Sinovi kineskog zmaja

[namenski]

14 hours ago, pasha said:

Napoleon je rekao: ne budite Kinu, ako je probudite bice zemljotres.

Jel moze izvor za ovo, memoari, bilo ciji, pisma, prigodna anegdota koju je neko negde naveo, bilo sta?

[vememah]

Teško da može kad taj citat potiče iz filma iz 1963.

 

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This piece concerns my search for the source (not of the Nile…) but rather of the recently celebrated, and supposedly Napoleonic remark, “Let China sleep. For when she wakes, the world will tremble”.

The Dictionnaire Napoléon, published by Fayard (most recent edition dated 1999 and edited by Jean Tulard), notes that the expression was probably not uttered by the Emperor. In other places, Jean Tulard (not just the founder of modern Napoleonic studies but also a published film specialist) remarked that, as far as he knew, the first occurrence of the words was in the 1963 Allied Artists film, “55 days at Peking”. There, Elizabeth Sellars reminds her husband David Niven (British ambassador in China during the Boxer Rebellion (1900)) of Napoleon’s warning that when China rouses from its slumber, all hell will break loose. The quotation is specific to the screenplay by principle scriptwriter, Bernard Gordon, since the remark and attribution do not appear in either the English or French versions of the 1963 book by Noel Gerson (written under the pseudonym Samuel Edwards). One would have thought they ought to since, as the front cover of the book proclaims, the book was “based on the screenplay”.

So, 1963 is a first occurrence of the quotation attributed to Napoleon.

https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/articles/ava-gardner-china-and-napoleon/

Edited December 27, 2020 by vememah

[omiljeni]

Napoleon je rekao i "Dajte mi 100.000 Hrvata i osvojicu Kinu"

[namenski]

'A sa jos 1,000 Srba produzicu do Tokija....'

[borris_]

Nije rekao ono sto Pasha pise

 

https://www.napoleon.org/histoire-des-2-empires/articles/une-chronique-de-peter-hicks-napoleon-a-t-il-dit-laissons-la-chine-dormir-car-quand-elle-se-reveillera-le-monde-tremblera/

[namenski]

Pa naravno da nije...

Ali, kao relevantan^tm izvor moze da posluzi k'o Delbojeva keva otprilike...

Edited December 27, 2020 by namenski

[omiljeni]

41 minutes ago, namenski said:

'A sa jos 1,000 Srba produzicu do Tokija....'

 

"da 1000 Srba naoružam trešnjevim topovima protresli bi Solarni Sistem"

[namenski]

1 minute ago, omiljeni said:

 

"da 1000 Srba naoružam trešnjevim topovima protresli bi Solarni Sistem"

 

I ne kaže se trešnjevim nego црешњевим, usavrši malo taj srpski, vrati se korenima... 

[namenski]

Nego, da se vratimo na malo relevantnije^tm izvore, ovog puta 1 lika koji nije da je bas nesto relevantan, ali cija se svojevremeno slusala...

I izvora, kome se za cudo ne navracaju trenutni NATO i ostali planeri, ne uklapa se... :

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Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is:

“Do not march on Moscow”. Various people have tried it, Napoleon and Hitler, and it is no good. That is the first rule. I do not know whether your Lordships will know Rule 2 of war. It is: “Do not go fighting with your land armies in China”. It is a vast country, with no clearly defined objectives.

 

Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein...

 

BTW, ako se dobro secam, postoje zapisnici, ili barem izvodi iz razgovora pomenutog sa drugom Mao Ce Tungom, pa ako nekoga ne mrzi....

Neka 1961/2 je u pitanju, u svakom slucaju pocetak 60-ih...

[mackenzie]

Dugoročno, zapadnjaci su pukli u trci sa Kinom, jedino ako se ne izvuku nekim totalnim ratom.

[Meazza]

E to, totalni rat, to ce sve lepo da nas izvuce. 

[pasha]

Da li je Nepoleon rekao ili nije nije bas najjasnije, pricao o Kini jeste, ali Pablo Akrobata je rekao a to je vaznije,

 

 

Kina se budi

U jesen 1980, iako sa skromnim iskustvom, trio ulazi u studio "Druga maca" Enca Lesića, gde uz "Idole" i "Električni orgazam" snima prve pesme. 

Na jednoj, danas čuvenoj, probi Milan donosi tekst za pesmu "Kina se budi". Čuvši to, Vd veli: "Slušaj, Milane, ako se Kina budi, ja lomim ove palice i izlazim odavde zauvek".

Palice su ostale čitave, a grupa snima ukupno četire pesme: "Ona se budi", "Oko moje glave", "Niko kao ja" i "Mali čovek".

 

https://www.011info.com/beogradjani/sarloakrobata-tri-momaka-na-novom-talasu

[vememah]

 

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A Chinese citizen journalist who covered Wuhan's coronavirus outbreak has been jailed for four years.

Zhang Zhan was found guilty of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble", a frequent charge against activists.

The 37-year-old former lawyer was detained in May, and has been on hunger strike for several months. Her lawyers say she is in poor health.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55463241

 

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The [British] embassy [in China] said that Zhang "is one of at least 47 journalists currently in detention in China. The whereabouts of other citizen journalists -- including Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin -- is unknown." It urged China to "release all those detained for their reporting."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/28/asia/china-journalist-zhang-zhan-intl-hnk/index.html

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[milfisland]

vrijedi pročitati uprkos lošem osjećaju nakon čitanja

 

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