Vakcinacija

[Zli Gli]

Zato sto je mnogo nevakcinisanih njenih godina i dobrog zdravlja prelezalo lagano? Zato sto joj je bilo jako lose ta dva meseca pa joj preselo? Sto ljudi, sto cudi.

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[Filozof manijak]

Jel išla kod doktora da vidi šta joj je, ili je ono - sama zaključila da joj je to od vakcine?

 

 

 

[Zli Gli]

Ovo su ljudi u ozbiljnoj lovi, imaju privatne lekare i sve po redu i generalno je zdrava 100%, ne sumnjam da je utvrdjeno sve sto treba. Ja svakako nemam nista od toga da izmisljam na nekom forumu, ona jos manje da me laze a mi opet dolazimo na pricu da koliko su i ti aktivni antivakseri naporni u odbijanju prihvatanja cinjenica, toliko i vi ispadate takvi sa ovim dodatnim pitanjima.


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[Filozof manijak]

Pa meni je logično da pitam, pošto ljudi lažu ćim zinu, posebno za neke ovakv slučajeve.

Rekla mi jedan riba iz Mitrovice za mene nikako nije činjnica.

 

i ja znam za lika koji je imao reakciju na vakcinu, na kraju se ispostavilo da je imao upalu grla kad je išao da je primi. Jbg, činjenice.

[Zli Gli]

Posteno. Eto kazem ti, isla je da proveri, oni i za sebe i decu cimaju doktore i to ne lokalno nego sve najbolji po BG i kojekuda, i sve joj je bilo ok. Desava se, ocigledno.

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[Filozof manijak]

Slažem se i ja, može se svašta desiti svakom. Ali to ne znači da će se svakom desiti i da se ravnamo na osnovu pojedinačnog slučaja. Dok s druge strane imamo milione slučajeva koji pokazuju suprotno, ali se to ne uzima u računicu.

[adam]

15 hours ago, harper said:

 

Druze, hajde da ne tupimo kurac nego da lepo priznate da ste svi potrcali da se vakcinisete ne iz bilo kakvih principa, ne zbog javnog zdravlja, ne zbog altruizma, ne zato sto ste zabrinuti hoce li bolnice biti pune ili nece, vec iskljucivo zbog toga da sacuvate sopstveno dupe od korone. Kurac moj ste se svi registrovali da stanete u red za vakcinu cim je bilo moguce jer ste brinuli svetsku muku i ceptali od straha za javno zdravlje. I ja sam isto uradio iz istih razloga, samo ne lazem sebe da je drugacije. Uostalom, omikron je pokazao da trenutne vakcine imaju samo tu jednu svrhu koja je ionako svima bila svrha od pocetka - sopstveni interes. Batalite me s tim moralisanjem, idolatrijom i pseudoideoloskim buncanjem oko jebenih vakcina, ne kupujem tu pricu. I sta sad, treba da stanem u red sebicnih pljuvaca na Djokovica zbog toga sto on smatra da je njegov licni interes u necemu drugom? Pa, jebo te, citao sam ja onaj gore podforum i pre nego sto su se vakcine pojavile, koliko mislis da sam glup pa da ne znam sta je svima bilo prvo na pameti.

 

daleko od toga da je problem sto su se razni vakcinisali da bi zastiti sebe ali ima i te kako veliki broj ljudi koji su trcali da se vakcinisu da ne bi zarazili roditelje, familiju, komsije, prijatelje, kolege... odlucili da ne nose nikog na dusi, bar ne svojim izborom. 

 

nije javno zdravlje neki imaginarni skup ljudi sa interneta nego su to bas najmiliji, ljudi koji nam znace, ljudi za koje se zrtvujemo i o kojima brinemo svaki jebeni dan.

 

al eto, kad je neko sebican i samo na sebe i svoje dupe misli, ima potrebu da umisli da su bas svi takvi i da je sve ostalo laz i pretvaranje. valjda je tako lakse. 

[I*m with the pilots]

Mozda je vreme da se ova tema zatvori.

 

[Caligula]

17 hours ago, harper said:

 

Druze, hajde da ne tupimo kurac nego da lepo priznate da ste svi potrcali da se vakcinisete ne iz bilo kakvih principa, ne zbog javnog zdravlja, ne zbog altruizma, ne zato sto ste zabrinuti hoce li bolnice biti pune ili nece, vec iskljucivo zbog toga da sacuvate sopstveno dupe od korone.

 

 

Brt otrcao sam po vakcinu sa ogromnim olaksanjem. Valjda nije sporno da su se 40+ ljudi prvenstveno vakcinisali, kako ti to formulises, da sacuvaju sopstveno dupe. Mozda vecina, mozda pola/pola. Doduse i suprugu sam provukao tog dana (kasnije se prijavila) pa smo se zajedno vakcinisali jer je bilo viska doza, dakle i njeno dupe mi se dopada.

 

Ali bilo bi lepo pitati one ispod trideset godina koji su njihovi jebeni razlozi, ne moze biti da su svi picke ko mi matori. To je svakako neka plemenita osobina jer u kuci otac dijabeticar, ili baka i deda od 80 godina.

 

Poturas sasvim pogresno pricu o individualnim motivima - ali teziste imunizacije nije na udovoljavanju svakome nego na sprecavanju zaraze. Zabole drzavu koja bi da imunizuje koji su ti motivi, drzavi je bitno da napravi dovoljno gusto sito kroz koje ce virus tesko prolaziti do najugrozenijih.

 

Dakle ja sam (recimo iz sebicnih razloga) valjda ne zeleci, nehotice, omaklo mi se, zastitio i druge od sebe. Malo li je.

 

Sto se Omikrona tice, i to je kukavicje jjaje ovde iz dva razloga - prvo, "nazeb" od kojeg takodje umiru stariji se u Srbiji pojavio otprilike u vreme Novakovog laziranja PCRa (zvanicno desetak dana posle toga) a drugo - to je mutacija nastala enormnim sirenjem virusa zahvaljujuci pre svega nedostatku mera i slaboj vakcinaciji.

 

No rekoh vec gore, svi smo sada epidemiolozi, mozemo da tupimo iz kojeg god ugla.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Caligula

[אַף אֶחָד]

13 hours ago, Zli Gli said:

Sve je ok sto si napisao osim ovih navodnika na "imao probleme". Ne znam da li generalno ne verujes da je moguce da vakcina ima nuspojave pa zato navodnici (sto je cest slucaj medju vakcinisanima, kao sto neki nevakcinisani misle da ce umreti/biti cipovani) ali ova drugarica o kojoj je rec stvarno nije antivakser nego je odustala posle druge doze zbog pomenutog dvomesecnog problema sa disanjem. Prosto, bitan joj je taj sport, bukvalno 365 dana godisnje je u tom filmu i izmedju rizika od kacenja korone na potpuno zdrav organizam sa manje od 40 godina i toga da joj se desi opet nesto slicno od vakcine na dva ili koliko meseci, izabrala je rizik broj jedan.

Samo kazem da vakcine nisu svima idealne, nista drugo.

 

"Imao probleme" se nije odnosilo na tvoju drugaricu, vec na onog tenisera.

 

A kljucno je ono sto ti je neko dole napisao. Rizicne grupe za vakcinaciju su u velikoj meri i rizicne za koronu.

[cedo]

23 hours ago, I*m with the pilots said:

Mozda je vreme da se ova tema zatvori.

 

 

 

a nije

 

od danas obavezna vakcinacija u austriji

 

Денеска во Австрија стапи на сила законот за задолжитена вакцина против ковид за сите полнолетни граѓани.

 

 

evo i lista drzava

 

ALL ADULTS

** AUSTRIA: all over 14s from February 2022; holdouts can be fined up to 3,600 euros every 3 months read more

** ECUADOR: obligatory, except for people who have a relevant medical condition or incompatibility read more

** GERMANY: plans to make mandatory for all adults from February read more

** INDONESIA: all adults, with fines or refusal of social assistance or government services for the unvaccinated.

** MICRONESIA: all adults

** TAJIKISTAN: all over 18s

** TURKMENISTAN: all over 18s

GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS

** CANADA: all federally regulated workplaces from early 2022

** COSTA RICA: all state workers read more

** CROATIA: all public sector employees, citizens who need services in public institutions read more

** CZECH REPUBLIC: police officers, soldiers and some other professions from March read more

** DENMARK: workplaces allowed to require a digital "corona pass" for employees

** EGYPT: vaccination or weekly COVID-19 test required from public sector employees to work in government buildings read more

** FIJI: public servants, employees at private firms

** FRANCE: public officials or employees, including civil security pilots, flight personnel providing care for victims, soldiers permanently assigned to civil security missions, firefighters

** GHANA: targeted groups including all public sector and health workers from Jan. 22 read more

** HUNGARY: employees at state institutions read more

** ITALY: all workers, school staff, police, military read more

** LATVIA: required for lawmakers to be able to vote and to receive full pay; businesses allowed to fire unvaccinated workers read more

** LEBANON: all civil servants and workers in the education, tourism and public transport sectors from Jan. 10 read more

** NEW ZEALAND: workers of border, prison, police and defence force sectors; education sector by Jan. 1 read more

** OMAN: public or private sector employees for entry to workplace read more

** POLAND: teachers, security personnel and uniformed services from March 1, 2022

** RUSSIA: workers with public-facing roles in Moscow; read more

** SAUDI ARABIA: public and private sector workers wishing to attend a workplace; people entering government, private, or educational establishments

** TUNISIA: officials, employees and visitors accessing public and private administrations read more

** TURKEY: some sectors including teachers and domestic travel employees read more

** UKRAINE: public sector employees including teachers read more ; extension to medical personnel and municipal employees under consideration read more

** UNITED STATES: all federal workers, contractors (temporarily blocked from enforcing nationwide), private sector workers in companies with 100 or more employees (reinstated on Dec. 18), public-sector workers (contested in New York court) read more

HEALTH WORKERS

** AUSTRALIA: high-risk aged-care workers, employees in quarantine hotels

** BRITAIN: care home staff in England, health workers in England by April 1 read more

** CROATIA: health and social care workers read more

** CZECH REPUBLIC: hospitals and nursing homes employees from March 2022 read more

** FINLAND: plans to make vaccines mandatory for health and social care workers read more

** FRANCE: healthcare and care home workers, home aids and urgent care technicians

** GERMANY: workers of hospitals, doctor's offices and nursing homes by mid-March. read more

** GREECE: nursing home staff, healthcare workers

** HUNGARY: healthcare workers read more

** LEBANON: health sectors from Jan. 10, 2022 read more

** NEW ZEALAND: health and disability sector workers read more

** POLAND: health care workers from March 1, 2022

OTHER WORKERS

** Western Australia: employees of mining, oil and gas exploration sectors by Jan. 1, 2022 read more

** CHINA: booster shot required in Beijing for key workers on construction sites, including cooks, security guards and cleaning personnel read more

** PHILIPPINES: in-office workers and employees in public transportation services read more

** KAZAKHSTAN: mandatory vaccinations or weekly testing for people working in groups of more than 20

CHILDREN

** COSTA RICA: over 5s read more

** LITHUANIA: over 16s, considering for over 12s

ELDERLY

** CZECH REPUBLIC: over 60s from March read more

** GREECE: over 60s read more

** MALAYSIA: over 60s and all adult recipients of the Sinovac vaccine required to get a booster dose by Feb. read more

** RUSSIA: over 60s and chronically ill in St. Petersburg

ENTRY TO PUBLIC VENUES

** AUSTRIA: public places including restaurants, hotels, theatres and ski lifts read more

** BRITAIN: vaccination or negative test for all over-18s at night clubs and other venues in Scotland; at nightclubs, some indoor and outdoor unseated venues and all venues with more than 10,000 people in England

** BULGARIA: "health pass" for visitors of public venues such as cafes, hotels, concert halls, museums and swimming pools read more

** CZECH REPUBLIC: vaccination certificates or testing status required at restaurants and clubs read more

** DENMARK: health pass required for entry to indoor bars, restaurants and other public places read more

** EGYPT: vaccination mandatory for public university students to access campuses read more

** FRANCE: health pass required for restaurants, cafes, cinemas and museums, other public venues. Health pass will be transformed into a vaccination pass, mandatory for some professionals and for entry to cinemas and bars from first half of Jan.

** GERMANY: vaccination required for all but the most essential businesses such as grocery stores, pharmacies and bakeries read more

** ITALY: vaccination required for indoor seating at bars, restaurants, visiting museums, cinemas, clubs, attending sporting events; basic green health pass obligatory for all public transport read more

** KENYA: court temporarily halted vaccination requirement by Dec. 21 to access public services including schools, transport services, immigration and other state offices, hotels, bars, restaurants, national parks, wildlife reserves read more

** LEBANON: vaccine certificate or antibody tests required for entry to restaurants, cafes, pubs and beaches

** MOROCCO: vaccine required for access to all government buildings, spaces such as cafes, restaurants, cinemas, gyms, transportation

** NETHERLANDS: health pass mandatory to enter bars, restaurants, clubs or cultural events read more

** ROMANIA: health pass, negative COVID-19 test or proof of recovery mandatory for entry to most public venues including majority of non-essential ones read more

** SERBIA: health pass mandatory to visit indoor cafes, hotels and restaurants after 10 p.m. read more

** SINGAPORE: vaccination necessary to enter shopping malls; considers requiring a booster shot to qualify as fully vaccinated read more

** SWITZERLAND: proof of vaccination, recovery or a negative test required to access bars, restaurants and fitness centres read more

** SOUTH KOREA: vaccine pass mandatory to access 14 designated public spaces, including hospitality and entertainment venues; requirement extended to over 12s from February read more

** SWEDEN: vaccine passes required for indoor events with more than 100 people; to be extended to smaller gatherings, such as in restaurants.

** UKRAINE: restrictions for unvaccinated on access to restaurants, sports and other public events read more

Edited February 1, 2022 by cedo

[đorđe geprat]

evo, maločas je šekler, vrlo emotivno i uzbuđeno, pomenuo mlađariju koja neće da se vakciniše zbog, kako reče, gluposti - strah od steriliteta, kako su zbog pokretljivosti lajlakši prenosioci virusa i ne razmišljaju o sopstvenim babama i dedama koji su najranjivija grupa, koja zbog opšteg zdravstvenog stanja uz omikron može lako da ode "bogu na istinu".

 

moji potomci su vakcinacijom zaštiitili svoje guzove a i naše. sada je samo do mene da izbegnem sve prečice za instalaciju.

Edited February 1, 2022 by djordje geprat

[braca]

Strah od steriliteta je notorna glupost, tj samo izgovor, u stilu “nisam antivax, ali ova vakcina bla bla…”

 

Ćerka mi je zatrudnela posle dva Fajzera, booster primila u već poodmakloj trudnoći, treba uskoro da se porodi.

[I*m with the pilots]

3 hours ago, braca said:

Strah od steriliteta je notorna glupost, tj samo izgovor, u stilu “nisam antivax, ali ova vakcina bla bla…”

 

Ćerka mi je zatrudnela posle dva Fajzera, booster primila u već poodmakloj trudnoći, treba uskoro da se porodi.

 

Ispravna odluka cerke, sve najbolje!

[cartman]

3 hours ago, braca said:

Strah od steriliteta je notorna glupost, tj samo izgovor, u stilu “nisam antivax, ali ova vakcina bla bla…”

 

Ćerka mi je zatrudnela posle dva Fajzera, booster primila u već poodmakloj trudnoći, treba uskoro da se porodi.

Pisao sam vec ovde ... Sestra posle 2 kineza zatrudnela (zet isto 2x sinofarm) , booster u sedmom mesecu... evo ga sestric mesec dana zdrav i prav