Prevozna sredstva bez vozača, da ili ne?

[mustang]

OBECAVAM samoj sebi da cu do kraja 2017 imati teslu! da mogu lepo da kucam i vozim :)

[hazard]

http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/self-driving/google-selfdriving-car-will-be-ready-soon-for-some-in-decades-for-others

 

 

 

Google Self-Driving Car Will Be Ready Soon for Some, in Decades for Others

 

By Lee Gomes

Posted 18 Mar 2016 | 14:28 GMT

 

Project director Chris Urmson now says a fully-featured Google self-driving car might be 30 years away.

 

If you're one of the millions of people pining to own a Google self-driving car, you better make yourself comfortable, because you may be in for a much longer wait than you ever expected.

 

Not only that: There's a distinct chance that once you get behind the wheel of the first commercial version of the Google car, it may not take you where you need to go.

 

In 2011, soon after Google first told the world about the robocars it had secretly been developing, it promised that the vehicles would be able to "drive anywhere a car can legally drive." Its timeframe for delivering the technology was generally understood to be in the neighborhood of five years. For example, in a 2014 Wall Street Journal article, project director Chris Urmson was quoted as saying he was hoping "to field a fully autonomous car" by the end of the decade.

 

But last week in a speech at Austin's South-by-Southwest, Urmson for the first time told a different story about both the delivery date and capabilities of its first self-driving cars.

 

Not only might it take much longer to arrive than the company has ever indicated—as long as 30 years, said Urmson—but the early commercial versions might well be limited to certain geographies and weather conditions. Self-driving cars are much easier to engineer for sunny weather and wide-open roads, and Urmson suggested the cars might be sold for those markets first.

 

Urmson put it this way in his speech. "How quickly can we get this into people's hands? If you read the papers, you see maybe it's three years, maybe it's thirty years. And I am here to tell you that honestly, it's a bit of both."

 

He went on to say, "this technology is almost certainly going to come out incrementally. We imagine we are going to find places where the weather is good, where the roads are easy to drive — the technology might come there first. And then once we have confidence with that, we will move to more challenging locations."

 

In an interview, a Google spokesman agreed that Urmson was describing some aspects of the project differently than the company had in the past. "Yes, there was some new stuff in there," the spokesman said. "That was obviously the intention of the speech: To say some new things."

 

But he took exception to the notion that Google was announcing any sort of delay, instead describing Urmson's new decades-long delivery window as an "expansion" of what he has said in the past. The spokesman also denied that Urmson's description of an incremental commercial roll-out represented any sort of strategic change.

 

In a later written statement, he said the company's basic goals for the program were unaltered: "We want to make fully self-driving vehicles available soon to as many people as possible given the potential benefits for road safety and for those whose mobility is limited by their inability to drive a car, but we’ll do it in a safe and thoughtful manner."

 

Others interpreted Urmson's speech differently. "This is the most conservative roadmap they have ever talked about publicly," says Edwin Olson, who researches self-driving cars at the University of Michigan.

 

Ian Grossman, a vice president of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, which works with state DMVs, says Urmson's speech was the first time he had heard of the possibility of Google commercializing its cars in stages, rather than introducing the model the company initially described, a car that, like today's automobiles, can go essentially anywhere. "It's definitely an interesting new development," he says.

 

Any shift by Google in its self-driving car plans would be significant, because while there have been skeptics, much of the world has taken it for granted that the major technology challenges of fully computer-controlled vehicles have been worked out and that Google was on track to deliver them in the near future. A 2013 report by Morgan Stanley is one of scores that projected that full self-driving cars would be available by the end of the decade; Morgan Stanley said the new technology would eventually contribute $1.3 trillion in annual savings to the U.S. economy. The expectations are so high that lawmakers are now being urged to scrap support for mass transit programs, which, some argue, won't be needed in an era of ubiquitous self-driving cars. 

 

Much of that optimism about self-driving car is the result of press coverage of the Google project. But Olson says those stories have not always conveyed the extent of the remaining technical challenges with the technology, which he describes as considerable, especially considering Google's clearly-stated ambition to develop a fully computerized car without either a steering wheel or brake pedal.

 

Google has, Olson says, "a super-abundance of optimism and enthusiasm for their vision. But the consequence is that they've projected the idea that this problem is going to be solved very soon."

 

Google is currently testing a pod-like car with a maximum speed limit of 40 kph. But that model has always been understood to be a research prototype that is a stepping stone towards the final goal of a fully-functional self-driving car.

 

The Google project got some unwelcome headlines last month when, for the first time, a Google car caused an accident—a minor, low-speed collision with a bus; there were no injuries and minimal property damage.

[bigvlada]

Ne treba da se čudiš, ljudi se isto tako lože da ćemo uskoro imati warp drive jer eto, neka laboratorija radi na tome pa je to gotova stvar. Lako je na autoputu, ovde će se atest davati posle vožnje po Kaluđerici. :D 

[bigvlada]

Intel Forms New Group for Autonomous Vehicles and Announces $250M Investment

by Anton Shilov on November 30, 2016 7:00 AM EST

 

Intel this week announced several initiatives to push into the emerging autonomous driving market. The company formally established a new internal organization called the Automated Driving Group (ADG) dedicated solely to the development of solutions for autonomous vehicles, and announced plans to invest $250 million in the creation of various technologies that enable autonomous driving. Intel has also teamed up with Delphi and Mobileye to develop a turnkey autonomous driving platform that could be used by different automakers. The first cars featuring the platform are expected to emerge in 2019.

 

Intel Bets on Self-Driving Cars

 

Intel has been working with various makers of cars for over a decade, so the company is not a complete newbie to the auto industry. For example, Intel’s CPUs have powered several generations of infotainment systems in many cars by various brands. However, when it comes to autonomous vehicles, much more sophisticated computing platforms are needed. Firstly, such platforms use a multitude of sensors in addition to sonar, LIDAR, odometry, and cameras. Secondly, they use very specific processing units that analyze sensory data in real time as well as AI technologies to make decisions.

 

Over the past few years, Intel acquired numerous companies to accumulate various types of IP it needs not only for autonomous vehicles, but also for many other AI-driven applications. For example, Intel bought Saffron Technology specializing in cognitive computing (AI + signal processing) in late 2015, a developer of driver assistance system called Yogitech in April ’16, machine learning specialist Nervana Systems in August ‘16 as well as computer vision expert Movidius in September ‘16.

 

All of Intel’s assets related to self-driving cars will now be poured into the ADG, which will be managed by Doug Davis, a long-time Intel veteran who oversaw the company’s efforts in embedded computing, networking, and IoT. Kathy Winter, who used to manage software and services for automated driving at Delphi, will assist Mr. Davis.

 

It is noteworthy that Intel did not form a group that would address cars in general and which goal would have been top-to-bottom platforms for autonomous systems. The company intends to address very specific components of future cars and will thus have to make sure that its platforms for autonomous vehicles are compatible with technologies developed by third parties. Initially, the company plans to develop a platform for self-driving cars with Delphi and Mobileye, but eventually it will inevitably have to work with the likes of NXP, Infineon or Renesas (the largest suppliers of automotive semiconductors, according to IHS).

 

 

Meanwhile, Intel’s CEO points out that every self-driving car is going to generate roughly 4 TB of data every day, which leads to three implications. Firstly, such cars are going to need powerful chips to process the data in real-time. Secondly, developers of autonomous driving platforms will have to own datacenters to analyze the vast amounts of data captured by vehicles and develop more sophisticated AI technologies. Thirdly, the communications infrastructure will have to handle increased amounts of data. Intel’s Xeon CPUs already power the majority of the world’s datacenters and the proliferation of autonomous cars will drive demand for the company’s processors in the future. In the meantime, ADG is supposed to bring more Intel chips to cars, creating new business opportunities.

 

First Intel-Powered Self-Driving Cars to Hit the Road in 2019

One of the first projects that the ADG will work on will be a platform for autonomous vehicles jointly developed by Intel, Delphi and Mobileye that is due in 2019. Another important project for the ADG will be collaborative work with BMW and Mobileye on an autonomous car platform that the former intends to use by 2021. Unfortunately, for now, Intel does not disclose any other efforts that its ADG will deal with.

 

Intel, Delphi and Mobileye have already developed a prototype of their platform based on Intel’s current-gen Core i7 CPU (they do not disclose which one, so we can think of everything between the i7-6600U and the i7-6950X) and an undisclosed Mobileye silicon. Intel says that over time the platform will migrate to a more powerful CPU to be introduced over the next few weeks, but we do not know whether that chip will power vehicles in 2019, when the platform is set to be used commercially. Meanwhile, Mobileye says that the platform will feature compute performance of approximately 20 TFLOPS (we suspect we are dealing with 8-bit integer operations here), which is in line with what NVIDIA expects from its Xavier SoC for self-driving cars that will start sampling in late 2017.

 

NVIDIA and a number of other companies have worked on solutions for autonomous cars for several years now, but while Intel is announcing its intentions to address self-driving vehicles only today, this does not mean that the company is starting only now and from scratch (still, it is evident that Intel is somewhat behind of its rival here). As a result of its recent acquisitions, the chip giant already has a lot of IP related to AI, deep learning, computer vision and other technologies needed for self-driving cars. Moreover, the company’s ADG intends to invest $250 million over the next two years in the development of technologies relevant for autonomous vehicles, such as connectivity, context awareness, deep learning, security, safety and so on.

 

The establishment of Intel’s Automated Driving Group is a sign that the company is taking autonomous vehicles seriously and plans to be a part of a major technology revolution (a good message to send to investors). At the same time, right now the ADG raises more questions than provides answers, at least, from a technology point of view. In any case, Intel promised to announce an element of the upcoming platform for self-driving cars in the next few weeks (CES is January) and perhaps this is when the company discloses more information about the upcoming solution.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10872/intel-forms-new-group-for-autonomous-vehicles-and-announces-250m-investment

 

Zanimljivi su i komentari. Naime, ljudima je bilo čudno kako to da GPS troši 50 KB/s pa su postavili tezu da je osoba koja je to pravila stavila 50 bajtova a onda je neki genije iz marketinga pomislio da je pravopisna greška pa je dodao k što se može videti i po činjenici da je to jedini primer na slici gde nema razmaka između brojeva i slova. 

[Lezilebovich]

Citam ovo o CIA spijuniranju i pise da su razmatrali i hakovanje selfdriving automobila. Da li je to realna pretnja i razlog za oprez, odn da li smo sigurni da ce proizvodjaci softvera za aute vise paznje posvetiti zastiti od proizvodjaca televizora, ves masina i sl.

[Utvara]

Odgovor je da.

 

koga zanimaju nešto konkretniji detalji:

 

Policijska i vozila hitne pomoći su podešena da im se prilikom sudara npr. ne gasi motor itd.

wired i vice:

 

Ne mogu sad da nađem, ali Rusi su uhakovali u rosijskoe železnodorožnoe i njihov sistem, tako da je moguće hakovati i železnicu. Sve se može kad se hoće.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Utvara

[Fins fleet]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/25/15058978/uber-self-driving-car-crash-arizona

 

On a side note, ovo sasvim lepo ide. Doci ce brze nego sto smo mislili.

Edited March 26, 2017 by Fins fleet

[MayDay]

Elon je ranije predstavio priču sa tunelima za ubrzavanje saobraćaja. https://www.ted.com/talks/elon_musk_the_future_we_re_building_and_boring#t-15041

 

Meni je delovalo da je malo problematično to sa čekanjem da se nakačiš na onu platformicu da te spusti u tunel i da to ne pomaže, ali nisam razmišljala o troškovima.

 

Problemi.

[Krošek]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/25/15058978/uber-self-driving-car-crash-arizona

 

On a side note, ovo sasvim lepo ide. Doci ce brze nego sto smo mislili.

 

kriva je vozačica drugog auta, običan udes. uber je nastavio upotrebu autonomnih automobila par dana posle toga.

[jezovuk]

Krenulo testiranje bez vozača u realnom saobraćaju:

 

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/07/waymo-now-testing-its-self-driving-cars-on-public-roads-with-no-one-at-the-wheel/

[Peter Fan]

Malo sam umoran od "serial enterprenuers" kojima su puna usta "disruption", ali zanimljiva hipoteza, uz dosta zabavnu prezentaciju. Zapravo, ako ne laze (a mrzi me da sad provjeravam trendove koje citira), onda je vec potvrdjeno, jer je navodno ovo vec sve predstavio 2014, I zasada sve ide svojim tokom:

 

 

[Lezilebovich]

Očigledno ne razumem dovoljno primenu ovoga, osim da se igraju igrice u stvarno prostoru/vremenu

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Berlinski startap Vay, čiji je jedan od osnivača Srbin Bogdan Đukić, prikupio je 95 miliona dolara u drugoj rundi prikupljanja sredstava (fundraising), što predstavlja najveći iznos koji je neki evropski startap ikada dobio. Pored Đukića, suosnivači Vay-a su Tomas fon der Oje i Fabrisio Skelsi.

Ovaj novac omogućiće kompaniji da naredne godine u Hamburgu pokrene prvu flotu automobila, ali i da utrostruče svoj tim, pre svega angažovanjem novih inženjera.

Iako vozila nisu u potpunosti autonomna, Vay pomera granice sa teledrive tehnologijom. Naime, automobili će imati remote vozača, odnosno vozača na udaljenoj lokaciji.

Tako će od 2022. godine stanovnici Hamburga imati mogućnost da naruče vožnju, a teledrajver će isporučiti automobil klijentu u roku od nekoliko minuta. Odatle ostaje na mušteriji da se odveze do svoje odabrane destinacije. Možda i najbolja stvar tek sledi – klijent neće morati da razmišlja o parkingu jer po dolasku na željenu destinaciju teledrajver ponovo preuzima automobil i on ga parkira, ili ga prosleđuje do sledećeg klijenta.

Teledrajveri već imaju napredne alate koje koriste kako bi odvezli automobil na željenu destinaciju i koji im omogućuju prikaz od 360 stepeni i osećaj kao da se u tom trenutku zaista nalaze u automobilu.

„Vožnja bez vozača je potencijalno najveća i najpozitivnija promena u mobilnosti u našoj generaciji. Tomas, Fabrisio, Bogdan i ostatak Vay tima su pioniri u ovoj industriji, kombinujući vizionarski i pragmatični pristup sa snažnom misijom da povećaju bezbednost i održivost transporta”, rekla je za Tech Natali Tajdmen iz kompanije Kinnevik, koja je takođe podržala ovaj startap.

https://vay.io/

 

 

[Heaviside]

Dovezu ti auto i uzmu ga iste sekunde cim ti vise ne treba, usluga kakva je sa vozacem koji je fizicki prisutan u automobilu moguca samo uz velike troskove prevoza samog vozaca do i od vozila i njegovog vremena dok ga prevoze.

[Filozof manijak]

A operatori/teledrajveri će upravljati tim automobilima kao npr.dronovima?

Voleo bih da vidim kako bi izgledalo to upravljačko mesto.

[borris_]

Hajde da vidimo kako ce to da urade vec iduce godine. Kako ce dobiti dozvolu za udaljeno upravljane kolima. I kako ce to tehnicki rijesiti. 

 

Alstom je to uradio sa vozom na test liniji i ne u punoj brzini 2019. cini mi se (ne znam sta su kasnije radili).

Edited December 15, 2021 by borris_