Tsai Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, Joe D said: niste ovako krla branili kad je banovan sa twittera. Prvo su doshli po krla.. 1
Krošek Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said: ... Merkel je u pravu kad poziva na restrikcije sloboda "within a framework defined by the legislator, not by the decision of the management of social media platforms” ali bojim se da je to too little too late. nema slobode na tviteru, to je njihov sajt i mogu da rade s tvojim nalogom i asociranim sadrzajem sta god hoce. da bi ti imao slobodu na tviteru, tviter mora biti prepoznat kao deljeno, drustveno, podrucje. kao sto je ulica ili trg. ali tviter je samo sajt u vlasnistvu privatne firme. prema tome mora se videti to nesto sustinski dobro u tviteru, to sto ga izdvaja iz mora drugih sajtova, ta pozeljna paradigma u delovanju tvitera, da bismo identifikovali bivstvovanje na tviteru kao objektom slobode. 36 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said: Ti ga, koliko vidim, ne braniš iz ugla "dužnost spram društvene funkcije" već iz ugla "pravo da zastupaju interese svog brenda". Pozivanje čas na jednu čas na drugu perspektivu po potrebi nije baš motte-and-bailey retorika ali dosta je slično. ... treba ipak da odgovorim na ovaj deo - nisam se pozivao cas na jednu cas na drugu perspektivu, kad sam naveo onu prvu perspektivu, to je samo cinjenicno, deksriptivno, ko su relevantni people, i da nisu dobro prikazani u kritikovanom tvitu. ali osim toga, ja ne branim tviter, nego smatram da je social commentary na temu banovanja trampa promasen i bespredmetan. edit: utoliko sto nista novo nismo saznali o tviteru. nije predjen nikakav rubikon i nista se znacajno nije desilo time. business as usual u kapitalizmu. ne vredi kreciti kad se zna sta je ispod. Edited January 11, 2021 by Krošek 1
vememah Posted January 11, 2021 Author Posted January 11, 2021 Maler, nema organske klope u bajboku. 2 6
Gandalf Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Budja said: Razumem politicku logiku. No, politicka logika stapa nalaze i sargarepu. Da li ce biti te sargarepe? Ne za Proud Boys i Trampa, vec za 30-40 miliona zabludelih i izmedju 100-150 kongresmena. Bajden je dobro pozicioniran za šargarepu, videćemo. a što se tiče onoga što sam mislio da je malo verovatno... upravo videh ovo. https://www.politicususa.com/2021/01/10/jim-clyburn-mob-unmarked-office.html Clyburn said on CNN’s State Of The Union, “I’m saying that I have an unmarked office that you gotta know exactly where it is. It is where I spend most of my time doing my work as the Majority Whip. I have a staff. We work pretty hard trying to keep up with members, trying to make sure they do an effective job of managing the votes once they get to the floor, and that office is where I do most of my work, and for some reason, these people showed up at that office, but the office where my name is above the door, on the door, and my position above the door was not disturbed. I’m just saying. They didn’t go to where my name was, they went to where I usually hang out, so that to me suggests that something untoward was going on.” edit: DC je grad sa većinskim crnačkom populacijom, posebno deo neposredno istočno i jugoistočno od Kapitola. ako je citirano tačno, da su se kojim slučajem dočepali Klajburna i vest se raširila... Edited January 11, 2021 by Gandalf
Peter Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gandalf said: a što se tiče onoga što sam mislio da je malo verovatno... upravo videh ovo. https://www.politicususa.com/2021/01/10/jim-clyburn-mob-unmarked-office.html Clyburn said on CNN’s State Of The Union, U vezi toga: Two U.S. Capitol Police Officers have been suspended for their actions during the deadly insurrection by supporters of President Donald Trump last week, according to a Democratic lawmaker who oversees the law enforcement agency's congressional funding. Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) told reporters on a video call Monday afternoon that an officer seen posing for a selfie with a rioter after they stormed the building and another who donned a red Trump hat while directing the rioters in the sprawling, multi-level complex have since been suspended. A third individual was arrested, Ryan said, but he was unsure whether that person was a Capitol Police officer or a member of the D.C. National Guard. A spokesperson for the Capitol Police did not immediately respond to Newsweek's request for comment. Another 10 to 15 officers are also under investigation, according to Ryan. He did not have specific details about their alleged behavior. Two Capitol Police Officers Suspended, Another Official Arrested for Roles in Trump Riot (msn.com)
harper lee Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Krošek said: Kina sigurno nije blokirala tviter 2009. godine zbog nekih privatnih interesa nego u cilju represije. To je prosto cinjenica. Naravno da je cinjenica, zaboga. Kao sto je cinjenica da je ta represija posledica necijih privatnih interesa, u ovom slucaju kineske politicke elite. Koji su tacno svoj privatni interes vlasnici Tvitera imali kad su sutnuli Trampa? Vecu zaradu? Bolju reputaciju? Gde su bili godinama ranije da se sete tog svog interesa? Ta prica o privatnim kompanijama tog tipa koje se rukovode samo svojim interesima i ne razmisljaju o javnom interesu ili im neki centar moci ne "objasni" sta je njihov interes je bajka za malu decu. Da je Tviter tamo neki sajt, jedan od mnogo hiljada slicnih, kao sto pokusavas da predstavis, ovo ne bi bila tema uopste. Mi u ovom slucaju imamo kompaniju koja je uskocila u "udri magare dok je u blatu" bandwagon jer im je tako naredjeno da urade, sve ovo drugo sa fantomskim pozivima na nasilje koji su odjednom poceli da svrbe vlasnike Tvitera i nekom principijelnom politikom privatne kompanije je samo parada za naivne. 5
Dankan Ajdaho Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, harper said: Uzgred, hajde da se ne zajebavamo i glumimo slepilo kod ociju. Cetiri godine Tramp zloupotrebljava Tviter, krsi njihova pravila, laze, proganja i poziva na nasilje obilato pa im to nije smetalo, sada su odlucili da mu ukinu nalog sirokim tumacenjem sta je poziv na nasilje. Kao, vlasnici su pa su takvu odluku doneli, nothing to see here. Nismo bas svi tolike budale da poverujemo u tako nesto jer nam odgovara da verujemo. Menadzment Tvitera se oko ove odluke pitao koliko sam se ja pitao, s tom razlikom sto su oni bili u poziciji da sprovedu tudju odluku a ja nisam. Ovo može da se prokomentariše i sa tri reči - prevršila dara meru. Za te četri (i više) godina Tram nije svojim laprdanjem doveo do direktnog nasilja i nečije smrti. Ovoga puta jeste, nahuškavši budaletine na nešto što su oni smatrali revolucijom. Naravno da ih je moron samo podržao u toj zabludi. E sad, kada je svima postalo jasno da je đavo odneo šalu, a ova slika je možda i najbolja ilustracija: Možebiti da je konačno došlo iz dupeta u glavu. Ništa više, ništa manje. 1
Skyhighatrist Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 President Donald J. Trump Approves District of Columbia Emergency Declaration Quote Issued on: January 11, 2021 Today, President Donald J. Trump declared that an emergency exists in the District of Columbia and ordered Federal assistance to supplement the District’s response efforts due to the emergency conditions resulting from the 59th Presidential Inauguration from January 11 to January 24, 2021. The President’s action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, and to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the District of Columbia. Ššta koji k?
vememah Posted January 12, 2021 Author Posted January 12, 2021 Malo konteksta. Quote D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser had declared a state of emergency in the city on Wednesday in the aftermath of the takeover of the Capitol by rioters incited by Trump. Reports of further planned violent demonstrations have continued to circulate ahead of Inauguration Day, and Trump’s order on Monday allows the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency to assist the city in any emergency response. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/11/donald-trump-dc-state-of-emergency-inauguration-457890 Quote The move came after D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) over the weekend asked Trump to issue an emergency declaration amid concerns about potential threats to the inauguration on Jan. 20 after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol in a deadly and violent attack last week. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533746-trump-makes-emergency-declaration-ahead-of-biden-inauguration
Weenie Pooh Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Krošek said: nema slobode na tviteru, to je njihov sajt i mogu da rade s tvojim nalogom i asociranim sadrzajem sta god hoce. da bi ti imao slobodu na tviteru, tviter mora biti prepoznat kao deljeno, drustveno, podrucje. kao sto je ulica ili trg. ali tviter je samo sajt u vlasnistvu privatne firme. prema tome mora se videti to nesto sustinski dobro u tviteru, to sto ga izdvaja iz mora drugih sajtova, ta pozeljna paradigma u delovanju tvitera, da bismo identifikovali bivstvovanje na tviteru kao objektom slobode. Apsolutno ne mora. Ne znam zašto tvrdoglavo odbijaš da prihvatiš ogroman značaj društvenih mreža, bez vrednosnog suda. Kad god dođeš do ivice ti samo kažeš "ceterum censeo ja mislim da je taj Tviter sranje". To što ti se nešto ne sviđa ne znači da moraš da se pretvaraš ne nosi određenu težinu. Milijardu ljudi usvaja informacije tim putem, pobogu. Merkel IMO ispravno konstatuje da je značaj društvenih mreža postao preveliki da bi se ostavio na nivou samoregulacije i slobodnog tržišta. Naravno, ništa se ne bi postiglo ni njihovim tretiranjem kao da su klasični mediji u pitanju (nametanjem odgovornosti firmi za sve što njeni korisnici bupnu), ali postoje razni modaliteti koje bi trebalo istražiti. Evo za početak, oduzmeš im pravo/obavezu na factchecking i konsekventno uterivanje istine banovanjem. Neka to radi neko (nad)državno telo, nije bitno koje, može da zaseda skupština UN što se mene tiče. A za tebe mrzitelja, ta nacionalizacija raznih Tvitera bila bi verovatno optimalno rešenje. Uvođenje zvanične državne cenzure bio bi korak u pravcu ubijanja čitavog socmed fenomena. Svi srećni, svi zadovoljni... osim libertarijanaca. 1
Weenie Pooh Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, Skyhighatrist said: Ššta koji k? Pojačane mere bezbednosti za inauguraciju, ništa neočekivano. The show must go on. 1
iDemo Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 - baba (gleda pornjavu): hoce'l se ovi uzeti do kraja filma? - unuk: ne znam, baba, al' da ce biti karanje - bice... Parler sues Amazon for suspending app from cloud service, claims antitrust violation and breach of contract (6 hours ago)
ragasto Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Peter Fan said: U vezi toga: Two U.S. Capitol Police Officers have been suspended for their actions during the deadly insurrection by supporters of President Donald Trump last week, according to a Democratic lawmaker who oversees the law enforcement agency's congressional funding. Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) told reporters on a video call Monday afternoon that an officer seen posing for a selfie with a rioter after they stormed the building and another who donned a red Trump hat while directing the rioters in the sprawling, multi-level complex have since been suspended. A third individual was arrested, Ryan said, but he was unsure whether that person was a Capitol Police officer or a member of the D.C. National Guard. A spokesperson for the Capitol Police did not immediately respond to Newsweek's request for comment. Another 10 to 15 officers are also under investigation, according to Ryan. He did not have specific details about their alleged behavior. Two Capitol Police Officers Suspended, Another Official Arrested for Roles in Trump Riot (msn.com) Agenta koji je ubio onu ženu niko nigde ni ne pominje, jel? Ne mora da bude suspenzija, makar u kontekstu istrage zbog prekomerne sile...?
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