promeniti.

 

Ovako, guze ga za Bernie bros  a da on nijednom ljudski nije prozvao ni NYT, ni WAPO, ni CNN ni MSNBC i, shodno tome, prilagodio kampanju. Trampara izgurao kampanju na tviteru i na negativnom publicitetu u MSM, pa ti vidi.

 

Dakle, manje kukanja a vise fuck you attitude a la Trampara.

[Budja]

21 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

 

 

 

 

Je l si ti citao ovo?

 

Paz sad, crno stanovnistvo na jugu su obrazovni politicki. Dokaz: zena  koja je radila u OSIGURAVAJUCOJ KOMPANIJI ne podrzava medicare for all.

[Budja]

21 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/4/1924191/--God-don-t-like-ugly-is-what-my-grandma-used-to-say

We know we are still segregated and have failing schools in our communities. So when you show up having lived most of your lives in all white spaces—we smile politely and you miss the side-eye. You offer free college. We are more interested in K-12 and daycare.

 

Dissing, and booing John Lewis—we filed that away, with anger.

 

Endless attacking of Obama—major ugly.

 

Those nasty attacks on the Congressional Black Caucus, from your candidates’ surrogates and supporters get passed on to mom and auntie who don’t do twitter. Labeling the hard decades long fight to get the vote and get some of our folks elected, to then be dubbed “Establishment” and dismissed as “corporate whores”—y’all so-called “progressives” have built up a deep well of dislike.

 

Ovaj.

 

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How Sanders would provide free child care and early education for all

Sanders and his campaign say the plan offers up free, full-day child care for every child from infancy, plus pre-K to every child in the country, starting at age 3.

 

 

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Biden is the latest Democrat to offer a sweeping education proposal as candidates in the crowded 2020 presidential primary field eye the coveted endorsements of the nation’s teachers unions.

Sen. Bernie Sanders’ K-12 education plan focused on reversing racial and economic segregation and similarly called for tripling Title I funding for low-income schools. Sen. Kamala Harris has promoted a bold proposal to boost teacher pay across the country. And Sen. Elizabeth Warren has vowed that she’ll nominate a former public school teacher as her education secretary.

 

[Budja]

26 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/4/1924191/--God-don-t-like-ugly-is-what-my-grandma-used-to-say

We know we are still segregated and have failing schools in our communities. So when you show up having lived most of your lives in all white spaces—we smile politely and you miss the side-eye. You offer free college. We are more interested in K-12 and daycare.

 

Dissing, and booing John Lewis—we filed that away, with anger.

 

Endless attacking of Obama—major ugly.

 

Those nasty attacks on the Congressional Black Caucus, from your candidates’ surrogates and supporters get passed on to mom and auntie who don’t do twitter. Labeling the hard decades long fight to get the vote and get some of our folks elected, to then be dubbed “Establishment” and dismissed as “corporate whores”—y’all so-called “progressives” have built up a deep well of dislike.

 

Znas ko je ovo dole napisao, samo nesto ranije:

 

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In the primary, I was considering Biden, Warren and Harris.  The reason I was considering Biden is he polls better against Trump. I’m not a fan of yesterday’s politics and the associated baggage such as the infamous 2005 bankruptcy bill that hurt millions of struggling people, the 1994 crime bill that led to mass incarceration, the Hyde Amendment, or the Iraq war. But our number one focus has to be beating Donald Trump. If Biden has a lot better chance than anyone else, then he’s the one. 

However, his recent gaffes were both revealing and too much for me. First, the calculated Hyde Amendment reversal. Symone Sanders had to confront him and explain how the Hyde Amendment impacts poor women. I wondered do we want to nominate a candidate who needs this explained to them?  

Then came two more gaffes. The use of segregationist Senator James Eastland as an analogy of how Senators used to work together and get things done. I know what Biden meant. Ted Kennedy and Walter Mondale also found it necessary to sometimes work with James Eastland. However, Biden showed very poor political judgment in using a staunch segregationist as an example. 

He also assured a room of wealthy donors he wouldn't "demonize" them or do anything that would impact their lifestyle. This left me wondering what the hell happened to the “Kid from Scranton?”  

I also read that Biden opposed the ACA contraception mandate — link. Good thing that President Obama listened to Valerie Jarrett and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius instead.  

I recognize that people and political candidates do evolve. But Biden isn’t acting like someone who has evolved.  A new Democratic Party is emerging that rejects the perceived constraints of the Reagan era. The other candidates reflect that new party much better. In the past people argued candidates that reflect this new and emerging party couldn’t win. I’m not as convinced that’s true anymore. 

 

 

Mislim, razumem argumentaciju za anti-Bernie vote na jugu. Problem je sto vecina autora nikako da nadje smisleno objasnjenje zasto se glasalo za Bernija, ili zasto je Kamala sve vreme i u piku svoje popularnosti bila u single-digits u Juznoj Karolini. To se ne moze objasniti Sandersom.

 

[Gandalf]

10 minutes ago, Budja said:

Paz sad, crno stanovnistvo na jugu su obrazovni politicki. Dokaz: zena  koja je radila u OSIGURAVAJUCOJ KOMPANIJI ne podrzava medicare for all.

Admittedly, that comes with cynicism. Here is an example:

 

sličan cinizam provejava i u članku koji sam okačio.

[Budja]

32 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/4/1924191/--God-don-t-like-ugly-is-what-my-grandma-used-to-say

We know we are still segregated and have failing schools in our communities. So when you show up having lived most of your lives in all white spaces—we smile politely and you miss the side-eye. You offer free college. We are more interested in K-12 and daycare.

 

Dissing, and booing John Lewis—we filed that away, with anger.

 

Endless attacking of Obama—major ugly.

 

Those nasty attacks on the Congressional Black Caucus, from your candidates’ surrogates and supporters get passed on to mom and auntie who don’t do twitter. Labeling the hard decades long fight to get the vote and get some of our folks elected, to then be dubbed “Establishment” and dismissed as “corporate whores”—y’all so-called “progressives” have built up a deep well of dislike.

 

 

Ima jos. Evo ga ovaj dragulj od istog autora.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/9/1594160/-No-Bernie-wouldn-t-have-made-a-difference-it-would-have-been-worse

 

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No Bernie wouldn't have made a difference - it would have been worse.

 

[Gandalf]

14 minutes ago, Budja said:

Mislim, razumem argumentaciju za anti-Bernie vote na jugu. Problem je sto vecina autora nikako da nadje smisleno objasnjenje zasto se glasalo za Bernija, ili zasto je Kamala sve vreme i u piku svoje popularnosti bila u single-digits u Juznoj Karolini.

glasaju ljudi za dem. stranku. tj. za stranku koju Sanders želi da preporodi metodom spaljivanja. to je ono što sam ja napisao juče, to je zaključak koji je ponudio Hariot. 

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Gandalf

[3opge]

nek se dobro napuse kurca svi koji seru o Brnijevom komunizmu, socijalizmu i sranjima tipa "to kod nas ne moze jer nema ko da plati".

 

[3opge]

Brni treba da ide kao independent, sa ovakvom stokom treba tako, glasacu za trumpa ako Brni ne bude na listicu.

sekira, kurac, panj, bolje nego dementni demokratski punjeni fazan.

[Ivo Petović]

3 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

glasaju ljudi za dem. stranku. tj. za stranku koju Sanders želi da preporodi metodom spaljivanja. to je ono što sam ja napisao juče, to je zaključak koji je ponudio Hariot. 

 

 

 

 

Sve to što postavljaš ovde vrlo malo govori o Berniju, a mnogo više o (crnom) afro-američkom establišmentu i glasačima istih. Ne veruju čoveku koji je šetao sa MLK, ali zato veruju dementnom starcu, zato što dobar Trampov drug iz Bruklina stoji iza njega.

 

Da ne ulazim u to da bi, po istoj priči, mogli da analiziramo kako berni dobro prolazi kod Latinosa, kakav je tu nedostatak drugarstva po sredi.

 

I da ne ulazim u to, da će Južne Karoline, Alabame, Arkanzasi i ine bible belt države doneti prevagu u novembru na sveti nikad.

 

Ako je njima (i vama) dobro sa ciglama koje vam prodaju, mi stvarno nema razloga da se nerviramo oko toga

[Ivo Petović]

I da ne ulazim u to da je jedini američki predsednik u istoriji koji je bio biran 4 puta i kojeg Republikanci nikad ne bi pobedili da je ostao živ i da nije donet 22-gi amandman zbog njega, bio još radikalniji od Sandersa u svojim politikama, a da, gle čuda, DP nije spalio, već je ista bila nikad jača. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Ivo Petović

[freakns]

1 hour ago, Gandalf said:

Kampanja uključuje i stvaranje drugarstava sa svima mogućim, uključujući i ljude sa kojima postoje nekakve razlike. Ali je Sanders možda bio zauzet razmišljanjem o sopstvenoj veličanstvenosti.

 

 

edit:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486000-clyburn-says-sanders-never-asked-for-his-endorsement

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), whose endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden provided a key boost ahead of South Carolina's primary Saturday, says Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) never sought such an endorsement from him, despite good relations in the past.

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"I had a lot of conversations with almost every one of the candidates," he said, referencing the almost two dozen candidates, including Sanders, who accompanied Clyburn to his famous fish fry in Columbia, S.C., last June.

jebote, ti kritikujes Sandersa upravo za ono protiv cega se bori i na osnovu cega je izrastao ceo pokret. 

coveku je poenta kako hoce da srusi establishment, kako Washington treba da radi za ljude, ne za sopstvene dzepove... i onda ti dodjes i kazes kako bi trebao malko da puni dzepove politicarima, jer tako se tamo vodi politika. imam utisak da nas ili zajebavas ili ne razumes Sandersovu politiku. trece nema.

na drugoj strani, pravi car je Biden koji se hvali kako je imao super saradnju i sa republikancima(samo zaboravi da napomene da je ta super saradnja zavrsila sa svim mogucim i nemogucim zakonima koji su se posrali narodu u usta, sve na benefit donora republikanaca i demokrata)

 

i onda na kraju nam postujes pricu nekog "from the hood" lika koji prodaje muda za bubrege i prica kako crnci na jugu super kapiraju politiku(a cirka pola ih nepismeno) i onda odu svi ko ovce na klanje da glasaju za Hillary, jer su im glavni ovnovi tako rekli. i niko od tih sto super kapiraju politiku ne upita "oooooooovaj, zasto je nakon war on drugs broj crnaca u zatvorima eksponencijalno povecan i koliko je Hillary dobila para od vlasnika privatnih zatvora"? i onda se ista prica ponovi sa Bidenom, koji dobro stoji kod crnaca i kome podrska naprosto eksplodira kada cika Clybutn dadne podrsku(sto je zasigurno uradio jer mu Biden rekao da ce da se brine o crncima, a ne zato sto zajedno dele lovu).

 

a ovaj link pokazuje bukvalno sve pogresno u US politici. Clyburn nece podrzati onog sto je bolji za njegov distrikt i sto ima bolji program za ljude. to ga ne interesuje uopste. on je tacno uvredjen sto Sanders nije dosao do njega da mu titra jajca, po mogucstvu dogovore neku razmenu zelenih papirica, ne bi li ga ovaj podrzao. i to se smatra normalnim, i po tebi je Sanders bilde jer to ne radi?! pa jbt, deda se upravo protiv toga bori ceo svoj zivot!!!

[theanswer]

gandalf i rodžer su najjači likovi, oni konstantno kao dokaze nekih svojih teza izvade iz budžaka neke random tviter likove, takav nivo rasprave na forumu ja još nigde nisam video, totalno ludilo 

[Budja]

1 hour ago, Gandalf said:

glasaju ljudi za dem. stranku. tj. za stranku koju Sanders želi da preporodi metodom spaljivanja. to je ono što sam ja napisao juče, to je zaključak koji je ponudio Hariot. 

 

 

 

 

Bullshit.

Zasto je Kamala imala jednocifreni broj u SC? Je li i ona "otpadnik" od DSa?

Zasto verni vojnici Pit i Ejmi nisu mogli da naprave nikakav pomak u SC ako je rec o partiji a ne licnosti? Zasto je Clyburn endorsovao Bajdena a ne nekog od njih?

[Ivo Petović]

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