56 minutes ago, Filozof manijak said:

A operatori/teledrajveri će upravljati tim automobilima kao npr.dronovima?

Voleo bih da vidim kako bi izgledalo to upravljačko mesto.

Imaš skicu na njihovom sajtu. Tri ekrana, sedište, volan, papučice. Liči na simulatore na kojima treniraju profi trkači i na simulatore za testiranje pogona. Imaš toga na YT ako te zanima. Znam da AVL pravi dobar simulator za testiranje trkačkih automobila, trebalo bi da izgleda slično kao ovo.

Vec sam to pisao (zapravo linkova), ali driverless tehnologija ce biti naprije biti upotrebljena tamo gdje je profit najveci, a to su prevoznici tereta.

 

Konkretno:

 

KEY QUOTES FROM ABIDI:

“When you’re talking about autonomous trucking, the secret sauce is finding a very limited use case in which you deploy it so that it’s relatively easy to develop the technology.”

“Right now there’s a regimen for how a driver conducts a pre-inspection for a regular Class 8 truck. That same regimen for an autonomous truck looks quite different. You’ve got your base truck of course, but you also have your sensors and computer. That’s a little more intricate, and one of the things we’ve worked with DHL on is, how long does that process take.”  

“I think in the next five years, you’re going to see [autonomous trucking] deploy on meaningful lanes in the U.S. And if you’re a carrier or a shipper, it matters a lot for certain parts of your network. It will really come down to specific lanes — there will be some lanes where it will not be a factor.”

KEY QUOTES FROM COX:

“The stuff that’s not as sexy is what’s going to make autonomous trucking successful, such as how do we pre-certify the loads so that we can bypass the weigh station. And to also have contingency plans in place so if something does go wrong — Embark is working on all this stuff, and it gives us a lot of comfort as their partners.” 

 

“I think where this makes most economic sense is in long-haul trucking — that’s also where it has been difficult to hire drivers, and that’s where the Class 8 challenges have been most acute the last few years, and quite frankly there’s a lot of volume to be met there.”

 

Beyond testing: Scaling autonomous trucks for commercial operations - FreightWaves

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12483487/Two-Cruise-driverless-taxis-BLOCKED-ambulance-carrying-car-crash-victim-San-Francisco-later-died-hospital.html

 

• San Francisco Fire Department records have said that two automated Cruise taxis caused an ambulance carrying a car crash victim to be delayed 
• The victim, who remains unknown, passed away from 'significant lower extremity injuries' shortly after arriving at hospital 
• The company fired back at the fire department saying that their vehicles had made a path for emergency teams

@Tpojka

Eh da je prvi put da se ovo isto desi, nego otprilike deseti put slična stvar. Ima na wiki lista incidenata koga zanima. 

 

A baš razmišljam gde da napišem moj pomalo bizarni susret sa jednim od ovih Cruise uređaja. Amblendovao sam robotu 
 

Vozio sam kroz usku ulicu sa parkiranim autima sa obe strane, i u nekom monentu blicnem i sklonim se sa strane da propustim auto koji mi je dolazio u susret. Kako je bio sumrak nije izgledalo ništa čudno, osim što je vozilo imalo  antene i kamere na sebi. Ali pomislih da radi mapiranje za Google ili tako nešto. Par minuta kasnije drugi isti takav stane pored mene na semaforu i ja se okrenem da vidim ko vozi- kad imam šta da vidim. Naslon za glavu je tu, ali glave nema 

Nisam pojma imao da su dobili dozvolu da rade u mom gradu. Za sad samo za kretanje, ne i za prevoz putnika. 

Cruise je inače kompanija koju je kupio General Morors tako da za njih rade razvoj ove tehnologije. Jedan od ciljeva im je da unaprede način kretanja u smislu da ne skreću pažnju drugim vozačima, ali upadljivo je da se kreću nekako robotski i neprirodno. 

Da ne trolujem više Twitter temu ovim, dosta sadržajan video jednog vlasnika Tesle.

 

Ako kojim slučajem zlotvori nisu banovali @mustang, dobro bi joj došlo da pogleda.

 

 

 

 

https://www.axios.com/local/austin/2025/02/05/austinites-can-opt-in-to-waymo-rides-on-uber

 

Živ nisam da vidim hoće li ovo da se realizuje.  Downtown i okolina ih viđam svaki dan kako treniraju, ali na autoputevima ih nikad nisam video. Osim što je na autoputu velika brzina uz zgusnut saobraćaj, problem je i što se konstantno otvaraju gradilišta, menjaju paterni, zatvaraju i otvaraju rampe itd.

Tesla investigated over self-driving cars on wrong side o...

The US government said approximately 2.9 million cars could be impacted by the investigation.

Tesla is being investigated by the US government after reports the firm's self-driving cars had broken traffic laws, including driving on the wrong side of the road and not stopping for red lights.

It said it was aware of 58 reports where the electric cars had committed such violations, according to a filing from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

u wuhanu sam, upravo se vracam sa sajma u hotel i pored nas prodje vozilo bez vozaca. kolega mi kaze da imaju ovde takve taksije.

14 minutes ago, banecare1 said:

u wuhanu sam, upravo se vracam sa sajma u hotel i pored nas prodje vozilo bez vozaca. kolega mi kaze da imaju ovde takve taksije.

Ovo me podsetilo na dva alkosa u Pozarevcu, kad su dani Ljubiceva, pa puste konje slobodno kroz grad. Ozbiljan komentar jednog: ''Koje poverenje, bato'' drugi znacajno klima glavom.

ja sam pod utiskom jos uvek, posto se ovaj bez vozaca ravnopravno gurao kroz guzvu.

sada sam razocaran sto nas lokalci kupe na veceru obicnim kolima sa vozacem, kao da je 2023

Tesla in talks with Irish Govt over self-driving software approval

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2026/0510/1572395-tesla-ireland-fsd/

Tesla is hoping to roll out its "full self-driving" software in the EU as early as this summer, with talks under way with the Irish Government among other nations.

The company has said FSD [full self-driving] approval in Europe is crucial to increasing sales in the region, which fell 27% last year.

This week in Brussels, Dutch authorities were making their case to other European regulators to green‑light the technology.

The Netherlands became the first EU nation to grant preliminary approval, following 18 months of "extensive research and testing on public roads".

What is Tesla's full self-driving software?

Despite the name, the Dutch road authority RDW stressed that Tesla’s "full self-driving" software is not "self-driving but a driver-assistance system".

Driver-assistance systems are usually classified as Level 2 autonomous driving.

This means the system can control braking, acceleration and steering, but the driver must keep their eyes on the road at all times and remains fully responsible.

Tesla says FSD "will drive you almost anywhere with your active supervision, requiring minimal intervention" but does not make the car self-driving.

While Level 2 systems are already used on European roads, Tesla’s FSD (Supervised) is considered Level 2+, with the ability to remove hands from the steering wheel as an additional feature.

"In a Level 2 vehicle, the driver must be able to react and take control instantaneously – not within two-three seconds. This is why all the other carmakers providing the L2 technology simply do not allow to take the hands off," said Professor Sergio Savaresi, head of the Department of Electronics at the Polytechnic University of Milan.

"What time does it take to put your hands back on the wheel – half a second, one second, one and a half second?"

That reaction time "is a grey area and a subject of ongoing debate", he added.

Nevertheless, a more advanced Level 3 version is already commercially available in Europe.

It’s Mercedes-Benz's Drive Pilot software, launched in 2023, is currently permitted on limited German autobahns with the speed up to 95km/h.

Level 3 allows the driver to take their eyes off the road – for example, to read or check their phone.

Is Ireland close to approving Tesla’s FSD?

In a statement to RTÉ News, the Department of Transport said that "Tesla are currently engaging with the Irish authorities including the Irish approval body, the NSAI, regarding their FSD system".

The department added that negotiations will continue on both national and EU levels, but "at this stage it is not possible to provide timelines for any EU approval".

"If the technology is to be approved at EU level, it would then be possible for it to be allowed in Ireland."

A national strategy for connected and autonomous vehicles has been under development by the Department of Transport since 2018.

While this document hasn't yet been finalised, the latest amendment to the Road Traffic and Roads Act 2023 in March paved the way for Level 2 software to be lawfully used in Ireland

However, no such systems are currently in operation on public roads.

"There are cars on sale in Ireland that would have the capability of doing it, but the manufacturers haven't fitted it based on the legislation that exists here", said Paddy Comyn, the Head of Automotive Content at Done Deal.

On Tesla's website, the feature called enhanced autopilot can be purchased for €3,800, which will become a subscription-only feature from May 21.

While current regulation bans the use of such systems, according to the 2023 court case a 37-year-old mechanical engineer was driving a Tesla car "no hands" on the M50.

The man, who worked for a company developing autonomous vehicles, testified that he was monitoring the car's autopilot driver assistant system and was acquitted of dangerous driving.

In practice, assisted driving here extends little beyond features like lane‑keeping assistance and adaptive cruise control.

"It's not a case that you can take your hands off the wheel, but a lot of the cars that we have on sale would in theory have capabilities to adjust steering", Paddy Comyn said.

Concerns over Tesla’s FSD

According to Reuters, regulators from Sweden, Norway and Finland have raised concerns about the Tesla’s "full self-driving" software, citing its "tendency to speed" and questioning its performance on icy roads.

Last year, the US traffic safety authority launched an investigation into 2.9 million Tesla cars over reports of crashes involving FSD.

According to some complaints, the software failed to detect parked vehicles or gave users "too little reaction time to avoid a crash".

"In practice, you could use Tesla’s FSD at Level 3, and this is where most accidents have occurred - because users became overconfident and trusted the technology so much that they would, for example, read emails. But that is not allowed," Prof Savaresi said.

The company argues that "FSD (Supervised) improves US road safety by over 80%, reducing the likelihood of collisions caused by human error," with its "advanced driver-assistance safety systems" like collision warning and emergency braking "setting the standard for vehicle safety worldwide."

Tesla’s decision to rely solely on cameras, rather than combining different sensors, has also been questioned.

Radars, cameras, and Lidars (which use laser pulses to create 3D maps of the environment) are the most common sensing technologies in automated systems.

"With a standard camera, you might see a black road and a black tyre and you wouldn't notice a difference", Dr Martin Glavin, Professor at the School of Engineering at the University of Galway, explained.

"But with a hyperspectral sensor, the material properties of the rubber would differ from the road."

As part of the Connacht Automotive Research Group, Dr Glavin and colleagues test different types of sensors in extreme weather environments "that you might find in Ireland".

What's next for autonomous vehicles?

Despite concerns, researchers are optimistic about the future of autonomous vehicles.

"A good autonomous system is better than a distracted driver or a very tired driver," Dr Glavin says.

He called for more government oversight over the implementation of the software, rather than letting individual companies "making decisions about what is safe and what is not safe".

In Milan, Professor Savaresi and his research team are skipping Level 2 and 3 of assisted driving – their focus is on driverless cars and how they can change our cities.

"The real breakthrough and transformational technology are on Level 4," Prof Savaresi said.

This is when cars are able to drive independently in most or all conditions without a driver. Robotaxis are already used in Chines and US cities, operated by companies like Baidu and Waymo.

With the US and China clearly dominating the self-driving innovation, the research team in Milan is aiming to deliver one of Europe’s first own autonomous solutions.

"The European market is very special, due to its rules and the topology of the European cities with narrow roads and complicated traffic."

Lack of its own artificial intelligence to power autonomous driving and humanoid robots is "critical for national security", Professor Savaresi added.

"Europe is interrogating itself on what to do with AI, both digital and physical."

"We need to catch up."