Sirija

[Eraserhead]

19 hours ago, Weenie Pooh said:

 

Kao što rekoh, naporno je po šesnaesti put objašnjavati iste stvari, ali ajde. Ne, nije svako ko sarađuje sa Alex Jonesom ološ. On je bizarni, degutantni klovn, baš kao i čovek kog ste uspeli da izglasate za predsednika države, samo marginalnije. Kad neko gleda InfoWars, pravi questionable izbor ali samo njegova stvar - možda mu je zabavno da gleda budalu kako cepa košulju. Kad neko gostuje na ili sarađuje sa InfoWars, i taj pravi questionable izbor ali on se tiče samo njega i razvoja njegove medijske karijere.

 

Tvoja potreba da na kreativne načine denunciraš svakoga ko javno trubi o nečemu što ti remeti paradigmu je bedna.  U ovom slučaju reč je bila o tvrdnji Guardiana da su određeni tviteraši "ruski botovi", što je primerima pokazano kao potpuni promašaj. Na to se nadovezuješ ti, uskliknuvši kako je jedan od tih primera Mimi Al-Laham, koja je gostovala kod Alex Jonesa i konsekventno ološ. Kakve to veze ima sa tragično glupom tvrdnjom da se radi o ruskom botu, samo je tebi jasno. 

 

Taj način razmišljanja je milion puta demonstrian ovde, kod tebe i ekipice. "Kakve veze ima da li je koristio hemijsko oružje ili ne kad je Ološ od čoveka? Kakve veze ima da li je ruski bot ili ne kad je Ološ od žene?" Zabašurimo neosnovanost originalne optužbe dodatnim, širokim, nedefinisanim, neosporivim optužbama.

 

Ne stigoh da ti odgovorim na ovo ranije. Ne prihvatam taj moraalni relativizam. Alex Jones nije samo bizarni degutantni klovn. On je pre svega personifikacija jedne opasne pojave koja kombinuje populizam i teorije zavera. On je covek koji je lansirao pricu da deca ubijena u Sandy Hooku nikada nisu ni postojala te da je cela prica izmisljena da bi se oduzelo oruzje "postenom Amerikancu". Nakon toga su razne psihopate koje se na njega lose maltretirale i pretile roditeljima ubijene dece. 

 

Izvini molim te ali kada kazes "bizarni degutantni klovn" onda umanjujes vaznost tog zla. On je opasni manipulant i zlikovac koji sere mrznju i ugrozava ljude a svako ko se povezuje sa takvom osobom je ili debil ako veruje da je to normalno ili olos ako to radi a zna da to nije OK. 

 

Neki od tih boraca za pravo diktatora da ubija svoje potcinjene sakom i kapom su saradnici Alexa Jonesa. Partisangirl je jedna od njih. A ona nije samo gostovala nego istice na svoj profilu da je i saradnjik. Ne postoji tu nista vise sto moze da je opere mada nju nista nije moglo da opere ni pre toga.

 

I zaista ako zagrebes ispod povrsine i krenes da pratis tu mrezu tviter likova ta rupa te uvek odvede na neko mracno mesto, na neke profile koji dele lazne vesti o muslimanima koji siluju devojcice po Parizu, na price o Sorosu i liberalnoj zaveri. Proasadizam je u srzi tog novog fasizma koji se danas javlja kao ideologija a pociva na teorijama zavera, ljubavi prema jakim liderima, antiislamizmu itd.

[Weenie Pooh]

Realno, nisi ni morao da se trudiš - samo potvrđuješ ono što sam napisao.

 

Tema su bili fantazmagorični ruski botovi u porastu od dve do četiri hiljade procenata. Kad se ispostavilo da su navedeni primeri samo youtubers koji ne idu niz dlaku zvaničnoj verziji dešavanja, ti si uslužno uleteo sa pričom "Šta ima veze kad je to ološ, evo partisangirl radi za infowars" i sad nastavljaš da vučeš na tu stranu. Sad bi kao trebalo da pričamo o tome koliko je raspali Alex Jones opasan, dijabolično manipulativan, ili šta već. Samo pay no attention to the man behind the curtain  

[borris_]

https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/988564636046852096

[Eraserhead]

 

 

[teacher]

erejzer ne sumnja u istinite navode trampovih medija

[mlatko]

Vazno je da svako veruje ono sto mu godi, sto ga "radi" i ne dira tudje. Tu nastupa problem sto su nam uverenja univerzalno dogmatizovana ali nije stvar u uverenju nego je problem u ljudima koji sebi daju na vaznosti. Ljudi koji su vredniji (citaj: puniji para) ce uvek biti sposobni da uticu na vero/delovanja mase (i da jebu ovce medjusobno). Nije problem u 10% crnih i 10% belih nego u 80% sivih koji se klate.

[ObiW]

6 hours ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Realno, nisi ni morao da se trudiš - samo potvrđuješ ono što sam napisao.

 

Tema su bili fantazmagorični ruski botovi u porastu od dve do četiri hiljade procenata. Kad se ispostavilo da su navedeni primeri samo youtubers koji ne idu niz dlaku zvaničnoj verziji dešavanja, ti si uslužno uleteo sa pričom "Šta ima veze kad je to ološ, evo partisangirl radi za infowars"

 

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This is what people don't understand about the "fake news" problem. This isn't a crack in the system. It is the system. The new age of targeted information distribution is designed to make campaigns of manipulation not just possible but inevitable. It is what the product was designed for.

 

"You'd see some fake story on some little blog somewhere, maybe about immigrants rioting in a big city," he says. "Next thing you know, some tabloid picks it up with a headline: 'Alleged Riot in Munich!' Then you'd see someone promote the hell out of that story using target marketing. Because the platforms know exactly which people to target for you, you can pay to get that promoted content to all those people. From there, the users share the story themselves, and it goes viral," Scott continues. "And every time the platforms do one of these campaigns, they learn more about who's susceptible to what messaging."

Matt Taibbi

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by ObiW

[Weenie Pooh]

41 minutes ago, ObiW said:

 

 

 

Jesi pročitao tekst ili si ga samo preleteo unakrst, u potrazi za ključnim rečima Budja-style?

 

Ako jesi, sigurno si primetio da Taibi piša po Facebooku ne zato što preko njega razni YT ološi™ mogu da plasiraju propagandu, već zato što čoveka zatvara u orahovu ljusku u kojoj on konzumira isključivo vesti koje mu se planski podmetnu pod nos (mahom ono u šta već veruje + mala doza nečega što će isprovocirati reakciju). Dakle, ceo tekst izričito osuđuje Eraserov "Šta me briga šta tamo neki ološ ima da kaže" pristup, tj. krivi sistem za beskrajni reinforcement of prejudice.

[ObiW]

11 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

 

Jesi pročitao tekst ili si ga samo preleteo unakrst, u potrazi za ključnim rečima Budja-style?

 

Ako jesi, sigurno si primetio da Taibi piša po Facebooku ne zato što preko njega razni YT ološi™ mogu da plasiraju propagandu, već zato što čoveka zatvara u orahovu ljusku u kojoj on konzumira isključivo vesti koje mu se planski podmetnu pod nos (mahom ono u šta već veruje + mala doza nečega što će isprovocirati reakciju). Dakle, ceo tekst izričito osuđuje Eraserov "Šta me briga šta tamo neki ološ ima da kaže" pristup, tj. krivi sistem za beskrajni reinforcement of prejudice.

A jesi li isto video da clanak daje odgovor na pitanje "kako su Rusi sa budgetom od 100 hiljada dolara mogli da obmanu 126 miliona ljudi?". To pitanje se ovde cesto postavljalo, i ti si se onoliko kreveljio kako je to moguce i zakljucivao kako je to jedna trula demokratija kojoj sitne pare i desetine Rusa trolova moze da naudi. Jesi li zadovoljan odgovorom?  

Edited April 24, 2018 by ObiW

[Weenie Pooh]

Apsolutno zadovoljan, s obzirom na to da odgovor glasi "šta god da su oni uradili sa 100k dolara, veći igrači su višestruko više uradili sa uloženim milionima". 

[ObiW]

30 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Apsolutno zadovoljan, s obzirom na to da odgovor glasi "šta god da su oni uradili sa 100k dolara, veći igrači su višestruko više uradili sa uloženim milionima". 

Poenta tog clanka je bas i bila da kaze da se moze sa srazmerno malo para moze napraviti nesrazmerno mnogo stete... oko cega smo se ovde sporili pa od novembra 2016. Drago mi je da si i ti konacno spoznao Istinu. 

[Weenie Pooh]

Tekst je vrlo očigledno usmeren direktno protiv Fejsbuka i njegove uloge new media skretničara. Ali svako se češe tamo gde ga svrbi - tebi je verovatno poenta i vremenske prognoze potvrda Russiagate-a.

[ObiW]

12 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Tekst je vrlo očigledno usmeren direktno protiv Fejsbuka i njegove uloge new media skretničara. Ali svako se češe tamo gde ga svrbi - tebi je verovatno poenta i vremenske prognoze potvrda Russiagate-a.

Niko od vas oponenata Russiagate-a nikad nije rekao "e ako je do fejsbuka i njihove uzurpacije medija onda bujrum, ova prica o sacici Rusa koja sa 100 hiljada dolara prave lom ima smisla". Jok, nego ste bandoglavo insistirali da je tako nesto naprosto nemoguce, sa fejsbukom ili bez njega. No, davljenik se i za slamku hvata, pa je tako sada tebi odjednom bitan fejsbuk. Sto bi rekli u Matematickoj gimnaziji, "znam te nulo kad si minus 1 bila".

[Weenie Pooh]

Pa kad nema smisla  Burden of proof je na optužbi, a tvoja strana se pravi da može da kvantifikuje nemerljivi uticaj farme od koliko beše, 16 trolova u Sankt Peterburgu?

 

Naravno, nije vam ni namera da išta dokazujete jer znate da je za ovu bizarnu shit-stirring/virtue-signaling kombinaciju dovoljno pokazati prstom na nekakve Ruse sa nekakvim Fejsbuk oglasima kako bi se ljudima upalile crvene lampice u glavi jer "tu sigurno ima nešto". 

 

Podsetiću samo da je targeted advertising savršeno legalan, kako za Amerikance tako i za strane državljane koji bi da se obrate američkoj retardiranoj javnosti iz bilo kog razloga, da vode bilo kakvu kampanju, da se oglašavaju kome hoće i kako hoće. Land of the free, motherfuckers. Da si pažljivije čitao Taibija, objasnio bi ti i na Cambridge Analytica primeru koliko je efekat takvih kampanja nepoznanica, odnosno koliko prostora ima za muljačinu i kićenje tuđim perjem ljudi kojima odgovara da javnost misli da su oni izgurali Trampa, Brexit, i šta sve ne.

 

Ali ta priča je više za Trump temu, nema smisla da je i ovde prelivamo.

[3opge]

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DNC LAWSUIT REVEALS KEY DETAILS ABOUT DEVASTATING 2016 HACK

LAWSUIT REVEALS KEY DETAILS ABOUT DEVASTATING 2016 HA

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THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL Committee Friday filed a lawsuit against a broad slate of people and entities allegedly responsible for the 2016 hack of its email, phone calls, and more. But while the suit claims involvement from a host of headliners—Wikileaks, Julian Assange, Donald Trump, Jr., and Russia among them—its immediate importance lies in the previously unreported timeline it lays out.

While a rough outline of the DNC hack that rocked the 2016 election had previously been established, the 66-page lawsuit, first reported by The Washington Post gives exact dates for the first time. It also asserts coordination among a web of characters affiliated with the Trump campaign, Russia’s GRU intelligence service, and WikiLeaks.

“No one is above the law,” the suit begins. “In the run-up to the 2016 election, Russia mounted a brazen attack on American Democracy.”

The details of when and how that attack occurred, though, are more clear than ever—and may indicate that Russia’s plan to interfere in the US election predated its DNC intrusion.

 

Between repairing and replacing equipment and hiring experts to manage the fallout, the bill came out to over a million dollars.

According to the DNC lawsuit, Russian intelligence group Cozy Bear—the GRU-affiliated hacker group, also known as APT29—infiltrated the DNC network as far back as July 27, 2015, nearly a year before the leaks of the pilfered material began. The suit says that a second Russian group—Fancy Bear, the outfit that has recently tormented the International Olympic Committee as well—hacked the DNC’s systems on April 18, 2016. The DNC wouldn’t notice the presence of either until April 28, 2016, at which point it called in security firm CrowdStrike to help analyze and mitigate the damage.

The remedy was costly. The suit details the necessary fixes; the DNC had to “decommission more than 140 servers, remove and reinstall all software, including the operating systems, for more than 180 computers, and rebuild at least 11 servers.” Between repairing and replacing equipment and hiring experts to manage the fallout, the bill came out to over a million dollars.

By then, of course, the worst damage had already been done. The DNC had been devastatingly compromised. The Russians had gained access not only to email systems but also to backup servers, VOIP calls, and chats. They were prepared to make off with “several gigabytes of data,” the suit says, a little over a week before the DNC even knew they were there.

The timeline from there has been a matter of public record. On June 14, the DNC first disclosed the hack. The following day, a persona going by Guccifer 2.0—only recently confirmed to be a Russian intelligence agent—claimed responsibility, leaking a 237-page opposition research report on Donald Trump in the process.

The leaks continued steadily from there, as the suit details. Guccifer 2.0 struck again on June 27, June 30, and July 6. On July 22, WikiLeaks took the wheel, releasing nearly 20,000 internal DNC emails. The following day, according to the suit, multiple DNC employees received an email that said: “I hope your children get raped and murdered. I hope your family knows nothing but suffering, torture, and death.”

The rest of the suit rehashes the connections that have played out in the press over the last several months, alleging Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, and a host of Russians as ingredients in a collusive soup. But for close observers of Russia’s hacking efforts against the US in 2015 and beyond, it’s the timeline that provides the most valuable information.

 

The timeline strongly implies that Russia’s aim was to disrupt the election from the start.

That’s in part because of how it aligns with two incidents not mentioned in the suit. Many of the early leaks appeared on a site called DCLeaks, which went live in June 2016 but was registered on April 19, which the suit confirms was a day after Fancy Bear broke into the DNC. But the same group that registered DCLeaks had attempted but failed to register ElectionLeaks.com on April 12, nearly a week before the Fancy Bear hack.

The timeline strongly implies that Russia’s aim was to disrupt the election from the start, rather than a reconnaissance mission that rapidly escalated.

“They had already carried out the Podesta intrusion in March, and carried out a pretty large scale attempt to target the campaigns,” says John Hultquist, director of threat intelligence at security firm FireEye, referring to the emails of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, which were ultimately leaked a month before the 2016 election. That, combined with registering ElectionLeaks before the Fancy Bear break-in, “suggests they had this plan prior to even compromising the organization.”

It’s unclear how likely the DNC lawsuit is to succeed, especially in its efforts to hold Russia accountable in a US court. But its revelations shed light on one of the most impactful hacks of recent memory—and maybe the intentions of the country behind it.

 

Russian Hacks

• The US isn't this only victim. Here's how Russia hacks elections around the world
• And here's a guide to Russia's high-tech espionage toolkit
• The leaders of the major US intelligence agencies all agree that Russia's nowhere near done interfering with our democracy