Tačerizam - ideja, pozadina i posledice

[Zaz_pi]

A, da, vazi i za Regana. Posto je u njegove vreme doslo do skoka proizvodnje nafte sa Aljaske, cuveno naftno polje Prudo( oko 3 milijarde tona nafte)Tako da svi eksperimenti sa ekonomijom su mogli da prodju jer je nafta pumpana. Elem, to nije sprecilo da ti eskperimenti dovedu do recesija. U Britaniji smo imali Black Wednesday 16. 9. 1992. A, u SAD, Black Monday 1987, koji je bio pracen recesijom pocetkom 90ih, sto je delom i posledica rasta cene nafte zbog Prvog zalivskog rata.Mi zivimo u naftonm svetu. ;)Ako se nateram, mozda na ovom podforumu, zapocen temu o nafti. Pa, ce se to i videti. Mislim, da nijedan vladar u Srbiji ne shvata znacaj energenata u dovoljnoj meri tj. cene istih i koliko znacaj ima na ekonomiju povoljna cena energenata.Energija ucestvuje velikim delom u BDP svake zemlje, prvo ili drugo mesto, najcesce:

Under either method of estimation, about 8 percent of GDP is associated with energy expenditures worldwide, and a slightly higher 9 percent is associated with U.S. GDP. In many countries, this may be second only to health care costs, which are almost 16 percent of GDP for the U.S., but in the 8 to 11 percent range for many European countries and Canada. This means that energy prices, like health care, have a large effect on the economy and policies that promote energy price increases may result in negative consequences to economic growth. Politicians worldwide should be cautious regarding energy policies that may disrupt their economies.

Evo primer za SAD:Kada god bi cena energenata rasla SAD bi bile u velikim ekonomskim problemima. I, to vazi za skoro svaku zemlju. Mozda vam budu jasniji razlozi za Iracki rat. ;)

[April]

Dugo nisam razumevao Tačerizam. A onda sam čuo ovo:http://youtu.be/IuPrrdRzlxcA new winter coat and shoes for the wifeAnd a bicycle on the boys birthdayIts just a rumour that was spread around townBy the women and childrenSoon well be shipbuildingWell I ask youThe boy said dad they're going to take me to taskBut I'll be back by christmasIts just a rumour that was spread around townSomebody said that someone got filled inFor saying that people get killed inThe result of this shipbuildingWith all the will in the worldDiving for dear lifeWhen we could be diving for pearlsIts just a rumour that was spread around townA telegram or a picture postcardWithin weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyardsAnd notifying the next of kinOnce againIts all were skilled inWe will be shipbuildingWith all the will in the worldDiving for dear lifeWhen we could be diving for pearls

[Sir Oliver]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/morrissey-margaret-thatcher-was-barbaric-20130408

[casperbgd]

Šta kažu statistike, koji je nivo nezaposlenosti bio 1978 a koliki je bio, recimo 1985?

Evo zanimljive statistike http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/datablog/2013/apr/08/britain-changed-margaret-thatcher-charts

[Otto Katz]

Show me the money : otkad su Tatcherka i Regan uzeli stvari u svoje ruke, napravljena je ogromna pljačka planetarnih razmera : gornji sloj bogatih je postao bogatiji x 10000 (sigurno nedostaje još koja nula, ni ne zna se). Na račun svih nas.Sve ostalo su sitnice.

Suština.

[Filipenko]

Jasno je zašto likujete, Srbokomunjare jedne <_<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ae3mVerKo0

Kada vidim ovako nešto, odmah shvatim u kolikom smo mi problemu. Mi zapravo oko nas imamo 100x gore primitivce i zavoljive ljude u odnosu na Amere ili štatijaznamkoju zemlju kojima se podsmevamo. Garant sada kada ovo gledaju srpski rodoljubi™ razmišljaju na Draškovićevoj liniji: "Eto, da nismo bili komunisti, i da nismo imali komunizam, i samo da Slobu srušismo, garant bi oni bili uz nas," nešto poput teza tzv. druge Srbije o (ne)simpatijama koje (ne) možemo da pridobijemo na zapadu i preorijentisanju prema njemu.

[Indy]

Ne razmisljamo tako.

[Њујоркер]

Ni sam ne bi bolje rekao:

Tužan danposted by Aleksandar Stevanović at Monday, April 08, 2013Danas je liberalni svet, a posebno onaj koji bi sebe nazvao liberalno-konzervativnim, ostao bez jedne od svojih ikona. Margaret Tačer je bila jedna od dve zvezde konzervativne revolucije i odradila posao koji je bio neverovatno težak, vrativši Ujedinjeno Kraljevstvo sa puta raspale socijalističke države u pravcu ozbiljne tržišne demokratije sa visokim nivoom ekonomske slobode. Meni je lično Gvozdena Ledi uvek inspirisala, a ono čega se napre setim su sledeće stvari koje će jednog lepog dana možda biti i deo agende u Srbiji.- Razlikovanje šta je ispravno, a šta je popularno.- Nazivanje stvari pravim rečima, a meni je bilo uvek slatko kako je dala pravu dijagnozu tadašnjeg argentinskog režima.- U jednoj privredi treba da postoje profitabilna preduzeća, a ova druga ne treba da postoje, barem ne na grbači poreskih obveznika.- Štrajk glađu nije argument.- Progresivno oporezivanje je krađa.- Levičari mnogo više mrze bogate i sposobne, nego što vole i poboljšavaju položaj siromašnima.Margaret Tačer je, što je najbitnije, intuitivno razumela logiku i etiku kapitalizma. Iznad svega, imala je jednu bitnu karakteristiku koja je na kraju umesto nje dovela mediokriteta na čelo UK - nepopustljivost u borbi za ispravne, ali nepopularne stvari.Počivaj u miru.

hvala na kvotu, bb.Pocivaj u miru, celicna lejdi.

[Indy]

Kakva zalopojka... umesto toga, da me ne mrzi, mogao bih sastaviti slicnu zalopojku socijaldemokratiji (kojoj je ona bila jedan od glavnih presudilaca).

[borris_]

edit: zasto se slika ne vidi? (vidi se kada je editujem) Edited April 9, 2013 by borris_

[Indy]

http://rabble.ca/news/2013/04/maggie-maggie-maggie-eulogy-welfare-state-arsonistn a sense, Maggie helped to make me who I am. I am one of generations of activists who were forged in the fires of the burning welfare state. What we fight to defend now is but a shadow of what once was.But this week Margaret Thatcher is being canonized. In death, her sins are washed clean. There are tears and even recriminations for those who recite her curriculum vitae. Remembrances are offered of brave confrontations with the British old boys club. Barack Obama mourns the passing of a 'great defender of freedom.' CBC's the Current plays a clip from her 1979 speech to the Conservative Party where Maggie proudly claims the Soviet moniker of "Iron Lady" to laughter and cheers.But I remember someone different. A cold warrior with a fierce helmet of blonde hair, class fighter of the first order, grim reaper of social democracy and catalyst of punk rock rage.She and her comrades won the Cold War. Those days made it, in Slovenian sociologist Slavoj Žižek's words, "much easier to imagine the end of all life on earth than a much more modest radical change in capitalism." Punk was full of angry political criticism but also the self-destructive nihilism of a future destroyed. There was at least some comfort in finding that I was not alone at the end of the world, that there were others here too, angry at what was being stolen from us and refusing to tuck in our shirts and wait for the apocalypse in an orderly fashion.My high school era mix tapes were full of anti-Thatcher / Reagan anthems -- by the Clash, Billy Bragg, the Beat, the Specials, Dead Kennedys and CRASS -- manifestos on 7" vinyl. Bands played gigs to underage binge-drinking debate societies, amplifying simple solutions and ignoring the fractal splits and internecine conflicts of the traditional left, and the post-modernist intellectual malaise of the academy. But anger only gets you so far, and self-destruction takes what's left.Margaret Thatcher created the world we've come to know, even shaping many views of what is possible within it. Thatcher's project was not only to kill the welfare state in the UK in her own time, but also to make its future reconstruction impossible. Reagan shared her vision and was as successful in its bitter implementation.Maggie redefined poverty, measuring not relative inequity, but caloric intake. If you were still alive, you must be getting enough to eat and were thus not poor. With the stroke of a pen, poverty in England was virtually wiped out. On paper. Across the pond, ketchup was reclassified as a vegetable, thus magically transforming school lunch programs across America into balanced meals.Hers was a brand of conservatism that changed government policy, but also changed what would be possible for future governments. Thatcher put limitations on politicians that were not even born when she came to power. In some ways, she was the architect of New Labour, moving the goal posts to the right, making the British equivalent of the NDP just another manager of the free market rather than the tool to cut against its brutal edges it had once been.

[henrik larsson]

Ni sam ne bi bolje rekao:hvala na kvotu, bb.Pocivaj u miru, celicna lejdi.

Svaki put kada pročitam neki sličan debilan tekst, zamislim kako bi to izgledalo da se autoru desi neka teška finansijska ili privatna katastrofa, pa ga dodatno zamišljam kako se uklapa u društvo svojom profitabilnošću.

[Indy]

Kad takvog nekog snadje takvo nesto, vise se ne cuje za njega. Cuju se samo oni na vrhu gomile, i njihovi glasnogovornici, i njima naravno sve izgleda super. (To je ono sto bismo u nauci zvali biased sample, pristrasan uzorak).Ni sto je odnos prosecnog primanja CEO-a i radnika od Tacerke na ovamo porastao za, koliko bese ono, jedno xyz puta, nije nikakav los indikator za takve. Pogledajte kada tacno ovaj odnos odlazi u orbitu.

Edited April 9, 2013 by Indy

[Turnbull]

Svaki put kada pročitam neki sličan debilan tekst, zamislim kako bi to izgledalo da se autoru desi neka teška finansijska ili privatna katastrofa, pa ga dodatno zamišljam kako se uklapa u društvo svojom profitabilnošću.

+1Let him die!More to the point:Mrs Thatcher (Saturday, 6 November -- Growing Pains)Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?Do you wake, Mrs Thatcher, in your sleep?Do you weep like a sad willow?On your Marks and Spencer's pillow?Are your tears molten steel?Do you weep?Do you wake with 'Three Million' on your brain?Are you sorry that they'll never work again?When you're dressing in your blue, do you see the waiting queue?Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep? Edited April 9, 2013 by Syme

[Indy]

Ne vidi ti se to nestoMrs Thatcher (Saturday, 6 November -- Growing Pains)Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?Do you wake, Mrs Thatcher, in your sleep?Do you weep like a sad willow?On your Marks and Spencer's pillow?Are your tears molten steel?Do you weep?Do you wake with 'Three Million' on your brain?Are you sorry that they'll never work again?When you're dressing in your blue, do you see the waiting queue?Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?