Redoran Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, Krampa said: dokonim bogatim budalama. zasto da ne? Pa ne znam, ne bih ja polazio od toga da su blentavi klijenti bili bogati. Poenta je da ovakve stvari treba staviti van zakona. Ne možeš da spuštaš ljude na dno faking okeana u nekoj kanti koju si sklepao u garaži i da praviš biznis od toga. Rigorozan sertifikat i rigorozna inspekcija/testovi posle svakog zarona, pa naplati milion dolara. Ove lowcost varijante su siguran put u katastrofu. Ovo podseća na one likove što su onomad hteli da komercijalizuju/omasove penjanje na Everest, pa poveli čitavu ekipu nespremnih poluamatera i svi izginuli. 5
namenski Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 2 hours ago, vememah said: Neko je pitao kako izgleda kad se spakuju unutra, evo jedne fotke odranije, peti je verovatno slikao. Ovo je, sto se takozvanog elementarnog komforatm tice skoro da pozavide onim jadnicima sto se onomad podavise... Nije lako biti bogat...
x500 Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, namenski said: Ovo je, sto se takozvanog elementarnog komforatm tice skoro da pozavide onim jadnicima sto se onomad podavise... Nije lako biti bogat... Recimo ovi putnici na plovilu 2
vememah Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Quote Bob Ballard reacts to 'catastrophic implosion' of Titanic submersible Ballard, who discovered the Titanic wreck in 1985, weighs in on the Titanic sub implosion that killed all five people on board, including the CEO of OceanGate. Ballard: Quote We began taking vehicles into the deep sea [...] in 1960. We've made thousands and thousands of dives [...] and we've never had ever in the history of these extreme diving programs ever lost a vehicle, so this is the first, so you naturally go to how does this vehicle differ from the vehicles that we've been using for many years and it did have a very experimental hull and obviously that hull imploded. Quote Missing sub: 'It would have been immediate - milliseconds', says friend of passengers David Mearns, a rescue expert who knows two of the passengers on board Titan, says "they don't use phrases like debris field unless there's no chance of a recovery of the men alive". Quote What may have led to "catastrophic implosion" of Titanic sub? The Coast Guard confirmed Thursday they'd found debris that indicated the missing sub that was exploring the wreck of the Titanic had suffered a "catastrophic implosion," killing all five on board. Stefano Brizzolara, an ocean engineering expert and co-director of the Virginia Tech Center for Marine Autonomy and Robotics, joined CBS News to talk about what may have caused the implosion. Edited June 22, 2023 by vememah 2
vememah Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Will Kohnen, Marine Technology Society: Quote There are only 10 vehicles in the whole world that can go 4,000 meters or deeper, and all of them are certified, except the Titan. Spoiler Search for missing Titanic sub reaches tragic end with all 5 on board dead The U.S. Coast Guard confirmed Thursday the missing submersible in the North Atlantic Ocean was destroyed in a "catastrophic implosion." Its debris was found on the ocean floor near the Titanic and all five people aboard were killed. William Brangham discussed the accident and what it could mean going forward with Jules Jaffe of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Edited June 22, 2023 by vememah
noskich Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Radoye said: Nije vezano za ovo bogatuni u podmornici vs sirotinja na brodu, ali zapravo jeste. Naime, jedna moja prijateljica pristigla u Kanadu polovinom 90-tih kao izbeglica; spopale je zdravstvene tegobe, test ovaj, test onaj - i padne dijagnoza koju niko ne zeli da cuje. Ode na hemioterapiju, i na svu srecu pregrmi sve to. Prodje par godina, u medjuvremenu ona vredno radi i napreduje, progura se na neke bitne polozaje u jednoj velikoj multinacionalnoj kompaniji, vrlo sposobna i vredna osoba je u pitanju, jedna od onih sto nameri to i izgura. Ali avaj, bolest se vrati. I sad, pristigne ona u onkolosku bolnicu i lekar krene da joj se izvinjava "znate, prvi put vam nije sve radjeno kako treba pa ovaj put moze biti komplikacija". Kakozasto pita ona, i dobi odgovor - "zato sto ste onda bili sirotinja izbeglica a ne valuable member of society"... U Kanadi. Koja se ponosi svojim socijalizovanim zdravstvom koje tretira sve jednako. Doduse, sto si dalje od plavokos-plavook strane spektra varijacija medju ljudskom populacijom, sve vise postajes svestan da to bas i nije tako ali to je drugi par carapa... Na srecu pretekla i ovaj put ali joj je receno da ako se bolest vrati i treci put da ne mogu vise apsolutno nista da ucine za nju. Navodno, prvi put nije ni dijagnoza uradjena kako treba i samo je odluceno da je napumpaju do maksimuma hemijom pa ako je to ne ubije valjda ce je izleciti. A postoji neki ukupni maksimum koliko toga ljudski organizam moze da podnese za zivota i ako se premasi ubije te jos brze nego bolest. I tako ona sa tim drugim tretmanom (koji je kao pazljivo radjen) je dogurala do tog lifetime maximuma i nema vise dalje... (E sad ja definitivno nisam strucnjak za medicinu, prepricavam kako sam cuo posto kupio tako i prodao...) I tako, odgovor se sam namece - u svetu u kome zivimo i njegovim aktuelnim vrednostima, ko je kriv mediteranskim izbeglicama sto su odabrali da budu rodjeni gde vec jesu i da budu sirotinja umesto k'o sav normalan svet da budu milioneri, pa da se neko i nad njihovom sudbinom zainteresuje! Jer demokracija i ljucka prava!
ragasto Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Bizarnostima nema kraja... Supruga ovog magarca koji je voleo da krši pravila projektovanja je čukununuka jednog od najpoznatijih parova sa Titanika:
nera Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Mozda mu je to bilo i deo neke motivacije… No, citala biografije ovih petoro, pa taj CEO je aerospace engineer, test pilot i sta sve ne, neko ko je apsolutno znao sta rizikuje. Ovaj drugi Harding je isto iskusan sa rizicnim avanturama i bio je sa Viktorom Veskovom do dna Mariana Trench. Treci je istrazivac sa iskustvom. Ali mozda je i to najopasnije, vec su probijali granice ‘moguceg’ ranije uspesno pa ko veli i sad ce biti Jedino ovaj pakistanac, tragac za inteligentnim zivotom van zemlje sto je u ofsajdu. Najzalije mi je klinca koji je krenuo da zadavolji caleta iako ga je bilo strah. I naravno njegove majke koja cisto sumnjam da je bila za ideju da klinac ide. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-on-missing-titanic-submarine-passengers-hamish-harding-shahzada-dawood/ 5 1
Redoran Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, nera said: pa taj CEO je aerospace engineer, test pilot i sta sve ne, neko ko je apsolutno znao sta rizikuje. Mala korekcija: mislio je da zna šta rizikuje. Opitni piloti su po definiciji najoprezniji ljudi koji postoje, s tim da neke od njih profesija izdeformiše u nerealno samouverene dileje. U to umešaš malo iluzija o “disruptive” prečicama za hakovanje i zajebanciju sa ekstremno ozbiljnim stvarima, i eto smrtonosnog koktela. 2
Amos Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Redoran said: Onesposobio ih je retard koji je posle prve misije bio ubedjen da je pokidao sa svojom inovativnošću. Ja mislim da je najviše bio oduševljen svojom inovativnošću uštede. Verovatno od onih što protokole smatra gubitkom vremena i ne zna zašto ljudi bacaju toliko para na fensi opremu. 4
vememah Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 Kameron se u svojoj podmornici sam 2012. spustio do Čelendžerovog bezdana (dela Marijanskog rova u Tihom okeanu), najdublje tačke svetskog mora na oko 11 km dubine. To je bilo drugo spuštanje ljudi tamo posle spuštanja Žaka Pikara i Dona Volša 1960. batiskafom Trst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger
vememah Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Quote Second, tourist subs, which could once be skippered by anyone with a U.S. Coast Guard captain’s license, were regulated by the Passenger Vessel Safety Act of 1993, which imposed rigorous new manufacturing and inspection requirements and prohibited dives below 150 feet. The law was well-meaning, [OceanGate CEO Stockton] Rush says, but he believes it needlessly prioritized passenger safety over commercial innovation (a position a less adventurous submariner might find open to debate). “There hasn’t been an injury in the commercial sub industry in over 35 years. It’s obscenely safe, because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn’t innovated or grown—because they have all these regulations.” The U.S. government, meanwhile, has continued to favor space exploration over ocean research: NASA today gets about $10.5 billion annually for exploration, while NOAA’s Office of Ocean Exploration and Research is allotted less than $50 million—a triumph of “emotion over logic,” Rush says. “Half of the United States is underwater, and we haven’t even mapped it!” https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/worlds-first-deep-diving-submarine-plans-tourists-see-titanic-180972179/ U članku inače piše da je sporni prozor na Titanu (nesertifikovan za dubinu na kojoj je Titanik) zbog kojeg je onaj lik otpušten iz firme bio najveći od svih privatnih podmornica. Quote “I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General [Douglas] MacArthur who said, ‘You're remembered for the rules you break. And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me,” [OceanGate CEO Stockton] Rush said in the [CBS] interview [2011]. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/06/23/oceangate-ceo-said-in-2021-ive-broken-some-rules-in-building-titanic-sub-that-later-imploded/?sh=311562327ae5 BBC objavio deo Rašove prepiske s otpuštenim bezbednosnim inženjerom, rekao da su kritike da će nekoga ubiti jer radi na svoju ruku ne poštujući propise bez ikakvog osnova i veoma uvredljive: Inženjer: Quote I think you are potentially placing yourself and your clients in a dangerous dynamic. In your race to Titanic you are mirroring that famous catch cry: 'She is unsinkable'. Raš: Quote We have heard the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone' way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65998914 Edited June 23, 2023 by vememah 1
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