A propos ovdasnih zahteva da se ponovo uvede policijski cas:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/exclusive-top-disease-detective-warns-against-return-national/

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Exclusive: Top WHO disease detective warns against return to national lockdowns

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, who helps lead the WHO's pandemic response, said that 'localised' measures should instead be used to stem Covid-19

BySarah Newey,  GLOBAL HEALTH SECURITY REPORTER1 August 2020 • 9:30pm

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove as been thrown into the limelight during the pandemic, answering hundreds of questions at regular press conferences CREDIT: WHO

The World Health Organization has urged countries not to reimpose national lockdowns in an attempt to stem the spread of Covid-19 due to the health, social and economic repercussions.

In an exclusive interview with the Sunday Telegraph Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, who helps lead the WHO’s pandemic response team as the head of the emerging diseases unit, said that countries should instead adopt localised strategies. 

By the end of March, as the coronavirus outbreak spiralled out of control across the globe, well over 100 countries had imposed a full or partial lockdown – affecting billions of people. 

Dr Van Kerkhove described these measures as a “blunt, sheer force instrument” that bought countries time to build the public health infrastructure needed to tackle Covid-19. 

But reflecting on events since the WHO declared a global health emergency six months ago – when fewer than 8,000 cases and 170 deaths had been reported – she added that the economic, health and social costs of lockdown have been “massive”. 

“Lockdowns are not something that WHO recommended, but they needed to be used in a number of countries because the outbreaks were growing so quickly,” Dr Van Kerkhove said. “But we're hopeful that countries will not need to implement national lockdowns again.”

A usually busy Regent Street in the heart of London stood empty in March, at the height of the UK's lockdown, when millions of people were asked to leave home only for basic shopping, excercise and essential travel to workCREDIT: Dan Kitwood/Getty Images

The 43-year-old, who has become a familiar face having appeared alongside WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at press briefings for months, added that countries should not rely on a jab as a silver bullet to bring the raging pandemic to a close. 

“In the next six months we will not have a vaccine,” she said frankly. “I know there's a lot of work that's being accelerated in terms of having a safe and effective vaccine, but we cannot wait until next year for one to come around.”

Instead Dr Van Kerkhove urged countries to make use of the tools currently available to adopt a “tailored, specific, localised” approach to contain new clusters of infections.

“The speed of the science on this has been extraordinary… we have tools right now that can prevent transmission and save lives,” Dr Van Kerkhove said, referencing measures including contacting tracing, widespread testing, equipping health facilities, physical distancing and wearing face masks. 

“It isn't one measure alone, all of the existing measures need to be used together. And it works. The reason we keep saying that it works is because we've seen this happen, we have seen countries bring these outbreaks under control,” she said. 

It is now seven months since Dr Van Kerkhove – who has spent decades training as an epidemiologist, including stints at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and Imperial College – received an email alert that a ‘pneumonia of unknown origin’ had been detected in Wuhan, China. 

A worker in a protective suit at the Huanan market in Wuhan in January, which was initially linked to the first known coronavirus cases CREDIT: DARLEY SHEN/Reuters

“I was on holiday for Christmas with my family in the US,” the mother of two told the Telegraph from her office at the WHO headquarters in Geneva. “I immediately sent a note back asking some questions, which I always do… we always push countries for more information, China is not unique to that.

“My initial feeling was that this could be localised, that this would be localised. But I’m trained to think that this is an emerging infectious disease… so I definitely knew it could get bigger, and planned for that.”

Since then the scenarios Dr Van Kerhove’s team prepared for but dreaded have been realised. The pandemic has spiralled out of control internationally, with infections surpassing 17.6 million and deaths 680,000, not to mention the devastating social and economic reverberations. 

And the epidemiologist, used to working behind the scenes, has instead been thrown into the limelight, having fielded hundreds of questions from journalists and the public at regular virtual briefings. At points this role as the public face of the WHO, which was not one Dr Van Kerkhove “ever expected” to have, has landed her in hot water. 

From left - Dr Mike, Ryan director of the WHO health emergencies programme, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director general and Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO technical lead for Covid-19  CREDIT: Fabrice Coffrini/Reuters

Though praised in January when she was one of the first WHO officials to raise the alarm about potential human-to-human transmission publicly, comments that appeared to suggest asymptomatic spread is rare provoked fierce criticism in June – though Dr Van Kerkhove maintains that much of the reporting misunderstood her words. 

“I watched videos of myself making a statement, and then some newscaster saying, ‘WHO says asymptomatic transmission doesn't happen’, which I've never said, which WHO has never said,” she said. “It was a challenge – I had never been the brunt of such criticism.”

Dr Van Kerkhove added that her colleagues, husband and two children – aged nine and one – kept her going. “My nine year old drew rainbows for everybody at the office because he wanted everyone to know that we were doing a good job,” she said. “I’m inspired by acts of kindness.” 

The epidemiologist is not the only member of the team to attract criticism during the pandemic. Most markedly, Donald Trump has consistently accused the WHO, particularly Dr Tedros, of being “China-centric” – a claim most public health experts have dismissed as “scapegoating”. 

The fallout, which began in early April when the US President announced he was temporarily suspending funding to the UN health agency because it “failed in its basic duty” to respond to Covid-19, came to a head earlier this month when Trump’s administration formally withdrew from the WHO. 

As a “proud American” Dr Van Kerkhove said she was “disappointed” by the decision, but insisted that the worsening situation in the US, where more than 66,000 new cases have been reported every day in the last fortnight, could still be rectified. 

“I think even countries that haven't done as well still can turn it around, and I believe that the United States can and the United States will,” she said. 

But her biggest fear is complacency, which could undermine efforts to control this pandemic – and the next one. 

“This is a wake up call about pandemics and we must do more to be ready,” Dr Van Kerkhove warned. “It isn't a matter of if, it's a matter of when something like this will happen again. 

“It’s quite traumatic what everyone is going through at the moment – we need to use this as a way to accelerate the change that is necessary.”

 

Drugaru koga su sa KCV bili otpustili da ide kod kuće i bude 14 dana u izolaciji pa će tek onda da ga testiraju, sjebali test čije je rezultate čekao 5 dana posle tih 14 i sad mora da ide opet da se testira u ponedeljak 

evo sad sam obishla shetnju oko blokova, pitajuci se shta bi policijski chas doneo, osim da nas 100 ljudi ne moze da prosheta oko 4 bloka? u epidemioloshkom smislu.

 

za to vreme.ona kafana pored policije cepa muziku izuva. ne verujem bash da muzichari sa bezbedne udaljenosti sviraju renesansnim humanistima koji sede za svalkim chetvrtim stolom.

 

a opciju da neko neshto zabrani te kontrolishe, to ne mozemo nikako da probamo, jer prava i slobode? ali policijski chas sve reshava i pojednostavljuje.

 

ja moram da priznam da uz sve razumevanje situacije nisam mentalno spremna na policijski chas, a da se zaista niie probalo nishta pre toga

 

 

 

 

sent from bubamoto

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, gospa buba said:

edip.shta ako nam se napune respiratori osnovcima? moze i onda da se pricha da nismo znali, mislili smo uv, vrucina, mushko zensko, rekla szo. teshko, rekla bih. ili osnovci veselo luduju a nastavnici predju u resor zdravstva. mozda nije potrebna pamet, ali opreznost ne bi shkodila. ne znam, fantaziram

 

 

+1

 

meni je neverovatno koliko ljudi zdravo za gotovo uzimaju sve ovo, kao da smo od boga lično dobili garantni list da virus neće da dira decu, a mlade onako, a sredovečne random, a stare uglavnom. Potpuno novo RNK govno, još ga otkrivaju, u SAD ono što su snilmali od dece u nekom istraživanju 30% asimptomatskih ima tragove i senke po plućima... ne kapiram više ništa.

 

Ova moja kreće od septembra prvi razred, ne znam šta da radim izmedju čekića i nakovnja. Iz vrtića smo je ekspresno povukli krajem juna, išla okruglo mesec dana dok nije isplivao slučaj gde je vaspitač bio pozitivan. Sa ženom sam se svadjao oko toga ozbiljno, jer ja nisam ni hteo da je vraćam u vrtić posle prvog lokdauna, a žena bila u fazonu neka završi predškolsko + statistika, ne dira virus decu.

 

edit: evo zauvija neko sa mikrofona pred ponoć, odjekuje Zemun. Pa majke vam ga spalim, ako hocete ekonomiju, ako zelite decu da saljete u skole, zatvarajte splavove i kafane, zakljucajte kladionice, zabranjujte kontakte. Pisite kazne ko ne nosi masku. Mnogo je jednostavnije nego sto se predstavlja.

 

Pakao. Jebemte državo.

Edited August 1, 20205 yr by Caligula

ja sam sigurna da u smislu ekonomije uopshte nije jednostavno. ali sam isto ubedjena da se nishta ni ne pokushava u smislu reshavanja bilo chega. sa posebnim pogledom na ekipu koja to treba da reshi. oni su navikli da nose, ne da traze reshenja.

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5 minutes ago, gospa buba said:

ja sam sigurna da u smislu ekonomije uopshte nije jednostavno. ali sam isto ubedjena da se nishta ni ne pokushava u smislu reshavanja bilo chega. sa posebnim pogledom na ekipu koja to treba da reshi. oni su navikli da nose, ne da traze reshenja.

 

Ma naravno da nije jednostavno ali ovo kako se ovi ponasaju rešenje čini jednostavnim, jer ovo je trenutno pakao od ničega, haosa i amorfnosti. Mi trenutno imamo vakuum u prisustvu države pred gradjanima, države prosto nema, neke nasmejane dede i tetke u kompletićima nam sa televizora poručuju da ne bi bilo loše da nosimo maske i to je to što se mera tiče. Ende.

 

Jedno jedino pravilo koje bi se propisalo učinilo bi stvari 10X boljim, u tom smislu kažem da je jednostavno.

Edited August 1, 20205 yr by Caligula

2 minutes ago, gospa buba said:

ja sam sigurna da u smislu ekonomije uopshte nije jednostavno. ali sam isto ubedjena da se nishta ni ne pokushava u smislu reshavanja bilo chega. sa posebnim pogledom na ekipu koja to treba da reshi. oni su navikli da nose, ne da traze reshenja.

sent from bubamoto
 

Gospa Bubo, gledaju oni kako da reše™, ali tako da nose...  Sad će se naručiti zilijardu tableda da se podele deci... Telekom će da obezbedi zilijardu kartica da deca imaju internet... Država će sve to da plati™... I eto rešenja...

 

Postajemo mali Finci...

Kod mene u kraju retko tiha noć, kerovi laju na pun mesec, a iz daljine se čuje neka kafana (red Aca L. red ovi IDJ šitovi tu-tu-tu pa onda tu-tu-ru-tu-tu)

 

U ove nove džipove treba da ugrade i mod pronalaženja nepropisno parkiranih kafana.

 

5 minutes ago, dvb-t manijak said:

Kod mene u kraju retko tiha noć, kerovi laju na pun mesec, a iz daljine se čuje neka kafana (red Aca L. red ovi IDJ šitovi tu-tu-tu pa onda tu-tu-ru-tu-tu)

 

U ove nove džipove treba da ugrade i mod pronalaženja nepropisno parkiranih kafana.

 

 

Ma bre ovo je zemlja volova.

 

Što reče Bjula u Twin Piksu, "It's a world of truck drivers"

 

 

Edited August 1, 20205 yr by Caligula

Gospa Bubo, gledaju oni kako da reše[emoji769], ali tako da nose...  Sad će se naručiti zilijardu tableda da se podele deci... Telekom će da obezbedi zilijardu kartica da deca imaju internet... Država će sve to da plati[emoji769]... I eto rešenja...
 
Postajemo mali Finci...

dobro me podseti da pitam direktora da li misli da nam plati internete, to mu je pola markice, bice dobar

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2 hours ago, Lila said:

@ Haralampije Ne mislim naravno da Srbija moze da se poredi sa nekom normalnom zemljom. Samo ne vidim resenje. Ne mozes decu zatvoriti u kucu i uskratiti im skolu - do nastanka vakcine? A i kad stigne vakcina, OK mi matori da eksperimentisemo, ali cepiti decu necim cije se posledice nece znati ko zna jos koliko? 

Skoro sam inace negde procitala da su napravili vakcinu za Lajmsku bolest - i da ce "primena" poceti 2025.

A ovo za policijski cas, bas bih volela da mi neko objasni na koji nacin to sprecava sirenje zaraze?

Onako kako je kod nas sproveden u martu/aprilu, samo je mogao da doprinese zarazavanju jer je skratio radno vreme i napravio vece guzve.

Nas je tad izvuklo zatvaranje penzionera (sto je njih verovatno desetkovalo, i jos ce, ali nisu umrli od covida) i ukidanje gradskog saobracaja/rad od kuce.

Ceo tvoj post je problematican, svaka tvrdnja osim ovog o gradskom saobracaju je pogresna.Treba biti oprezan sa pausalnim ocenama o desetkovanju penzionera jer to ocito nije istina,drugo, rad od kuce je precenjen u tom kontekstu koji ti pominjes, jer koliko ljudi u Sr moze da radi od kuce i koja su to zanimanja?Kazes da nismo normalna zemlja bar kad treba da se poredimo sa drugima i ne vidis resenje.U tome i jeste problem, sva iole racionalna resenja podrazumevaju kakvu takvu drzavu a ovde se podvigom smatra i kad vadjenje licne karte traje manje od 7 dana a ne nesto drugo.Niko naravno nece vakcinisati nikoga pa ni decu bez jasnih rezultata koji nece moci da se cekaju godinama, to je istina.Ponavljam, izmedju zdravlja dece a posredno i njihovih ukucana i nekog imaginarnog gubitka zbog neodrzavanja nastave u skolskim klupama , mislim da je lako odluciti

Upravo se vratio sa vecernjeg trcanja: na semaforu u autobusu #17 prebrojao 30 putnika od kojih tacno polovina nije imala maske, na sledecoj stanici u autobus utrcalo petoro omladinaca, takodje bez maski...

Kej pun, o maskama ni pomena.

A maksimalno ostre mere koje predlazem - vidim da su se mnogi uhvatili za policijski cas - u ovom trenutku jedino imaju smisla: em je zgodan trenutak, avgust je u mnogome najneaktivniji mesec u godini, em bi dale mogucnost i vremena da se uzme vazduh, dnevne brojke stave pod kontrolu.

Dakle, tokom avgusta najmanje dva totalna vikend zatvaranja, zabrana medjugradskog saobracaja, i privatnog i javnog, zatvaranje granica, itd, itd..., uostalom siguran sam da svaki uzbenik epidemiologije sadrzi zbirku mera koje se u slucajevima epidemija preduzimaju.

Ako se ovako nastavi i dozvoli se da Srbiji iscuri avgust, pocne skola, u domove koji su sada prazni stignu studenti, a sa sadasnjim brojkama Srbiji ne gine - sudeci po dosadasnjim iskustvima mnogo gadna situacija koja se nece moci da kontrolise ni u tragovima.

Pun mi je kufer potezanja svakojakih studija, clanaka, pozivanja na ove ili one autoritete: na ljutu ranu - ljuta trava.

SUstina je, a i najbolnije je to sto ni vlast kakvu Srbija ima, narod takodje, jednostavno nisu sposobni ni za kakve mere osim - ekstremnih, dakle ovih o kojima pricam.

Za nadu da ce ljudima doci iz dupeta u glavu, da ce se dozvati pameti niti ima sanse niti ima vremena: podrazumeva se da bi potonje takozvano otvaranje islo, trebalo da ide postepeno sa sve, recimo, odlaganjem pocetka skolske godine za mesec dana.

Inace, prodje avgustm jul je vec potrosen, u raspravama koja je maska bolja, kako se cuvaju, jurenju clanaka po internetu koji podrzavaju ovo ili ono...

A septembar, jesen i zima su tu, samo sto nisu.

 

 

@Anonymous vidi bold, vucicu i njegovima leka nema.

Koroni i sranjima koja je prate - mozda.

Edited August 1, 20205 yr by namenski

3 hours ago, namenski said:

Uz rizik da budem spopadnut od slobodoljubaca^tm svih boja i usmerenja, mislim da je za Srbiju poslednji trenutak, danas je 01. avgust, dakle jos maksimalno 4-5 dana, za reprizu vanrednog stanja, potpuno zatvaranje, policijski sat i sve sto uz to ide.

Sto je puklo - puklo je, od kafica na dalje, avgust je i onako u neku ruku najopusteniji mesec, deca/djaci su najvecim delom kod kuce i/ili pod kontrolom: znam da zvuci preostro, ali ova taktika oce kaki-nece kaki, sa dnevnim prebrojavanjem koja se otaljava iz dana u dan sve ocekujuci da se nestotm dogodi i izvuce zemlju iz govana nema nikakvog efekta osim sto vreme nepovratno curi, a problemi se gomilaju i njihovo resavanje odlaze do tacke kada ce ih biti nemoguce resiti, sa sve defintivnim pucanjem svih sistema, od zdravstvenog preko obrazovnog...

 

 

Nema od toga ništa. Strpljenje naroda je potrošeno na preterane i pogrešne mere, Vučićevo izdrkavanje, pandursko iživljavanje i helikoptere noću, Da bi se i postignuto protraćilo predizbornim i izbornim bahanalijama, otvorenim lažima struke.

 

Ja bih prvi pristao da ponovo budem zatvoren na mesec dana kad bih znao da od toga može biti nekakve koristi, ali sam svakako u debeloj manjini. Za avgust jesi u pravu, male firme su pred totalnim pucanjem i ukoliko se neko čudo od septembra pa do nove godine ne desi pola njih će katanac u bravu.

Aman. 

 

50e kazna ko ne nosi masku i zatvaranje kafica i restorana (samo dostava i/ili napolju) i resen problem. Bukvalno to je dovoljno

1 minute ago, Tsai said:

Aman. 

 

50e kazna ko ne nosi masku i zatvaranje kafica i restorana (samo dostava i/ili napolju) i resen problem. Bukvalno to je dovoljno

+1

 

Problem je sto se - znajuci kako sistem^tm funkcionise^tm - nema vremena. 

Trebalo bi ziher 15-ak dana da se stvar uhoda, shvati ozbiljno...

A posebno je pitanje ko bi i kako sprovodio mere koje si pomenuo.

A dotle - ode avgust.