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36 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

 

Nema sumnje da će se upravo to desiti ako ih naoružaju, samo je pitanje vremena. 

 

Meni je veći mindfuck kad pomislim sa kakvim mentalnim problemima će da rastu ta deca koja treba da jednim okom motre na vršnjake a drugim na nastavnike, ne znajući ko je od njih više trigger-happy. 

 

Mislim, verujem da im ni danas nije lako, ali ko zna šta budućnost nosi.

 

Ipak je pobedio onaj veseljak sa zamkama za pacove.

 

Hoces da sprecis unosenje oruzja u skole tako sto ces da ih napunis oruzjem do vrha, zadenutim za pojas penzionerima iz vojske i policije. What could possibly go wrong?

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1 hour ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Eto kako razgovor sa tobom ide :isuse:

 

Sam pitaš u čemu je problem sa mass shootings na ruskoj temi, ja ti strpljivo objasnim kako je čitav sumanut sistem primarno motivisan profitom.

 

Ti ne izneseš nijedan kontraargument, bukvalno ništa. Samo ljubazno zaključiš raspravu sa "ne slažem se ali hvala na odgovoru", i ostaviš link do posta na ovoj temi u kom opušteno pišeš da je ko ne misli kao ti ili pokvaren ili glup.

 

Mogao si taj l'esprit de escalier da podeliš i tamo, umesto što pljuckaš u povlačenju. Tužno, bedno, i kukavički je to što radiš. 

Ja sam ti se zahvalio na, za razliku od prethodnih razmena postova sa mnom, koncentrisanom odgovoru. Profit koji pominješ jeste važan deo problema, ali je za američke prilike čitava industrija jako mala i ne bi trebalo da ima prevagu u tome da u beskonačnost odlaže ograničavanje prodaje naoružanja. na kraju, ono što je najbitnije i na šta sam mislio, prilično je očigledno da samo jedna strana (republikanska) američke politike tvrdoglavo istrajava na bezrezervnoj podršci za slobodan pristup naoružanju, a sve što si ti napisao je išlo u tvoju "sve je to isto" priču koju uporno guraš, u vezi sa kojom i dalje tvrdim da je svako ko tako govori ili pokvaren ili glup. Što se linka tiče, nisam hteo da ponavljam post ili da pišem ponovo na drugoj temi sa malim promenama pa sam ga zato stavio kao odgovor.

 

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Sat vremena je ubijao decu u jednoj ucionici pre nego su uopste usli unutra. Za to vreme ocajni roditelji su trazili nacin da udju sami. Muz jedne od ubijenih uciteljica doziveo smrtonosan infarkt dva dana po masakru. A izgleda da su i prvi zvanicni izvestaji malko frizirani.

 

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Hour passed before tactical team entered 4th grade classroom

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By Jon Swaine, Joyce Lee and Mark Berman5:22 p.m.
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Everyone was being told to stand back.

Desperate parents gathering outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex., were ordered by police to move away as they begged officers in tactical gear to go inside after a gunman. Some tried to rush in themselves; one man was pinned to the ground by officers, video recorded at the scene shows, and a witness told The Washington Post that a woman was handcuffed.

In bursts of chatter on an open radio channel on Tuesday, local ambulance drivers were directed to reports of injuries at a dangerous situation at the school, but cautioned to give law enforcement space to do their job. “Please, just stay back,” a voice told them. “I’ll call you guys up one at a time if we need you.”

But even as police from local, state and federal agencies responded to the scene, an hour passed before a heavily armed tactical team entered a 4th grade classroom and killed 18-year-old Salvador Rolando Ramos, according to video and information provided for the first time Thursday by public officials. By then, the gunman had fatally shot 19 students and two teachers and wounded 17 others — America’s deadliest school massacre in almost a decade.

 
 
 
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Witness on police response: ‘They just stood there’

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Dora and Bob Estrada, who live across from the street from Robb Elementary School’s main entrance, could not understand why they kept seeing police officers arrive at the scene but not immediately attempt to storm the building.

“There were a bunch of cops on the corner, and just one close, further to the front [of the school], and they were just standing there,” Dora Estrada said.

“They just stood there,” Bob Estrada said.

The Estradas’ comments come amid growing questions by parents and others about the police response to the shooting.

After an hour or so, Bob Estrada said, he started seeing schoolchildren leave from a side door near the school cafeteria. He immediately rushed over to the parking lot to see whether he could find his grandson Jayden.

“The kids were not running, but they were in a hurry,” he recalled. “That is when I saw [Jayden’s teacher], and I said, ‘Where is Jayden?’ She said, ‘He’s right here, and he’s safe.’”

 

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/26/go-in-there-people-begged-police-to-enter-uvalde-school-as-gunman-rampaged-for-up-to-an-hour/

 

 

 

I onda fasistoidni degenerik sa Fox News objasni da su od pandemijskog lokdauna pobenavili. Sve je to isto!?
 
 
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ox News' Tucker Carlson has a new, disturbing conspiracy theory he's circulating in an attempt to explain the so-called real reason for the mass shooting that took place in Uvalde, Texas.

On Wednesday, May 25, the conservative news host attempted to create some form of connection between the Texas school massacre, the Buffalo, N.Y. supermarket shooting, and the measures that were previously in place to mitigate the spread of COVID-19.

"Oh, so the lockdowns dramatically increase the incidence of mental illness among young people and in 10 days, we've seen two mass shootings by mentally ill young people. Could there be a connection?" he asked. "Now, that's not finger-pointing. It's not to blame [Dr. Anthony] Fauci for yesterday's shooting. We're not that low. We're not Joe Biden. But if people are becoming mentally ill because they're disconnected from others, what can we do to connect them to others and thereby reduce the incidence of mental illness? That's a real conversation."

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The two deadly shootings have led to renewed calls for stricter gun laws as the shooters, both 18, used assault rifles they'd had the freedom to purchase legally. Collectively, they killed a total of 31 victims.

Despite Carlson's arguments, HuffPost points out: "Many countries implemented lengthy and isolating lockdowns during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Australia and New Zealand, which have stricter gun control measures than the U.S., experienced some of the world's longest lockdowns, yet saw no comparable shootings."

However, Republicans like Carlson insist stricter gun laws could make things worse and possibly lead to a "civil war."

"We will never get rid of all of those guns. The Constitution prohibits that and you would set off a civil war if you tried to do it," he said. "'So gun control, whether you find the slogans appealing or not, will not stop' the next mass shooters.

 

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5 hours ago, harper said:

 

Još jednom da ponovim da je to ograničenje pristupa naoružanju (uz otkup) 1996. u Australiji koje Džimi ovde pominje sprovela vlada Džona Hauarda, najkonzervativnijeg predsednika vlade u poređenju sa ostalim liberalnim predsednicima vlade (a kamoli laburistima), u čemu je tada bio debelo potpomognut od strane koalicionih partnera Narodnjaka (koji su ruralna stranka za čije je glasačko telo posedovanje naoružanja kao dobar dan).

 

I recept za budućnost koji je Džimi sugerisao na kraju je odličan - nemojte više da glasate za ovakve nitkove, samo za to je verovatno potrebno da se pojave kandidati za senatore koji će da izađu sa svim ostalim parametrima koji privlače republikanske glasače, osim slobodnog pristupa naoružanju, u otklonu od koga treba da naprave razliku

 

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I-havent-gotten-jaded-or-cynical-about-mass--but-its-getting-harder

 

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As I've grown older, the mass shootings have continued, growing more deadly — if that is possible — and more obtuse. Sometimes they seem to have no motive at all. Sometimes it is racism or misogyny, and sometimes it has to do with someone hating someone else because of their sexual preferences. We are a barbaric, brutish people in this country. We ignore the victims of carnage while remaining intent on defending a person's right to stockpile weapons and use them on the very children we claim we want to protect. 

 

 

 

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This is the American tragedy: Thousands of needlessly dead people. Their deaths spread across the last 40 years have not only poisoned the lives of the survivors, but by extension every person in the United States, as the cancerous poison has spread. 

Let that one sink in. In my professional life as a reporter, I've covered a wide variety of deaths. I've covered hundreds if not thousands of murders, from war and riots to crime and accidental killings. The accidents include people firing firearms into the air to celebrate the New Year – with people miles away killed by a bullet that fell back to earth. I've been able to handle these deaths and process them the way most cops and cop reporters do — with a dark sense of humor, and sometimes by imbibing copious amounts of alcohol. But it has never numbed me.

 

 

 

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Ultimately this boils down to us. If we continue to vote crap into office, it is crap we will get back. Garbage in, garbage out. Those who put their personal interests ahead of the interests of the nation are not only unsympathetic narcissists, but they lack the empathy a human being needs in order to serve and represent others.

You know who you are. We know who you are. And voting you out of office is the Christian thing to do.

Biden tried to shame opponents of gun control in his speech from the White House Tuesday. "We have to make it clear to every elected official in this country. It's time to act. It's time for those who obstruct or delay or block the common-sense gun laws, we have to let you know we will not forget. We can do so much more. We have to do more."

Yes. But that is just a start. Shame doesn't work on the shameless.

Mental health and education are part of the puzzle. But for now, let's take the first step: Get rid of the goddamn guns.

Remember, the 18-year-old shooter in Uvalde bought two rifles just two days before he killed 19 children and a teacher.

 

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7 hours ago, Gojko & Stojko said:

Profit koji pominješ jeste važan deo problema, ali je za američke prilike čitava industrija jako mala i ne bi trebalo da ima prevagu u tome da u beskonačnost odlaže ograničavanje prodaje naoružanja. na kraju, ono što je najbitnije i na šta sam mislio, prilično je očigledno da samo jedna strana (republikanska) američke politike tvrdoglavo istrajava na bezrezervnoj podršci za slobodan pristup naoružanju, a sve što si ti napisao je išlo u tvoju "sve je to isto" priču koju uporno guraš, u vezi sa kojom i dalje tvrdim da je svako ko tako govori ili pokvaren ili glup. 

 

Mhm, profit znači jeste važan ali je realno mali i ne bi trebalo da ima prevagu :isuse: Prevagu u odnosu na šta, čoveče?!

 

Ti ljudi su profesionalni političari, ni "i" od ideologije nisu videli (čast izuzecima). Temeljno su i sasvim legalno korumpirani ne samo po pitanju naoružanja nego po svakom iole bitnijem pitanju, igraju kako gazda svira i jebe im se za stav javnosti. Lobiranje je sastavni deo tog bizarnog sistema, odavno ustaljen, niko ni ne pomišlja da ga ukloni jer bi to potkopalo onaj drugi, neprofitni stub na kom sve počiva - stabilnost. 

 

Naravno da republikanci dobijaju beskrajno više novca i podrške iz NRA nego što dobijaju demokrate, to niko ne spori. Ali ti se za tu činjenicu očajnički hvataš kao da ona nešto objašnjava, kao da kontrira stavu o dubokoj, fundamentalnoj podmitljivosti američke političke kaste. Živa je šteta što ne živiš tamo, bio bi uzoran glasač, lojalno zaglupljen i uvek spreman da ispali standardno opravdanje za svoje favorite: "Nije do nas, ona druga stranka nam sreću kvari."

 

Glasanjem za liberalno-etiketiranu podgrupu te kaste, umesto za onu konzervativno-etiketiranu, neće se promeniti ništa bitno. Imali su tvoji™ vlast u bezbroj navrata, ne tako davno čak i apsolutnu većinu. Zašto ništa nisu promenili? Odgovor imaš gore (isplati im se da ne talasaju previše), ali ti više voliš da gutaš opravdanja koja ti nude. (Bipartisanship...! Filibuster...! Umro Ted Kennedy...! The midterms, won't someone please think of the midterms!)

 

Ali dobro™, očekujem da se za još koju deceniju i hektolitar krvi ipak usvoji kakva-takva reformica. Uvešće npr. background checks na federalnom nivou, proglasiće pobedu, mahaće se zastavicama, a onda će sve nastaviti po starom.

 

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On 25.5.2022. at 20:50, pt 2.0 said:

Jedini kanal na engleskom na koji sam naletela u hotelu (CNN on scene) prića o tome sa izveštajima sa lica mesta, meni je ovo nepojmljivo jezivo.

Reporterka u nekom trenutku kaže da su imali dvesta i nešto “shooting spree” (?) slučajeva u poslednjih godinu dana u SAD (umorna sam pa malo kljucam), nek zabrane slobodnu kupovinu jebenog oružja (znam da je utopija i sve o američkom vidjenju toga, ali ovo sa školama i decom mi je stvarno izvan zone poimanja). Ili neka obezbede škole drugačije.

 

Gledam lica te dece koje nema… jebote nerealno. Devetnaestoro dečice. Dva nastavnika. Eksplodiraće mi mozak.

 

EDIT. Evo ponovili su broj sa slikom - u 2022. godini do sada: 213 shooting sprees. Jebotebog više nego dana u godini do sada.

ne znam da li se sećaš da je neka US zvanična budala predlagala naoružavanje nastavnika kada je u pitanju ovo što sam zamastio.

US je definitivno poslednja zemlja razvijenog sveta u kojoj bi poželeo da živim. čak i posle putinove rusije. ne kapiram norvežane, nemce, holanđane, kanađane koji se sele tamo.

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Sele se zato što imaju priliku da dobro zarade, a realno stvari (još) nisu do te mere degradirale da dobro situirani osete ove najteže posledice.

 

Lepo odeš u neki gated community, bezbednost na nivou, deca u elitnim školama, pare ležu na račun... kontakt sa plebsom ne moraš ni da imaš.

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6 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Sele se zato što imaju priliku da dobro zarade, ...

Pored vrhunske zarade, postoji i motiv napretka. U pojedinim oblastima, poput AI (pogotovo autonmona voznja), delovi farmacije i sl. Od Zapadnih zemalja samo u US moze da se pravi uspeh i dobra karijera.

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14 hours ago, Moonwalker said:

 

Sat vremena je ubijao decu u jednoj ucionici pre nego su uopste usli unutra. Za to vreme ocajni roditelji su trazili nacin da udju sami. Muz jedne od ubijenih uciteljica doziveo smrtonosan infarkt dva dana po masakru. A izgleda da su i prvi zvanicni izvestaji malko frizirani.

 

 

u stvari cudo je da manijak nije pobio mnogo vise dece.

gospoda policajci su cekali jer su dobili "pogresno obavestenje" da je stanje bilo "barricaded shooter" umesto, kao sto je trebalo, "active shooter"

verovatno su bili previsie daleko da bi culi pucnje ili su mislili da shooter puca u sebe.

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Ja koliko znam decaci rastu i posle 18 godina, verovatno se i mozak i kontrola impulsa jos razvija.


Pa zato im je i zabranjen alkohol ali nije i ubijanje. Primamljuju ih u armiju samo tako, na kvarno

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Pa zato im je i zabranjen alkohol ali nije i ubijanje. Primamljuju ih u armiju samo tako, na kvarno

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Jasno je meni to ali ne izlaze u grad sa utokom ipak su pod nekim satro nadzorom i u organizovanoj organizaciji u mirnodopskim uslovima. 

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Nista preciznije ne objasnjava deficit americke demokratije od ovog pitanja posedovanja i zloupotrebe naoruzanja. Gledam juce reakcije ljudi koji su za to da se nesto uradi da bi se sprecile ovakve tragedije, niko  od njih uopste ne veruje da je bilo sta moguce promeniti po tom pitanju i savrseno su svesni da nekontrolisana prodaja oruzja nece biti zaustavljena u SAD taman da svaki dan neki ludak udje u neku skolu i pobije dvadesetoro dece. Zato sam i postavio onaj Kimelov klip, tacno se vidi nemoc u tih njegovih nekoliko minuta. Moze 89, 90, sto posto ljudi u SAD da zeli taj famozni background check, najobicniji zdravorazumski potez koji zapravo nije nista drugo osim pokazatelja na koliko niskom nivou se NRA i industrija oruzja brane, dobice kitu rosnog cveca i nista vise. Ko treba da bude kupljen je kupljen, sta misli vecina to tome nikog nije briga dok lova kaplje. Kad to ne moze da prodje, da se bar zna kome se prodaje poluautomatsko oruzje, zabrana ili ogranicenje prodaje oruzja je nezamisliva.

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Jasno je meni to ali ne izlaze u grad sa utokom ipak su pod nekim satro nadzorom i u organizovanoj organizaciji u mirnodopskim uslovima. 
Amerika ne bi bila to što jeste da je ostala mirnodopska, to što su uslovi takvi da može biti samozadovoljna ne znači da je to u interesu njene ideje o AWL

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