8 hours ago, Budja said:

U prvom pasusu ti je falicna analgoija: "lepse mesto za tebe" != "Svet je lepse mesto":

Obrati paznju na univerzalnost druge u poredjenju sa prvom tvrdnjom.

Da je nesto lepse za osobu X je potpuno irelevantna tvrdnja za akciju. Zasto? Zato sto je nesto lepse za mene, ruznije za druge, te stoga znam da posledice moje akcije nece biti bas tako lepe ni za mene samog (mogu da me banuju za teranje sa foruma).

U drugom slucaju, tvrdnja je univerzalna, lepse mesto za SVE, je l da, osim za ubijenog, ili barem, za veliku vecinu ljudi.

Sto se Londona tice, nravno da 100.000 ljudi nikako ne moze da bude nevazna brojka, nigde u svetu.

Ajmo da pojednostavimo, iako je sve vrlo prosto samog starta:

Da li je lepo što na svetu imamo jednu osobu manje koji podržava genocid? Da.

Da li je to univerzalno, civilizacijski dobra stvar? Da.

I ne znam na koju veliku većinu ljudi misliš, hoćeš da kažeš da velika većina ljudi na ovom svetu podržava naciste iz Iz*aela?

2 hours ago, Venom said:

Ovo je smeće od bloga koje izmišlja stvari da bi ljudi kliktali. Ti stvarno ništa nisi naučio od izbora.

Dobro si naučio lekciju.

Blog ima bias, ali to je da su okrenuti uglavnom vestima o ljudima sa malo više melatonina… ili imaš neki konkretan primer ?

3 minutes ago, braca said:

Dobro si naučio lekciju.

Blog ima bias, ali to je da su okrenuti uglavnom vestima o ljudima sa malo više melatonina… ili imaš neki konkretan primer ?

Imam konkretan primer koji si već postovao:

• Opskurni blog/portal koji postuje samo kontroverzne i zapaljive sadržaje

• Ne navodi nijedan izvor informacije

• Tu informaciju ne možeš naći nigde drugde

To su ti oni makedonski autori što su zaluđivali narod o Hillary pred izbore. Sadržaj koji nema svrhu osim da na njega klikneš. Ti si takoreći roba koju prodavac upakuje u klik i prodaje dalje.

Danas svaki retard može da napravi izvor informacija. Ono što je u međuvremenu provaljeno i postalo široko rasprostranjeno je da ljudi ne traže informacije da bi se informisali, nego potvrdu svojih uverenja. I zato ih je lako upakovati u klik i od toga živeti. I to je između ostalog razlog zašto je Charlie Kirk postojao kao fenomen, zašto je ovoliko sukoba u društvu itd. Ljudi žive izolovani jedni od drugih i neko ih non stop truje. Civilizacija nije bila na dovoljno visokom nivou da izađe na kraj sa društvenim mrežama.

Tvoj je izbor da li ćeš biti klik ovca ili ne.

Edited September 14, 2025Sep 14 by Venom

7 minutes ago, Venom said:

Imam konkretan primer koji si već postovao:

• Opskurni blog/portal koji postuje samo kontroverzne i zapaljive sadržaje

• Ne navodi nijedan izvor informacije

• Tu informaciju ne možeš naći nigde drugde

To su ti oni makedonski autori što su zaluđivali narod o Hillary pred izbore. Sadržaj koji nema svrhu osim da na njega klikneš. Ti si takoreći roba koju prodavac upakuje u klik i prodaje dalje.

Danas svaki retard može da napravi izvor informacija. Ono što je u međuvremenu provaljeno i postalo široko rasprostranjeno je da ljudi ne traže informacije da bi se informisali, nego potvrdu svojih uverenja. I zato ih je lako upakovati u klik i od toga živeti.

Tvoj je izbor da li ćeš biti klik ovca ili ne.

Dobro™

https://x.com/i/grok/share/6VpJU6QR93ajdd2sE5z3TlTcm

Kaže "reports as radicalized within the Groyper army" - daj jedan kredibilan izvor koji to potvrđuje.

Grok nije izvor i to je lako dokazati, vidi šta je meni postovao dole. Tvoj izbor je očigledno da budeš ovca. Da ti olakšam pošto su jedan od ljudi koji ne čita dalje od naslova, Grok kaže: Conclusion: Yes, Evidence Indicates Left-Wing Radicalization

Background on Tyler Robinson

Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old from Washington County, Utah, was arrested on September 12, 2025, as the suspect in the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk during a speaking event at Utah Valley University on September 11, 2025. Robinson, a third-year student in an electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College, was apprehended after his family identified him from surveillance footage and turned him in to authorities. He faces charges including aggravated murder, obstruction of justice, and felony discharge of a firearm, and is being held without bail. Officials believe he acted alone, based on evidence like Discord messages and engraved bullet casings recovered near the scene.

Robinson grew up in a conservative, Republican, and Mormon family in St. George, Utah—a staunchly conservative area. His parents are registered Republicans with active gun licenses, and his father is a retired sheriff's deputy. Family members and neighbors described him as reserved, intelligent, and academically successful in high school, where he earned a 4.0 GPA and a merit scholarship to Utah State University (which he attended for only one semester before dropping out). Voter records show Robinson as unaffiliated with any political party since his registration in 2021. There are unverified claims of a small Trump donation in 2020, but no confirmed donations or voting history indicate strong partisan ties.

Evidence of Radicalization

Investigators and family statements suggest Robinson underwent a significant shift toward left-leaning, anti-conservative views in recent years, particularly after high school. Key details include:

• Family Accounts: During a recent family dinner, Robinson expressed strong dislike for Charlie Kirk and his viewpoints, according to a relative interviewed by police. A family member told authorities he had "become more political in recent years" and was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology." Utah Governor Spencer Cox (R) echoed this in interviews, stating investigators pieced together Robinson's views from family conversations and describing the radicalization as occurring "in a fairly short amount of time." His grandmother, Debbie Robinson, told media outlets she was "confused" by his actions, noting he had never discussed politics with her but that the family was overwhelmingly Republican for Trump.

• Bullet Engravings and Anti-Fascist Symbolism: Unfired bullet casings found with the discarded rifle included inscriptions like "Hey fascist, catch" and "Bella Ciao" (a song associated with Italian anti-fascist resistance during World War II and later adopted by leftist and Antifa movements). Cox highlighted these as evidence of anti-conservative motives, with "Bella Ciao" specifically tied to radical left symbolism. Other engravings referenced internet memes and video games (e.g., arrow symbols from Helldivers 2), blending online culture with political rhetoric. While some speculated these could reference alt-right "Groyper" memes (followers of white nationalist Nick Fuentes, who criticized Kirk as not "right-wing enough"), officials and Cox dismissed this, attributing them to leftist anti-fascism.

• Online Activity and Associations: Robinson was active on Discord, where messages from an account named "Tyler" referenced the rifle (e.g., hiding it wrapped in a towel) and matched crime scene evidence. A Discord spokesperson confirmed an account linked to him but found no evidence of planning violence on the platform. Reports indicate he participated in left-leaning Discords and had become involved in anti-conservative activism. Media outlets like LifeNews and the New York Post cited family friends describing him as a "hardcore leftist" who rejected his Republican upbringing. There are also unconfirmed reports of him living with or dating a transgender individual, which some conservative sources frame as evidence of left-wing influence, though this remains speculative and not directly tied to the motive.

• Motive and Planning: Robinson arrived at the event in a gray Dodge Challenger around 8:29 a.m., wearing a maroon T-shirt, shorts, and a black hat. He discussed Kirk's upcoming appearance with a family member beforehand. Authorities recovered the rifle in nearby woods, consistent with his Discord instructions to a roommate. Cox noted the attack appeared targeted at Kirk's conservative activism, aligning with Robinson's expressed anti-fascist sentiments.

Counterarguments and Conflicting Narratives

While the preponderance of evidence from official sources points to left-wing radicalization, some left-leaning media and social media users have pushed back, emphasizing his conservative family background and speculating about far-right ties:

• Family Conservatism as Evidence: Outlets like Newsweek and The Daily Beast highlighted the family's MAGA support, with the grandmother stating, "My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump. Most of my family members are Republican." Some argued this implicates right-wing radicalization, calling for "apologies" from conservatives who initially blamed the "radical left." However, family statements explicitly describe Robinson's divergence from these views.

• Groyper/Alt-Right Speculation: Online speculation linked engravings to Groyper memes, portraying Robinson as a far-right extremist disillusioned with Kirk. This narrative gained traction on platforms like Reddit and X, with users claiming he was "way far from being a leftist" and part of a "white nationalist" network. However, no concrete evidence (e.g., affiliations or posts) supports this; investigators found no ties to such groups, and Cox rejected it during press conferences.

• Broader Online Radicalization: Some neutral analyses, like in The New York Times, suggest the messages reflect "enigmatic, coded communication" from gaming and internet culture, not strictly ideological. A Reddit thread speculated he was "terminally online" and radicalized by "white YouTube slop" or college professors, but without specifics. No evidence links him to organized left-wing groups like Antifa beyond the symbolic engravings.

These counter-narratives appear driven by partisan incentives, especially after President Trump's initial statements blaming "radical left" rhetoric. However, they lack substantiation from law enforcement or family, and the bullet inscriptions—core physical evidence—align more closely with anti-fascist, left-wing motifs.

Conclusion: Yes, Evidence Indicates Left-Wing Radicalization

Based on statements from Utah Governor Spencer Cox, family interviews, and forensic evidence like the bullet engravings, Tyler Robinson appears to have been radicalized toward left-wing, anti-fascist ideology in recent years, diverging sharply from his conservative upbringing. This shift likely occurred through online platforms like Discord and exposure to anti-conservative rhetoric, culminating in targeted hatred for figures like Charlie Kirk, whom he viewed as a "fascist spreading hate." While his unaffiliated status and family background fuel debate, official investigations do not support far-right involvement. The case highlights broader concerns about online radicalization across the political spectrum, but the substantiated details point to leftist influences as the primary driver. The investigation continues, and a motive will be clarified in court.

Edited September 14, 2025Sep 14 by Venom

Najbolje bi bilo da vi nekako spojite svoje grokove pa da komuniciraju međusobno, jedna instanca drugoj da sipa prežvakani content u uši. Nema razloga da se džabe trigeruju ljudske vijuge, udrite AI-on-AI action.

In other news, https://thenebulator.substack.com/p/this-is-how-you-get-a-civil-war

Dogodine u Majamiju.

Dogodine u Las Vegasu

4 minutes ago, kronostime said:

Dogodine u Majamiju.

Pazi što se žuti dole, otkinula im Kanada deo Floride majku joj jebem.

Edited September 14, 2025Sep 14 by Weenie Pooh

1 minute ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Pazi što se žuti dole, otkinula im Kanada deo Floride majku joj jebem.

Sto da ne?

Kad mogu kod nas Madjari da budu u Vranju - sto ne bi i Kanadjani bili na Floridi?

1 hour ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Najbolje bi bilo da vi nekako spojite svoje grokove pa da komuniciraju međusobno, jedna instanca drugoj da sipa prežvakani content u uši. Nema razloga da se džabe trigeruju ljudske vijuge, udrite AI-on-AI action.

In other news, https://thenebulator.substack.com/p/this-is-how-you-get-a-civil-war

To i jeste poenta. Grok može da izbaci šta hoćeš zavisno od premise koju mi postaviš. I zato će napraviti još veće probleme od društvenih mreža.

20 minutes ago, Venom said:

To i jeste poenta. Grok može da izbaci šta hoćeš zavisno od premise koju mi postaviš. I zato će napraviti još veće probleme od društvenih mreža.

Neverovatno je da toliko ljudi ne shvata da im chatbot povlađuje, servira ono što misli da žele da čuju na osnovu toga kako je pitanje koncipirano, čak i na najbenignije teme.

Otvoriš drugi tab, postaviš isto pitanje samo ga drugačije sročiš, i dobiješ fundamentalno drugačiji odgovor.

8 hours ago, copkillah said:

Ajmo da pojednostavimo, iako je sve vrlo prosto samog starta:

Da li je lepo što na svetu imamo jednu osobu manje koji podržava genocid? Da.

Da li je to univerzalno, civilizacijski dobra stvar? Da.

I ne znam na koju veliku većinu ljudi misliš, hoćeš da kažeš da velika većina ljudi na ovom svetu podržava naciste iz Iz*aela?

Pitanje sadrzi drugaciju tvrdnju od pocetne.

"Lepo sto na svetu..." nije isto sto i "Svet je lepse mesto..."

Na primer, lepo je sto je Hitler voleo pse i izgradio autoputeve, ali svet nije lepse mesto sa Hitlerom.

Prva tvrdnja nije univerzalna jer se odnosi na karakteristiku jedne osobe koja je pozeljna (Kirk genocidas i Hitler ljubitelj zivotinja), "Svet je lepse mesto..." je univerzalna jer se odnosi na karakteristiku sveta koji je univerzalan termin.

Znam da izgleda da cepam dlaku na cetvroro, ali u nekim delikatnim situacijama je jako vazno precizno koriscenje jezija.

Daj da pokažemo da nismo isti.

Legenda anti breksita je tu da nam pokaže: