Sirija

[dillinger]

Bilo je opozicije i u Americi ali govorimo o Zapadu gde je 80% EU bilo protiv...

 

I? Jesu li udarili sankcije SAD-u?

 

Btw i Belorusija je protiv rata u Ukrajini.

[Eraserhead]

Asadovci izvrsili hemijski napad na bele zeke u Alepu:

 

Syria: Coordinated Chemical Attacks on Aleppo

 

(New York) – Syrian government forces conducted coordinated chemical attacks in opposition-controlled parts of Aleppo during the final month of the battle for the city, Human Rights Watch said today.

 

[Čutura]

imas neki nezavisni izvor?

[Eraserhead]

imas neki nezavisni izvor?

Sumnjam da ce Sputnik ili Informer objaviti ovo

[Čutura]

to je taj nivo, otprilike

[Eraserhead]

to je taj nivo, otprilike

Pa da sve je to isto. Sputnik, informer i HRW

[Čutura]

eto. i ti si ukapirao.

[Redoran]

Pa sam si ovde pisao kad sam spominjao Asadova burad da je to dzihadisticka propaganda. Ako ti je toliko stalo do civila generalno, zasto nam onako pesnicki kako ti to umes ne objasnis i Asadovo ili Putinovo zlo? Umesto toga citamo samo o zapadnom zlu a kad se spomenu ovi drugi kreces sa geopolitikom, suverenitetom (osim kod Ukrajine, naravno) itd...

 

Problem je u tome što ne čitaš. Kada bi čitao onda bi znao da sam u januaru lepo napisao da džihadistička propaganda svaki pokušaj bilo kave diskusije o Siriji spinuje na burad. To ne znači da ta burad ne padaju nekim civilima i deci na glavu već znači da u vreme kada je Al Kaida gubila Alepo na ovoj temi skoro da nije bilo moguće ostaviti neki post a da neko ne odgovori na njega sa: "Ma pusti ti to, nego ajmo malo o buradima". Ko god je pokušao da priča o nečemu drugom dobijao je burad kao odgovor. A to i takvo bukačenje jeste džihadistička propaganda.

 

Dalje, izvoli pronađi jedan moj post na spoljnopolitičkim temama gde sam koristio izraze kao što su geopolitika ili suverenitet. Možda ih je neko drugi koristio, ja nisam.

 

To je tačno ono što sam ranije pominjao. Ti ovde sprovodiš neke istrage forumaša koji nisu dovoljno kritični spram Asada i Putina i onda ih progoniš posle svakog posta koji napišu, sve usput citirajući pojmove koje oni nigde nisu koristili i učitavajući im stavove koje nigde nisu izneli. Sto puta ti je rečeno da možeš slobodno da nazoveš svaki moj post ničim izazvanom propagandom protiv SAD ali da je jako ružno da to dokazuješ citatima koji nisu moji i osvrtima na postove koji nisu moji. Mislim, onaj poslednji preživeli iz fima The Cube bi do sada to shvatio pa valjda možeš i ti.

[Redoran]

Sumnjam da ce Sputnik ili Informer objaviti ovo

 

To nije odgovor na pitanje koje ti je postavljeno. Pitanje je glasilo da li imaš neki nezavisan izvor za ovaj hlorin jer HRW nije nezavisan izvor. Oni deklarisano podržavaju jednu stranu u sukobu i to em u startu kompromituje njihove izveštaje em kreira nepotrebnu kontroverzu oko žrtava ove klanice.

[mlatko]

 

[Lord Protector]

Ono što je Ayatollah rekao pre par strana Rick Sterling potvrđuje u svom istraživanju:

 

Amnesty International Stokes Syrian War

The West’s vast propaganda machine has pulled in many formerly respectable groups, such as Amnesty International, which just released a dubious “human rights” report aimed at stoking the war in Syria, reports Rick Sterling.

 

By Rick Sterling

Amnesty International (AI) has done some good investigations and reports over the years, which has won the group widespread support. However, less well recognized, Amnesty International has also carried out faulty investigations with bloody and disastrous consequences.

One prominent example is in Iraq, where AI “corroborated” the false story that Iraqi soldiers were stealing incubators from Kuwait, leaving babies to die on the cold floor. The deception was planned and carried out in Washington to influence the U.S. public and Congress.

A more recent example is from 2011 where false accusations were being made about Libya and Muammar Gaddafi as Western and Gulf powers sought to overthrow his government. AI leaders joined the campaign claiming that Gaddafi was using “mercenaries” to threaten and kill peacefully protesting civilians. The propaganda was successful in muting criticism of what became an invasion and “regime change.”

Going far beyond a United Nations Security Council resolution to “protect civilians,” NATO launched sustained air attacks and toppled the Libyan government leading to chaos, violence and a flood of refugees. AI later refuted the “mercenary” accusations but the damage was done.

Now, on Feb. 7, Amnesty International released a new report titled “Human Slaughterhouse: Mass Hangings and Extermination at Saydnaya Prison,” which accuses the Syrian government of executing thousands of political prisoners, a set of accusations that has received uncritical treatment in the mainstream news media.

Like the Iraq/Kuwait incubator story and the Libyan “mercenary” story, the “Human Slaughterhouse” report is coming at a critical time. It accuses and convicts the Syrian government of horrible atrocities against civilians – and AI explicitly calls for the international community to take “action.” But the AI report is deeply biased and amounts to a kangaroo-court conviction of the Syrian government.

AI’s Standards Ignored

The Amnesty International report violates the organization’s own research standards. As documented by Professor Tim Hayward here, the Secretary General of Amnesty International, Salil Shetty, claims that Amnesty does its research “in a very systematic, primary, way where we collect evidence with our own staff on the ground. And every aspect of our data collection is based on corroboration and cross-checking from all parties, even if there are, you know, many parties in any situation because of all of the issues we deal with are quite contested. So it’s very important to get different points of view and constantly cross check and verify the facts.”

But the Amnesty report fails on all counts: it relies on third parties, it did not gather its information from different points of view, and it did not cross-check with all parties. The report’s conclusions are not based on primary sources, material evidence or AI’s own staff; the findings are solely based on the claims of anonymous individuals, mostly in southern Turkey from where the war on Syria is coordinated.

Amnesty gathered witnesses and testimonies from only one side of the conflict: the Western- and Gulf-supported opposition. For example, AI consulted with the Syrian Network for Human Rights, which is known to seek NATO intervention in Syria. AI “liased” with the Commission for International Justice and Accountability, an organization funded by the West to press criminal charges against the Syrian leadership. These are obviously not neutral, independent or nonpartisan organizations.

If AI were doing what its Secretary General claims the organization always does, AI would have consulted with organizations within or outside Syria to hear different accounts of life at Saydnaya Prison. Since the AI report has been released, the AngryArab has published the account of a Syrian dissident, Nizar Nayyouf, who was imprisoned at Saydnaya. He contradicts many statements in the Amnesty International report, the type of cross-checking that AI failed to do for this important study.

Amnesty’s accusation that executions were “extrajudicial” is exaggerated or false. By Amnesty’s own description, each prisoner appeared briefly before a judge and each execution was authorized by a high government leader. We do not know if the judge looked at documentation or other information regarding each prisoner. One could argue that the process as described was superficial, but it’s clear that even if AI’s allegations are true, there was some kind of judicial process.

Amnesty’s suggestion that all Saydnaya prisoners are convicted is false. Amnesty quotes one witness who says about the court: “The judge will ask the name of the detainee and whether he committed the crime. Whether the answer is yes or no, he will be convicted.” But this assertion is contradicted by a former Saydnaya prisoner who is now a refugee in Sweden. In this news report, the former prisoner says the judge “asked him how many soldiers he had killed. When he said none, the judge spared him.” This is evidence that there is a judicial process of some sort and there are acquittals.

The Amnesty report includes satellite photographs with captions which are meaningless or erroneous. For example, as pointed out by Syrian dissident Nizar Nayyouf, the photo on page 30 showing a Martyrs Cemetery is “silly beyond silly.” The photo and caption show that the cemetery doubled in size. However, this does not prove hangings of prisoners who would never be buried in a “martyrs cemetery” reserved for Syrian army soldiers. On the contrary, it confirms the fact which Amnesty International otherwise ignores: Syrian soldiers have died in large numbers.

The Amnesty report falsely claims — based on data provided by one of the groups seeking NATO intervention — “The victims are overwhelmingly ordinary civilians who are thought to oppose the government.” While it’s surely true that innocent civilians are sometimes wrongly arrested, as happens in all countries, the suggestion that Saydnaya prison is filled with 95 percent “ordinary civilians” is preposterous. Amnesty International can only make this claim without facing ridicule because AI and other Western organizations have effectively “disappeared” the reality of Syria.

Missing Facts

Other essential facts, which are completely missing from the Amnesty report, include:

–Western powers and Gulf monarchies have spent billions of dollars annually since 2011 to recruit, fund, train, arm and support with sophisticated propaganda a violent campaign to overthrow the Syrian government;

–As part of this operation, tens of thousands of foreign fanatics have invaded Syria and tens of thousands of Syrians have been radicalized and paid by Wahhabi monarchies in the Gulf to overthrow the government;

–More than 100,000 Syrian Army and National Defense soldiers have been killed defending their country. Most of this is public information yet ignored by Amnesty International and other mainstream media in the West. This “regime change” operation has been accompanied by a massive distortion and cover-up of reality.

–Without providing evidence, Amnesty International accuses the highest Sunni religious leader in Syria, Grand Mufti Ahmad Badreddin Hassoun, of authorizing the execution of “ordinary civilians.” While the Grand Mufti is a personal victim of the war’s violence – his son was murdered by terrorists near Aleppo – he has consistently called for reconciliation. Following the assassination of his son, Grand Mufti Hassoun gave an eloquent speech expressing forgiveness for the murderers and calling for an end to the violence.

What does it say about Amnesty International that it makes specific personal accusations, against people who have personally suffered, yet provides no evidence of guilt?

In the report, Amnesty uses sensational and emotional accusations in place of factual evidence. The title of the report is “Human Slaughterhouse.” And what goes with a “slaughterhouse”? A “meat fridge.” So, the report uses the expression “meat fridge” seven separate times, presumably in an attempt to strengthen the central metaphor of a slaughterhouse.

Even the report’s opening quotation is hyperbolic: “Saydnaya is the end of life – the end of humanity.” The report is in sharp contrast with fact-based objective research and investigation; it appears designed to manipulate emotions and thus create new public support in the West for another escalation of the war.

Yet, Amnesty International’s accusations that the Syrian government is carrying out a policy of “extermination” are contradicted by the fact that the vast majority of Syrians prefer to live in government-controlled areas. When the “rebels” were finally driven out of East Aleppo in December 2016, 90 percent of civilians rushed into areas under government control.

In recent days, civilians from Latakia province who had been imprisoned by terrorists for the past three years have been liberated in a prisoner exchange. [This video shows Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his wife meeting with some of the civilians.]

A Video

The Amnesty report is accompanied by a three-minute propaganda cartoon that reinforces the narrative that Syrian civilians who protest peacefully are imprisoned and executed. Echoing the theme of the report, the animation is titled “Saydnaya Prison: Human Slaughterhouse.” Amnesty International appears to be in denial that there are tens of thousands of violent extremists in Syria, setting off car bombs, launching mortars and otherwise attacking civilian areas every day.

Given the national crisis – with so many violent jihadists to confront – it makes little sense that Syrian security or prison authorities would waste resources on non-violent civilians although that does not mean that the Syrian government has clean hands either. Mistakes and abuses surely happen in this war like all wars.

But the AI report is more like the propaganda that has surrounded the Syrian conflict from the beginning, lacking in balance and reminiscent of the “perception management” used to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the West’s assault on Libya in 2011. AI’s hyperbole is also contradicted by the fact that Syria has many opposition parties that compete for seats in the National Assembly and campaign openly for public support from both the right and left of the Baath Party.

AI’s claim that Syrian authorities brutally repress peaceful protests further ignores the Syrian reconciliation process. For the past several years, armed opposition militants have been encouraged to lay down their weapons and peacefully rejoin society, a program largely unreported in Western media because it contradicts the “black hat” narrative of the Syrian government. [A recent example is reported here.]

The Amnesty report cites the “Caesar” photographs as supporting evidence for its “slaughterhouse” accusations but ignores the fact that nearly half those photographs show the opposite of what was claimed. The widely publicized “Caesar photographs” was a Qatari-funded hoax designed to sabotage the 2014 Geneva negotiations as documented here.

While the Amnesty report makes many accusations against the Syrian government, AI ignores the violation of Syrian sovereignty being committed by Western and Gulf countries. It is a curious fact that big NGOs such as Amnesty International focus on violations of “human rights law” and “humanitarian law” but ignore the crime of aggression, also called the crime against peace.

According to the Nuremberg Tribunal, aggression is “the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” Former Nicaraguan Foreign Minister and former President of the U.N. General Assembly, Father Miguel D’Escoto, is someone who should know. He says, “What the U.S. government is doing in Syria is tantamount to a war of aggression, which, according to the Nuremberg Tribunal, is the worst possible crime a State can commit against another State.” Amnesty International ignores this reality.

Background and Context

The co-author of this Amnesty International report is Nicolette Waldman (Boehland), who was uncritically interviewed on DemocracyNow on Feb. 9. The background and previous work of Waldman shows the inter-connections between influential Washington “think tanks” and the billionaires’ foundations that fund “non-governmental organizations” – NGOs – that claim to be independent but are clearly not.

Waldman previously worked for the “Center for Civilians in Conflict,” which is directed by leaders from George Soros’s Open Society, the Soros-funded Human Rights Watch, Blackrock Solutions and the Center for a New American Security (CNAS).

CNAS may be the most significant indication of political orientation since it is led by Michele Flournoy, who was expected to become Secretary of Defense if Hillary Clinton had won the election. CNAS has been a leading force behind neoconservative and liberal-interventionist plans to escalate the war in Syria. While past work or associations do not always define new or future work, in this case the sensational and dubious accusations seem to align with those political goals. [soros’s Open Society has also provided funds to Amnesty International.]

So what to make of Amnesty International’s new report? The once widely respected human rights organization has, in the recent past, let itself be used as a propaganda tool to justify Western aggression against Iraq and Libya, which seems to be the role that AI is playing now in Syria.

The Amnesty International report is a mix of hearsay accusations and sensationalism that tracks with the Western propaganda themes that have surrounded the Syrian war from the start. Because of Amnesty’s undeserved reputation for independence and accuracy, the report has been picked up and broadcast widely. Liberal and supposedly progressive media outlets have joined in dutifully echoing the questionable accusations.

Little or no skepticism is applied when the target is the Syrian government, which has faced years of foreign-sponsored aggression. If this report justifies another escalation of the conflict, as Amnesty International seems to want, the group will again be serving as a rationalizer for Western aggression against Syria, just like it did in Iraq and Libya.

Rick Sterling is an investigative journalist based in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

 

Edited February 13, 2017 by slow

[hazard]

Mislim, onaj poslednji preživeli iz fima The Cube bi do sada to shvatio pa valjda možeš i ti.

 

'De ga nadje

[ObiW]

Kao ovi nasi sto su oslobadjali Kosovo i trpali u hladnjace.

 

 

Ratni zlocin je onda kad se cine ratni zlocini?

 

Imas neko manje debilno pitanje sa manje ociglednim odgovorom?

 

Ja uporno ponavljam ovu prvu recenicu sto si napisao zato sto si ti za sada prvi i jedini Srbin koji je na ovom forumu rekao da je pod jedan Kosovo 1999 godine oslobadjano (ko ga je tada okupirao?) a pod dva, da je ceo cin oslobadjanja Kosova isao ruku pod ruku sa ratnim zlocinima ("oslobadjali i trpali u hladnjace"). Sto nije moglo da se eto tako dogodi sa obzirom koliko dugo je sukjob trajao, nego su ratni zlocin morali biti deo plana za oslobadjanje. 

 

Zato si dobio drugo pitanje; dao sam ti konopac da se izvuces iz rupe u koju si se zakopao. Al' jok, insistiras da ti je u rupi udobno, i da sam ja glup sto ti pomazem. Verovatno si u pravu.

[ObiW]

da li je moguce da si bas ovoliki kreten?

 

 

pusti ljude, koliko malih belih zeka?

[Eraserhead]

To nije odgovor na pitanje koje ti je postavljeno. Pitanje je glasilo da li imaš neki nezavisan izvor za ovaj hlorin jer HRW nije nezavisan izvor. Oni deklarisano podržavaju jednu stranu u sukobu i to em u startu kompromituje njihove izveštaje em kreira nepotrebnu kontroverzu oko žrtava ove klanice.

To ako neko vrsi hemijske napade i ti kazes da je vrsio hemijske napade ne znaci da si stao na jednu stranu. HRW je odradio odlican posao u svetu u kome je sve vise ok zlocincima gledati kroz prste jer su sa druge strane nekakvi tamo "varvari".