Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[Jozef K.]

4 minutes ago, Duhovnost, ljubav i med said:

Mislio sam na socijalno nekretanje... lupam sad, ako je u Srbiji bilo 10 sojeva virusa, a od toga 9 ne uspeva da se dugo održi van "domaćina", onda bismo uzgojili / selektivali onaj 10-ti, najotporniji i najžilaviji... Nije nemoguće?

Ne. Odgojili smo onaj koji se najbolje prilagodio i koji je stvarao laganu kliničku sliku. Onda kada smo pustili i krili dopustili smo da se u opticaj vrati teži oblik. Mi svojim ponašanjem određujemo jačinu virusa koji je u opticaju.

[Anonymous]

47 minutes ago, Jozef K. said:

Ne. Odgojili smo onaj koji se najbolje prilagodio i koji je stvarao laganu kliničku sliku. Onda kada smo pustili i krili dopustili smo da se u opticaj vrati teži oblik. Mi svojim ponašanjem određujemo jačinu virusa koji je u opticaju.

 

Ovaj, to za teži oblik u Srbiji su lupetanja nekog italijanskog gradonačelika (Venecija?) za koje su italijanski doktori rekli da je najobičnije prebacivanje odgovornosti na drugog.

 

Ili sam nešto propustio?

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Anonymous

[Tsai]

neki njihov Nestorini, Nestorello... kako god

[banecare1]

nisam se dugo javljao iz kine. 

 

danasnji voz iz pekinga za sangaj bez slobodnog mesta. nisam video da je neko bio bez maske. 

 

(7/28 8.31am) Beijing's Zero Cases Streak Once Again Broken: After having no reported cases for 21 days, Beijing has once again recorded new infections in the city - an imported case and a local case that is connected to the recent outbreak in Dalian. Thankfully, there are no new asymptomatic cases and 14 more patients were discharged from the hospital, according to the daily report from the Beijing Municipal Health Commission.

(Source: Beijinger)

 

drugar je bio u dalianu. njega i sve kineze, koji su bili sa njim su zvali iz organa sa pitanjima gde su bili, s kim su kontaktirali

 

 

 

 

[Jozef K.]

6 hours ago, Anonymous said:

 

Ovaj, to za teži oblik u Srbiji su lupetanja nekog italijanskog gradonačelika (Venecija?) za koje su italijanski doktori rekli da je najobičnije prebacivanje odgovornosti na drugog.

 

Ili sam nešto propustio?

 

 

Da. Guverner Veneta. Ma jasno je da ako pustiš virus kroz populaciju da verovatnoća radi koliko će bti teških slučajeva, koliko sa smrtnim ishodom i onda naravno da izgleda da je  neki mnogo gadan soj. Kao što je u martu strašno izgledao virus u Italiji, a sada govore o blagoj slici. U suštini isključivo zavisi od ponašanja ljudi, a virus je isti. To se makar zna za sada.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Jozef K.

[Caligula]

10 hours ago, Kelt said:

 

Ovo je usko specifično pitanje koje ni ne treba nešto da zanima širu javnost.

 

Ma sve OK, nego ona iz Vinche juce pricala o nekim istrazivanjima tipa sa maskom manje virusa prolazi do sluzokoze pa je (sa maskom) laksa klinicka slika. Nije pravilo ali je statistika.

 

Zato pitam, to vec ima veze sa sirom javnosti

[Borisha]

2 hours ago, Caligula said:

 

Ma sve OK, nego ona iz Vinche juce pricala o nekim istrazivanjima tipa sa maskom manje virusa prolazi do sluzokoze pa je (sa maskom) laksa klinicka slika. Nije pravilo ali je statistika.

 

Zato pitam, to vec ima veze sa sirom javnosti

Ja sam razumeo da je to jedno od objasnjenja zasto je mnogo mladih lekara brzo umrlo u Kini u pocetku epidemije. Bili su izlozeni velikoj kolicini virusa. 

 

Mislim da nemaju objasnjenje zasto je to tako, ali da prosto deluje da jeste.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Borisha

[Aleksija]

5 hours ago, Caligula said:

 

Ma sve OK, nego ona iz Vinche juce pricala o nekim istrazivanjima tipa sa maskom manje virusa prolazi do sluzokoze pa je (sa maskom) laksa klinicka slika. Nije pravilo ali je statistika.

 

Zato pitam, to vec ima veze sa sirom javnosti

osim sto deluje logicno, skoro u svim izvorima na koje sam naisla u poslednje vreme se to vec pominje kao podrazumevano.

verovatno u nekim tekstovima blize pocetku pandemije postoje i istrazivanja koja su se time bavila - jedino to bi dalo pravi odgovor.

 

 

[vememah]

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Health officials in the [Swiss] canton of Graubünden studying a recent outbreak among staff at a hotel found a worrying trend - all of those who were infected wore plastic face shields, while those who avoided infection wore face masks. 

Several employees of the hotel tested positive along with a guest. 

Rudolf Leuthold, head of the cantonal health department in Graubünden, said the face shields were the common denominator in infections.

“It has been shown that only those employees who had plastic visors were infected. There was not a single infection among employees with a mask.” 

 

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields

[vememah]

 

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78% of COVID-19 patients show signs of heart damage after recovery

 

Michael Walter | July 27, 2020 | Cardiovascular Imaging

 

Cardiac involvement and myocardial inflammation are common in recovered COVID-19 patients, according to a new study published in JAMA Cardiology.

The authors studied cardiac imaging results of 100 adult patients included in the University Hospital Frankfurt COVID-19 Registry. All patients had confirmed cases of COVID-19 but passed a swab test after at least two weeks in isolation. They were recruited for this analysis between April to June 2020.

The team tracked patients who had experienced a wide variety of outcomes after their diagnosis. Just two of the 100 patients had to undergo mechanical ventilation, for example, and oxygen supplementation was required in 28 patients.

All participants underwent cardiac MR imaging using “standardized and unified” protocols on 3T MRI scanners. The cohort was compared with 50 healthy control patients and 57 risk factor-matched patients.

Overall, the team found that 78 patients had abnormal imaging findings. Findings included raised myocardial native T1 (73 patients), raised myocardial native T2 (60 patients), myocardial late gadolinium enhancement (32 patients) and pericardial enhancement (22 patients). Three patients underwent a biopsy after severe abnormalities were detected; “active lymphocytic inflammation” was present in these patients, but “no evidence of any viral genome.”

 

“The results of our study provide important insights into the prevalence of cardiovascular involvement in the early convalescent stage,” wrote lead author Valentina O. Puntmann, MD, PhD, University Hospital Frankfurt in Germany, and colleagues. “Our findings demonstrate that participants with a relative paucity of preexisting cardiovascular condition and with mostly home-based recovery had frequent cardiac inflammatory involvement, which was similar to the hospitalized subgroup with regards to severity and extent. Our observations are concordant with early case reports in hospitalized patients showing a frequent presence of late gadolinium enhancement, diffuse inflammatory involvement, and significant rise of troponin T levels.”

In addition, the team wrote, cardiac involvement appears to occur independent of the severity of the original COVID-19 infection. Additional research with a larger cohort is necessary, they added.

The full study from JAMA Cardiology is available here.

 

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/cardiovascular-imaging/78-covid-19-patients-heart-damage-recovery

 

[Caligula]

Jebote vise necu da citam ovo.

 

Uzas.

[Tsai]

Ma daj, ovo je previse. 

Nemoguce

[beeva]

Ovde u BIH u mom mjestu dva klastera. Jedan je da je stomatološka sestra javnog dz prvo bila na sahrani u Srbiji, a onda po povratku nakon par dana napravila feštu povodom krštenja sa 50+ ljudi. Na kraju se ispostavilo da je i jedan od dva pedijatra bio na fešti a obje su 30+ staž.. Drugi je naravno iz fitnes centra, i širenje virusa je nevjerovatno brzo.. 70% kontakata je već aj zdravo bolesno.

 

 

Послато са Redmi Note 5 помоћу Тапатока

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vememah]

1 hour ago, Tsai said:

Ma daj, ovo je previse. 

Nemoguce

Jbg, piše da su neprobrani i da se 2/3 pacijenata kod kuće oporavljalo od virusa pri čemu nezanemarljiv broj uopšte nije imao simptome.

 

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An unselected cohort of 100 patients who recently recovered from COVID-19 infection were included, of which 53 (53%) were male, and the median (IQR) age was 49 (45-53) years. Baseline characteristics are provided in Table 1. Most patients recovered at home (n = 67), with severity of the acute COVID-19 illness ranging from asymptomatic (n = 18) to minor to moderate symptoms (n = 49). A total of 33 severely unwell patients (33%) required hospitalization. In this group, 2 patients (2%) underwent mechanical ventilation, and 17 (17%) underwent noninvasive ventilation with positive airway pressure. Oxygen supplementation was required in 28 patients. In addition to respiratory support, patients received antiviral (n = 1), antibiotic (n = 15), and steroid (n = 8) therapy. Treatment with hydrochloroquinewas initiated in a single patient but discontinuedwithin days due to severe leukopenia. During hospitalization, a significant rise (13.9 pg/mL or greater) in hsTnT values was documented in 15 patients (15%). Preexisting cardiovascular conditions included hypertension, diabetes, and known coronary artery disease but no previously known heart failure or cardiomyopathy. Other significant conditions included asthma (n = 10) and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (n = 11). All preexisting conditions were similarly distributed between patients who recovered at home vs hospitalized.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

[Tsai]

Pa brate ako je to istina, 70% ljudi ce izaci osakaceni iz ovoga. Onda treba stvarno da nas zakljucaju do vakcine