Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[duda]

danas ovde kad sam vam prenela neke vesti iz holandije (da mnogi kritični slučajevi ni ne idu na intenzivnu) ste me napušili da je to netačno

evo vam članak na holandskom pa čitajte

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2020/03/20/als-je-overlevingskans-klein-is-beland-je-in-nederland-niet-op-de-intensive-care-a3994450?fbclid=IwAR39Ywmw0RhTFsL5biDQuvPf8kNNnBqvtPIVDn1EorE-tqGm1LUynZm8jCs

 

smernica je da se stariji od 70 ne šalju na intenzivnu

pola onih koji ode na respirato umre, pola ne može više da se stara o sebi , šta znam, ima tu puno detalja

[Krošek]

to se radi iz etickih razloga, sa slicnog polazista kao kod eutanazije. holandjani su dosta progresivni u tom pogledu. ne radi o dostupnosti intenzivne nege i respiratora. ova vrlo ozbiljna tema je izvan scope-a onoga o cemu ljudi trenutno razmisljaju, pa te verovatno zato nisu shvatili 

 

evo ga sa deepl:

 

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Of the 106 corona patients who died so far in the Netherlands, only 19 died in intensive care. The others did not get there. Who died in a nursing ward of the hospital or in the nursing home. This is due to Dutch policy: intensive care physicians only admit a patient if they estimate that this makes sense. Proportionality', that's what it's called: does the burden of days or weeks of lying still, on all kinds of machines, outweigh the chance that the patient will benefit? Nardo van der Meer, intensive care physician at the Amphia Hospital in Breda: "If the answer is 'yes', we do it. Even if we have doubts. If the answer is clearly 'no', we don't do it. We strongly consider what the patient and his or her relatives want. That policy is no different for corona patients."

Do you want ventilation?
Usually there's a little more time to discuss the near future with the patient. The coronavirus can kill someone who still lives at home and rarely thinks about dying in seven days. But even within a week that conversation will be held, says Van der Meer. If the conversation with the patient is unsuccessful, the doctor will treat the patient anyway. "Then we'll try. Usually the treating specialist - a lung specialist or internist - has that conversation earlier. If you suddenly get so bad that we have to breathe, - that happens in the ICU - do you want that? Often old people answer: 'Not if I become a greenhouse plant. I don't want to end up behind the geraniums. If I have a good chance of getting out, then I do.' The treating specialist then discusses with us: what is still medically possible? We have a lot of research showing what is possible and what is not".

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[cedo]

18 minutes ago, Krošek said:

 

0312 1% Fauci https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/dr-fauci-and-other-cdc-nih-officials-testify-on-coronavirus-march-11

0315 1% Fauci https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-march-15-2020/

 

0319 1.4% studija

juzna koreja danas 1.16%

 

zbog superiornog testiranja u juznoj koreji iz cega ishodi ranije otkrivanje i prijem slucajeva, tamo je stopa smrtnosti niza od globalnog proseka, moje misljenje. nije dramaticna razlika, ali koji promil

 

 

prva dva linka je Fauci ... gde pretpostavlja da je 1% zbog asimptotskih i onih sa umerenim simptomima

nisam siguran da to deli registriranu smrtnost sa 3 ili 4

pre ce biti sa 2 ... ako se setis kineske stucije o deci zarazenoj koronom, pola je bilo asimptotskih i mild simptoma ... a pola moderate, severe i critical

posto deca, kako kazu najlakse podnose, ne verujem da odrasli popravljaju taj odnos u smislu da je vise asimptotskih i mild 

 

 

ovo ne mogu da nadjem: 0319 1.4% studija

 

[duda]

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

 

ed.

scenariji iliti , moramo na zatiranje a ne na ublažavanje

Edited March 21, 2020 by dùda

[Krošek]

@cedo1.4% studija je linkovana u postu, izvoli https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0822-7

Edited March 21, 2020 by Krošek

[cedo]

Just now, Krošek said:

@cedo1.4% studija je linkovana u postu, izvoli https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0822-7

 

hvala ... klik tamo me vodi na prvi post teme

[Godfrey]

Da li neko zna kada je u Milanu zaustavljen javni saobraćaj?

[Budja]

On 20.3.2020. at 17:22, Budja said:

 

ovo je bilo u deset ujutru po ekvadorskom vremenu.

 

ovo je u cetiri po ekvadorskom vremenu. + 59

 

 

 

Juce 426

Danas 532

+106

1.25 faktor

 

Gvajakil juce: 318

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+81

1.25 faktor

 

Kito juce: 35

Kito danas: 50

faktor 1.42

 

not good

[theanswer]

Konte se obraća naciji trenutno. Zatvaraju se sve fabrike osim esencijalnih. 

[Lo Zingaro]

5 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

Da li neko zna kada je u Milanu zaustavljen javni saobraćaj?

Nikada 

[Godfrey]

Just now, lo zingaro said:

Nikada 

Jebote.

[Lo Zingaro]

2 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

Jebote.

Ovo je snimak pre 4 dana

 

 

[Godfrey]

Ovo potpuno neverovatno deluje.

Hvala lo zingaro

[theanswer]

Ni posle večerašnjeg Konteovog obraćanja se ne gasi gradski prevoz

[Friend]

Posto po nekim stvarima Italija se razlikuje od Wuhana, pocinju da kruze price o bar 2 razlicita soja virusa, jedan blazi u Wuhanu i drugi mutirani, agresivniji u Italiji.

 

Ima li ikakav izvestaj koji ukazuje ili podupire ove traceve?

Edited March 21, 2020 by Friend