Avionski udesi i nesreće

[Muwan]

Svi se pozivaju na ICAO odobrenja, kao da ih je neko optužio da su ih kršili... Radi se o tome da neki prevoznici jednostavno neće leteti rutama iznad rizičnih teritorija taman da ih bog otac odobri a ne ICAO, a nekima će ICAO odobrenje biti dovoljno da se bace na proračun uštede u gorivu ako se malo preleti Sirija, malo Irak, malo Ukrajina...

[Prospero]

Ukraine responsible for airspace safety: IATA

July 20, 2014

Jamie Freed

 

Ukraine bears responsibility for keeping its airspace open to flights like the doomed MH17, says the chief executive of the International Air Transport Association, Tony Tyler.

 

“Airlines depend on governments and air traffic control authorities to advise which air space is available for flight, and they plan within those limits,” he said.

 

A graphic from Der Spiegel showing that Malaysia Airlines was not alone in flying over the trouble zone.

“It is very similar to driving a car. If the road is open, you assume that it is safe. If it’s closed you find an alternate route.”

 

However, an industry source said in this case, the “road” was more like a toll road, as the cash-strapped Ukrainian government was receiving overflight fees for each commercial flight above its territory and therefore had a financial incentive to keep the airspace open as long as possible.

 

Three days before MH17 was apparently shot down by a surface-to-air missile, Ukraine had raised the minimum altitude open for commercial flights over the eastern part of its country to 32,000 feet, from 26,000 feet previously after a military cargo jet was downed at 21,000 feet.

 

The Malaysian Transport Minister, Liow Tiong Lai, said on Saturday that the pilot had requested to fly at 35,000 feet over Ukraine’s airspace but was told by air traffic control to fly at 33,000 feet.

 

It is unclear, however, whether flying at a slightly higher altitude would have made any difference in this case as the BUK missile system that allegedly shot down MH17 can hit targets with an altitude of up to 75,000 feet.

 

A graphic compiled by German magazine Der Spiegel with data from FlightRadar24 showed Malaysia Airlines was not alone in flying over eastern Ukrainian airspace in the week before MH17 was shot down.

 

Despite the ongoing conflict with Ukraine, Russian national carrier Aeroflot flew over the area 86 times, while Singapore Airlines did so the second most at 75 times. Other carriers that used the airspace included Lufthansa, Thai Airways, Qatar Airways, Emirates and Etihad Airways.

 

However, British Airways, Air France and Cathay Pacific were among the major carriers noticeably absent from that routing.

 

The Emirates president, Tim Clark, said MH17 had “changed everything” for his airline.

 

“We will no longer rest on protocols we had in place that we honestly thought were safe,” he told the Wall Street Journal.

 

Owen Zupp, the author of The Pilots Blog, said Malaysia Airlines and others had been within their rights to fly over eastern Ukraine given it had been deemed safe to fly by IATA and the International Civil Aviation Organisation.

 

“However, some of the factors to be considered were undoubtedly the restricted airspace below the route and the reason for that restriction and the warnings that had been issued regarding operations in the region,” he said.

 

“These warnings had prompted other airlines to avoid the Ukraine airspace. There is also the apparent shooting down of other aircraft in the area and the feasibility of flying alternate routes.”

Mr Zupp said there were undoubtedly real threats to consider prior to the loss of MH17.

 

“That flight through the area may have been legal, but one must wonder whether it was prudent?”

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/ukraine-responsible-for-airspace-safety-iata-20140720-zuzmp.html#ixzz387XyHQyt

 

[Skyhighatrist]

OK.

Kaže se "ok, izvini, ja bulaznim, kao i obično".

[jms_uk]

 

A TransAsia Airlines plane has made an emergency landing in Taiwan killing 51 people, according to the Xinhua news agency.

 

The aircraft reportedly came down in the Penghu Islands off the western coast of Taiwan.

 

Authorities said the plane, carrying 58 people including four crew, crashed near the airport on the outlying Penghu island.

 

"Fifty-one people are feared dead and seven people injured," Taiwan's Civil Aeronautics Administration Shen Chi told reporters, but the local fire chief put the death toll at 45.

 

Seven people are said to have been injured in the crash.

 

Taiwan media is reporting the plane was flying a domestic route.

 

skynews SOURCE

[Muwan]

ATR-72, izgleda da su radili go around.

[borris_]

Avion Air Algerie koji je danas poletio iz Ougadougou je nestao sa ekrana.

[Muwan]

Čijeg ekrana? Oblasne kontrole ili FR aplikacije?

 

Edit: i ne reci mi da mu flight path ide preko severa Malija

Edited July 24, 2014 by beowl

[Prospero]

Flightradar24@flightradar24Follow

The only flight between Ouagadougou and Algiers today is #AH5017. We have no confirmation that this is the missing flight!

 

edit:

 

euronews ‏@euronews  1m

[CORRECTION] Missing plane is not an Airbus 320 but Swiftair MD-83 aircraft operated by Air Algerie (Reuters) #AH5017

[betty]

bbc clanak: Algeria airliner missing on Sahara route from Burkina Faso

[Muwan]

Užas blagi, ako je pao to će biti em usred Sahare em na teritoriji gde se ne zna ko pije a ko plaća. Moraće francuska vojska i avijacija da obezbede mesto pada i širu okolinu.

[Drug Chabor]

Treći avion za nedelju dana, ne znam da li se to nekada desilo...

[Caligula]

Slucajnost jbg.

[Muwan]

Izgleda da su pronašli olupinu u Maliju.

[Roger Sanchez]

wsj

 

[Indy]

A što je Iran zona visokog rizika?