3 minutes ago, svashtabezneshto said:

drkaš li od sreće, kali?

Samo on, Lindsey Graham, i Kubanci iz Majamija stvarno misle da su Venecuelanci pohrlili na ulice od sreće dan posle bombardovanja.

@svashtabezneshto Nemoj pitati AI za ovakve stvari. Prosto nema dovoljno treninga za nešto što se desilo jutros, a i generalno kad ne zna odgovor voli da lupi u korist postavljača pitanja. P.S. Mada možda je grok i u pravu slučajno jer je neko primetio da nema logike da je noć na snimcima proslave u Venecueli, jer je od objavljivanja vesti do objavljivanja videa bio dan.

A generalno - glede prozivki EU zvaničnika? Šta očekujete. To nije dvoličnost, koliko nagon za preživljavanjem. Oni nisu bili u stanju ni da Rusiji na vreme lupe prave sankcije (2014), a i ove sankcije koje sad imaju nisu apsolutne, jer se boje da povrede svoju ekonomiju. Šta bi bilo da ekonomijom da EU da se mnogo zamere ludom Trumpu ili udare Americi sankcije, pa Amerika njima?

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Kao moderacija smo izuzetno zabrinuti što niko dosad nije tražio da se tema preimenuje u 'Agresija na Venecuelu'

Ničim izazvana agresija na miroljubivu Venecuelu

@Mindaugas Žukauskas Jel ima neko ovde da tvrdi da nije agresija (mislim barem element međunarodne agresije jer sveopšta još nije počela)?

Jel ima neko da guta Rubiovo obaveštenje sa preske kako ovo i nije vojna operacija, već policijska (uz pomoć vojske) privođenja vrha kartela.

Gde su ovaj put Maršmelovci da nam objašnjavaju pravo jačeg da tlači slabijeg i kako je sve ovo samo prorodan odgovor na ponašanje Venecuele kontra željama moćne sile u komšiluku.

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Nadjoh onaj clanak iz NYT koga sam spominjao prija par strana:

As President Trump pressed during his first term to oust President Nicolás Maduro, U.S. officials ran a war game to assess what the Venezuelan strongman’s fall might unleash.

The results showed that chaos and violence were likely to erupt within Venezuela, as military units, rival political factions and even jungle-based guerrilla groups jockeyed for control of the oil-rich country.

Those unclassified findings, supported by other expert analysis, underscore the risk associated with Mr. Trump’s second-term push against Mr. Maduro.

While Mr. Trump has not explained his precise goals regarding Venezuela, he has described Mr. Maduro as an outlaw and an enemy of the United States, and has moved troops, warships and aircraft within striking distance of the country.

“The idea that you’re going to be able to slot in a government and everything else will just fall into place, I think is just fantasy,” added Mr. Gunson, speaking from the Venezuelan capital of Caracas.

The U.S. government war games — exercises in which officials and experts convened to plot out the possible consequences of Mr. Maduro’s fall — were recounted by Douglas Farah, a national-security consultant who specializes in Latin America and who joined several such exercises while a fellow at the National Defense University. Participants included officials across the U.S. government, including ones from the Pentagon and State Department.

Mr. Maduro’s overthrow — whether by military coup, popular uprising or U.S. military action — would shatter Venezuela’s brittle authoritarian government and produce “chaos for a sustained period of time with no possibility of ending it,” Mr. Farah wrote in an unclassified report to Pentagon officials after an exercise conducted in 2019.

Mr. Farah first spoke about his participation in the war games in an interview earlier this month with the SpyTalk podcast.

Officials in the Trump White House believed in early 2019 that Mr. Maduro was vulnerable, in part because of popular protests that Washington had encouraged. Mr. Trump considered military options but decided against that approach, then watched in frustration as Mr. Maduro quashed the protests.

Mr. Farah, a former journalist, said that Venezuela would be better off without Mr. Maduro but warned in an interview that “you can’t have an immediate seismic shift” in the country’s government without dire consequences.

“You would have no command and control over the military and no police force,” he said. “You’d have looting and chaos.” Any U.S. military deployment meant to stabilize the country would probably require tens of thousands of troops, he said.

Those conclusions were echoed in the Crisis Group report, which found that a new government installed in Caracas with U.S. and regional backing might face “a potentially protracted, low-intensity conflict.”

Asked for comment, and whether the United States had planned for Mr. Maduro’s potential exit, a senior administration official said only that the Trump administration “is well aware of all outcomes that would occur as a result of any actions that may or may not happen.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/20/us/politics/venezuela-maduro-fallout-trump.html

Maduro was captured by a team that included U.S. special forces, including the U.S. Army’s Delta Force, a U.S. official told Reuters.

A CIA source in Maduro’s inner circle helped U.S. forces track his movements in his final days right up until his capture, according to two people familiar with the matter. The people, who were briefed on the operation, also said members of the Venezuelan military cooperated with the United States to secure Maduro’s arrest but declined to provide details.

One person close to Venezuela’s opposition, who asked not to be named, described Maduro’s removal as an “inside job” aided by the country’s military.

https://www.newswatchplus.ph/2026/01/03/us-captures-venezuelan-strongman-nicolas-maduro/

Vest je Rojtersova.

Rojters je isto imao ne 1 ne 2 ne 3 nego 4 izvora da je potpredsednica u Rusiji

23 minutes ago, Mindaugas Žukauskas said:

Kao moderacija smo izuzetno zabrinuti što niko dosad nije tražio da se tema preimenuje u 'Agresija na Venecuelu'

Podrazmevamo da će to biti urađeno kada izađete iz stanja šoka.

Vest od 13.11.2019.

Russia attempted to resolve the "Ukraine issue" in a swap arrangement with the U.S. involving influence over Venezuela, that's according to Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Europe and Russia on the National Security Council staff Fiona Hill, who testified as part of the Donald Trump impeachment inquiry.

As protests in Venezuela unfolded, the Russians were "signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine", Hill said in her testimony.

In other words, if the U.S. wanted to keep Russia out of its "backyard" [this is after the Russians had sent in a hundred operatives to secure the Venezuelan Government and to preempt what they thought could turn into a U.S. military action], Russians had their "own version" of this: "You're in our backyard in Ukraine."

https://www.unian.info/politics/10752894-russia-through-informal-channels-offered-u-s-to-swap-ukraine-for-venezuela-ex-nsc-official.html

Direktan link na transkript svedočenja održanog 14.10.2019, taj deo je na 58. strani:

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D010.pdf

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https://x.com/clashreport/status/2007578705367851023

https://x.com/MagellanQuest/status/2007581122541105494

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3 minutes ago, vememah said:

13.11.2019.

https://www.unian.info/politics/10752894-russia-through-informal-channels-offered-u-s-to-swap-ukraine-for-venezuela-ex-nsc-official.html

Direktan link na transkript svedočenja:

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D010.pdf

Zanimljivo, samo nemaju tu Rusi neki veliki potencijal da ugroze americke interese, pogotovo sto Trump izgleda nema namjeru da radi nation-building Afghan/Iraqi style.

Inace, evo i onaj profil Rubia sto sam spomenuo prije.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has said those efforts are not bold enough. He has helped steer the Trump administration toward a much more aggressive — and deadly — tactic: use military force to destroy suspected drug boats and kill the people on board, without a legal process.

“Interdiction doesn’t work,” Mr. Rubio said at a news conference in Mexico City last week when asked about the U.S. attack on a boat in the Caribbean. President Trump had boasted that the strike had killed at least 11 people.

“What will stop them is when you blow them up, when you get rid of them,” Mr. Rubio added. “And it’ll happen again. Maybe it’s happening right now, I don’t know, but the point is the president of the United States is going to wage war on narco-terrorist organizations.”

Mr. Rubio has cast himself as a top general in that war.

No senior Trump official has spoken more forcefully about the new campaign of violence against Latin American criminal groups and their allies. And no senior aide to Mr. Trump has as long a history working on Latin America policy.

Over 14 years as a Republican senator from Florida, Mr. Rubio pressed three administrations to go on the offense across the region. The son of anti-Communist immigrants from pre-revolutionary Cuba, he was motivated by his loathing for the Castro government and its allies, notably Venezuela — a stance well rewarded by Florida’s sizable population of expatriates from those countries.

Now, as both secretary of state and White House national security adviser, he is seizing his chance to turn words into action.

Mr. Rubio has long sought the ouster of leftist strongmen in the region, particularly leaders of Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua, whose governments he has called “illegitimate.” He has also helped engineer the administration’s mass deportations of immigrants, including to a notorious prison in El Salvador

Mr. Rubio’s approach carries legal and political risks. He has not presented a legal rationale for the lethal strike on the boat. He has said only that the vessel posed an “imminent” threat even though it appeared to be turning around before it was hit multiple times by the U.S. military.

Mr. Rubio arriving at the Palacio de Carondelet in Quito, Ecuador, this month. During his trip, Mr. Rubio said the Trump administration was ready to help partner governments “blow up” criminal groups.Credit...Pool photo by Jacquelyn Martin

And the push for military action and the ouster of national leaders could draw criticism from a vocal wing of Mr. Trump’s movement that advocates greater military restraint in foreign policy. Those conservatives criticize “forever wars” and “regime change,” and some already view Mr. Rubio with suspicion, pointing to a history of “neocon” positions.

However, there are those Trump supporters and aides who applaud Mr. Rubio’s approach. They see him as reasserting an updated version of the Monroe Doctrine, an early-19th-century concept that justified U.S. intervention in Latin America.

Mr. Rubio hopes to “define a real new paradigm in the Western Hemisphere,” said Juan Gonzalez, who served as the top National Security Council official for the region in the Biden White House.

Mr. Gonzalez said Mr. Rubio’s scathing rhetoric — he has branded Nicaragua’s government “an enemy of humanity” — was meant to establish a “predicate” for further military action in the hemisphere.

His top target for now appears to be Venezuela, whose criminal groups the Trump administration has linked to the country’s autocratic leader, Nicolás Maduro.

Last month, Mr. Rubio ordered the State Department to increase a reward to $50 million for any information leading to Mr. Maduro’s arrest and conviction on U.S. drug charges.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/us/politics/rubio-trump-drugs-venezuela.html?searchResultPosition=2

Gdje je i šta radi jedini pravi čelnik Venezuele Juan Guaido?

Desni anti-intervencionizam u SAD-u načisto propo, preko noći su se vratili na Bush junior postavke.

https://x.com/TheEconomist/status/2007412438036029788

Arhiviran ceo članak:

https://archive.is/2LgVo

Estados Unidos, en entrevista con #NTN24, sobre la detención de Nicolás Maduro. http://ntn24.com

Prevod:

"They didn't take him out, they handed him over. I am absolutely sure that Delcy handed him over. With all the information we have, one starts to add it up and says 'wow, this is an operation in which they hand him over'": Francisco Santos (@PachoSantosC), former vice president and former ambassador of Colombia to the United States, in an interview with #NTN24, about the detention of Nicolás Maduro.

https://x.com/NTN24/status/2007545129909801283

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