jms_uk Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Skyhighatrist said: I onda ova riba gore uradi scrub 50gb podataka pre nego što su pogasili servere Preko 80TB skinuto (video snimci, fotke, svasta) Link to comment
theanswer Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) Tramp nije pozvao na nasilne demonstracije niti na oružanu pobunu. A imajući u vidu da je Tramp jebeni predsednik legitimno izabran najmoćnije države sveta sloboda govora koju trenutno ima se ne može meriti uopšte ni sa opozicijom u Srbiji, u Srbiji bi ispalo da je mnogo slobodnije Edited January 11, 2021 by theanswer Link to comment
Meazza Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Krošek said: Pri tome "nacionalna frekvencija" nije nesto sto je televizija hepi izmislila u svojoj garazi ili nasledila od babe, nego nesto sto pripada drzavi i sto drzava daje na koriscenje pod odredjenim uslovima. Jasno, Radisa vec objasnio. 1 Link to comment
jms_uk Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, levi said: hakovalo sajt State Departmenta? 1 3 Link to comment
Meazza Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, levi said: opet sve je isto? ne, opozicija u Srbiji ne traži prostor na nacionalnoj frekvenciji da bi pozivala na nasilne demonstracije i oružanu pobunu kao Tramp. samo hoće da se pojave da iznesu svoj program kritiku vlasti Ne znam, SNS tvrdi da opozicija upravo to zeli. Pozivaju se na to da je bilo i nekih upada u RTS od strane opozicije. Edited January 11, 2021 by Meazza Link to comment
harper Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Krošek said: Javna vlast radi u opstem interesu, i ako se postulira da nije u opstem interesu da zabranjuje privatnim subjektima (tviter) da slobodno delaju, u cilju suzbijanja odredjenih ideja i kreiranja represivnog socijalnog ambijenta, i ona to ucini - to je lose Tviter radi u privatnom interesu, i ako se postulira da nije u privatnom interesu da zabranjuje drugim, sebi ravnim, privatnim subjektima (korisnicima) da slobodno vrse kontrolu na njihovoj imovini, i on to cini - to nije ni dobro ni lose. tviter moze zbog toga da dozivi poslovni neuspeh. jaka stvar. Nema veze ovo sto pises, izvini ali je tako. Kina je suspendovala Tviter upravo sa obrazlozenjem da ta platforma steti javnom interesu, isto kao sto je Tviter suspendovao Trampa ne zbog svog privatnog interesa vec zato sto navodno poziva na nasilje, sto je pretnja javnom interesu. U nekom la-la-lendu politicke partije su zastitnici javnih interesa a globalne medijske platforme su samo privatno vlasnistvo pa neka rade sta hoce ali nismo deca da verujemo ni u jedno ni u drugo. Ja ne sporim pravo Tviteru da banuje koga god hoce, samo kazem da su takve odluke opasne. Istina, ni blizu opasne koliko su opasna aplaudiranja toj odluci, donetoj na najblaze receno sumnjivoj i nejasnoj argumentaciji. Ovde se uopste ne radi o Trampu vec o situaciji da bezbednosne sluzbe kontrolisu i donose odluke o tome sta je dozvoljeno a sta nije na drustvenim mrezama od globalne vaznosti. U tom smislu, koja je tacno razlika izmedju Kine koja je ugasila Tviter i americkih bezbednosnih sluzbi koje mu kreiraju poslovnu politiku? Sutra ta ista Kina moze da kaze - sad vidite zasto smo ugasili Tviter, njega kontrolise americka deep state - i imace dobar argument. Licemerjem i baljezganjem o nekom svom privatnom interesu koji je menadzment, nuto kurca, odlucio da krene da stiti posle 6 godina ignorisanja se takvi argumenti ne izbijaju iz ruku. Naprotiv. Edited January 11, 2021 by harper 3 Link to comment
Krošek Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Tviter ne moze da nastupa u javnom interesu, on moze samo da se vodi privatnim interesom, kao privatna firma, a kada predstavlja svoje postupke kao drustveno korisne, to radi u korist svog brenda. Ja ne mislim da je tviter globalna medijska platforma nego jedan od xyz miliona losih sajtova. Kina sigurno nije blokirala tviter 2009. godine zbog nekih privatnih interesa nego u cilju represije. To je prosto cinjenica. Istina je da Kina danas ima svoje drustvene mreze, ali one tada nisu bile tako razvijene. I prvobitni razlog toj kineskoj teznji za internet autarhijom je kontrola. Danas je to sprega socijalne kontrole i monopola. Meni je vise la-la-lend nasesti na samoreklamiranje tvitera kako nastupa u javnom interesu. To je brend, durogocni trendovi, velika lova... 1 Link to comment
jovanovic Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) tesko da sajt sa Alexom ~45 i jedna od 5 najpopularnijih mreza u svetu mogu biti samo jedan od xyz miliona losih sajtova. Edited January 11, 2021 by jovanovic Link to comment
namenski Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Krošek said: Tviter ne moze da nastupa u javnom interesu, on moze samo da se vodi privatnim interesom, kao privatna firma, a kada predstavlja svoje postupke kao drustveno korisne, to radi u korist svog brenda. Ja ne mislim da je tviter globalna medijska platforma nego jedan od xyz miliona losih sajtova. Kina sigurno nije blokirala tviter 2009. godine zbog nekih privatnih interesa nego u cilju represije. To je prosto cinjenica. Istina je da Kina danas ima svoje drustvene mreze, ali one tada nisu bile tako razvijene. I prvobitni razlog toj kineskoj teznji za internet autarhijom je kontrola. Danas je to sprega socijalne kontrole i monopola. Meni je vise la-la-lend nasesti na samoreklamiranje tvitera kako nastupa u javnom interesu. To je brend, durogocni trendovi, velika lova... Da se samo nadovezem, iskoristim priliku, posto vidim da svi nekako izbegavaju da pomenu sustinu: pada, pala je, ogolila se do koske jos jedna fikcija na kojoj je - doduse uspesno i sa do sada nevidjenim dometima u svakom pogledu - pocivao moderni kapitalizam. Fikcija kao sto je, uostalom i primera radi, ideja da nekoliko stotina ljudi u predstavnickom domu, skupstini, parlamentu, kako god - predstavlja milione i zastupa njihove interese. Fikcija da svako, ako samo dovoljno zapne moze da postane milioner, itd, itd... U ovom slucaju fikcija o slobodi stampe, medija. Ispostavilo se da iza te fikcije stoji sustina u srpskom narodu poznata kao veži konja gde ti gazda kaze.... 1 Link to comment
Redoran Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Budja said: Call me Branko. Branko greši. Tviter nije banovao Trampa jer je Tramp, nego su skockali neku formulaciju koja omogućuje ban (pozivao na nasilje, kršio pravila korišćenja i šta već). Isto tako vlasnik restorana ne može da odbije da usluži crnca jer je crnac, ali ako se baš naloži može da skocka neku formulaciju tipa: "Gospodin je pri ulasku u restoran uputio preteći i potencijalno nasilan pogled prema osoblju restorana" pa neka oštećeni dokazuje upravi vodovoda da to nije istina. Ali kao što reče Harper, bez veze cepamo tu dlaku na četvoro jer je rubikon pređen. Tim famoznim objektom privatnog vlasništva i slobodnog privatnog odlučivanja (tviterom) zapravo upravlja državna bezbednost, ergo privatni su u pm. Link to comment
ObiW Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 10.1.2021. at 0:25, ObiW said: Vidim da se ovde pisalo zašto su ovi ljudi došli na demonstracije, pa da li su to siromašni belci, pa ipak su možda srednja klasa, da li siromašni belci odrastaju sa uverenjem da su bolji (to jest, zaslužuju više) od siromašnih crnaca i Latinosa, i sve tako u sociološka sitna crevca. Ja imam drugačije mišljenje. [...] Vezano za ovo sto sam napisao pre neki dan, clanak koji je danas izasao koji obradjuje slicnu temu: The other part of it this is that since the late summer, when Trump was falling in polls and Biden was polling thoroughly ahead, the one thing I picked up from all parts of Trump World—from the QAnon-ish to the MAGA-ish to fairly moderate conservatives—is: Trump's gonna win. You didn't see that from people supporting Biden. You saw, you really hope he wins. The Trump people thought: Trump's going to win and not only is he going to win, you smug liberals, you're going to have the smile wiped off your face. This ideology really took hold and a lot of people really believed it. Trump was continually telling them everything was in the bag and he was massively ahead and we're going to win California and it's going to be a landslide. (btw, ovo pobedicemo u Kaliforniji smo ovde culi od mustanga) Come Election Day, he doesn't win. So all these people go, "Wait, it can't be. How could Trump possibly lose an election that everyone I know knew he was going to win?" I could just see a certain reality catching up with [them], and it would have to be on that day [of the certification]. And once they saw Trump saying to his supporters, come to DC on that day, I could see it going the wrong way. ("reality catching up to them" je prelazak u trecu fazu - znak da si poceo da prihvatas da se nesto tragicno lose zaista dogodilo, da nema nazad. Tramp je pozivom na miting sprecio da se kod njegovih obozavalaca dogodi ta treca faza) You could see the discussion become less abstract. By last week, these people were sharing maps of D.C. They were talking about having enough of them that they would be able to erect basically their own cadre around the entire area of Congress. They had a map of the tunnels [in the basement of the Capitol], and they were talking about how they're going to be able to stop Congress from leaving. They imagined that this was the day there were going to be mass executions of Congressmen. But a lot of them also just imagined they were going to be there for this historic time when Trump pulled away the curtain and revealed that all of Congress were traitors and then took his just and equal revenge. There were a variety of characters: people who were there to watch Trump gain control and people who thought Trump would win, but only by activating the military, [with] a proper military coup that they supported. They thought they were there to go and purge Congress. They were there to stop the certification. They were there to punish those who went against Trump. When you put them all together, you get this explosive mixture. [...] When all these people were talking about their contingencies, it was always if and when Trump tells us to. The overriding message I was seeing was, "We're here to do a job, we don't know what that job is yet. When Trump said we're going to go to the Capitol, I guess our job is to go to the Capitol." But then they didn't get any further instructions, so there was a moment of, "Okay, now what? Surely this isn't why Trump called us to DC, we don't get it. This was where he was supposed to unveil the evidence, or arrest the plotters, or reveal that China is behind it." And then none of this happened. I even saw people looking for post-Trump Trumpism. They're furious at Ted Cruz when he flipped back, and at Mike Pence, [in their minds] one of the biggest traitors. But now there's a little thinking that, "Trump kind of betrayed us, too. He told us he was the only one who could save the country and we believed it. And he's the only one who can stop Communist Joe Biden from selling organs to Chinese people. And he's not doing that and that means he's also a traitor." There's some very odd stuff popping up in Trump spaces right now. Obviously, that's not the majority of Trump fans, but there are all these people who just don't know, "Was there ever a plan? Was there a plan and it didn't work?" What we are going to see over the next few days is people trying to reassemble their worldviews. https://www.gq.com/story/man-predicted-capitol-coup-interview Link to comment
Krošek Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, jovanovic said: tesko da sajt sa Alexom ~45 i jedna od 5 najpopularnijih mreza u svetu mogu biti samo jedan od xyz miliona losih sajtova. Ne moze biti da je dobar samo zato sto je popularan i da je dorastao paradigmi interaktivnog medija, novog medija i sl. ("globalna medijska platforma") zbog alexa rank-a Kao sto Tramp nije dorastao tituli Predsednik SAD samo jer je jedan od dva najpopularnija kandidata Link to comment
ObiW Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 59 minutes ago, theanswer said: Tramp nije pozvao na nasilne demonstracije niti na oružanu pobunu. A imajući u vidu da je Tramp jebeni predsednik legitimno izabran najmoćnije države sveta sloboda govora koju trenutno ima se ne može meriti uopšte ni sa opozicijom u Srbiji, u Srbiji bi ispalo da je mnogo slobodnije Djilas gleda i neverue. Link to comment
Skyhighatrist Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, jms_uk said: Preko 80TB Lapsus, htedoh reći tb, ne gb... Video na njenom tw da kaže 50, kakogod, smejurija Link to comment
Meazza Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Krošek said: Ne moze biti da je dobar samo zato sto je popularan i da je dorastao paradigmi interaktivnog medija, novog medija i sl. ("globalna medijska platforma") zbog alexa rank-a Kao sto Tramp nije dorastao tituli Predsednik SAD samo jer je jedan od dva najpopularnija kandidata Ali ti si uveo subjektivnu kategoriju "dobar/los" u pricu, niko drugi o tome nije pisao. I uveo si je bespotrebno. Link to comment
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