Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[duda]

Ja ne kapiram zbilja koji im je.

Pa ajde što se otvaraju, ali šta je smetalo da bar ostanu maske obavezne ?

[Shitgenstein]

I Mađarska je ukinula maske. Vakcinisanih oko 56% i to je otprilike to, interesovanje je značajno opalo, kriva vakcinisanih zaravnjena 

 

Gergely Gulyás stated that according to Hungary’s healthcare institutions and the vast majority of virologists, currently available vaccines are effective against the Delta variant of the coronavirus. Either the vaccinated individual does not even get sick or their affliction will not be as severe or tragic. This is why, he explained, anyone who gets vaccinated is safe,  while “those who do not get vaccinated are not safe.”

 

Za sada se iznenađujuće dobro drže... ili prosto ne testiraju dovoljno / uzorak nije reprezentativan. Imajući u vidu prenagljeno otvaranje zbog UEFA, ko zna šta će biti.

Imali su najzatvorenije granice u EU vrlo dugo (nije pomoglo, masovno se umiralo proletos), a sad su ukinuli sve kovid regulacije na kopnenim granicama izuzev sa Ukrajinom.

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https://icjournal.org/search.php?where=aview&id=10.3947/ic.2021.0046&code=0086IC&vmode=FULL

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[Amos]

[vememah]

U centralnom Oksfordu, domu oksfordske tj. AstraZenekine vakcine, zaraženo preko 2% stanovnika za samo nedelju dana, naravno mahom studentarije.

 

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases

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[Spooky]

17 hours ago, Anduril said:

Dva dobra clanka koji najavljuju katastrofu u Engleskoj - nadajmo se da ce ostatak Evrope biti bar delimicno postedjen totalnog otvaranja i posledica:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/07/living-with-the-virus-uk-vaccinated-covid-cases

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/07/ditching-england-covid-restrictions-dangerous-mass-experiment
 

 

Ali ozbiljno, kad bi ti otvorio? Šta se uopšte čeka? Jer treba večno da živimo u vanrednom stanju, ne bi li nekako minimizovali broj umrlih? Da li bismo takvom taktikom uopšte smanjili broj umrlih, ili ga samo razvukli na duži period. 

Nakon što vakcinišeš sve (koji hoće), zaista ne vidim razloga da se čeka. Safeguards treba da budu samo na tome da se ne preopterete bolnice, ali kako se zahvaljujući vakcinaciji smanjio broj težih slučajeva, to valjda sada nije problem u UK...

[vememah]

Političari se štite, a narod ko jebe.

 

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The California state Capitol has reinstated its mask mandate for all legislators and staff regardless of vaccination status after an outbreak of nine new COVID-19 cases was reported among employees last week. Effective immediately, masks will have to be worn in the Capitol, Legislative Office Building and district offices, Secretary of the Senate Erika Contreras and Assembly Chief Administrative Officer Debra Gravert wrote in Tuesday memos. Unvaccinated members and employees will also be required to get tested for the virus twice a week on Mondays and Thursdays, beginning July 8. The rapid antigen testing will be conducted in the Capitol from 7 to 9 a.m. Vaccinated members are also encouraged to get tested if they want. Four of the nine recent cases were among those who’ve been fully vaccinated. The Senate has a fully vaccinated rate of 85% among all its employees, according to Contreras. The Assembly has reported an 84% rate, Gravert said. Members and staff had previously been asked to submit their vaccination status to Capitol Health Services.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article252614958.html

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[vememah]

Nije puno zarazna ta delta.

 

Malezija:

 

 

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Director General of Health Tan Sri Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah said, out of 1,550 new cases in Kuala Lumpur, 630 involved the Damanlela 2 Construction Site Cluster.

https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/148479/KHAS/Covid-19/Kluster-Tapak-Bina-Damanlela-2-penyumbang-utama-kes-di-KL (prevod: Google translate)

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[aram]

U Nemačkoj Delta varijanta postala dominantna

[Have_Fun]

glupo pitanje

ali preovladjuje misljenje da je delta varijanta "samo kao prehlada"

odakle bre ovo i ko to gura?

ne gledam vesti, pogotovo ne nase po Srbiji itd.. ali od nasih ovo sve vise cujem

wtf ili sam ja nesto propustio

[vememah]

Pa zato što debili ne vode računa o tome šta pričaju, umesto da spomenu Indiju i šta je tamo bilo, da navedu razloge zbog kojih nevakcinisani treba da budu zabrinuti i što pre se vakcinišu, oni kao glavnu informaciju prave poređenja s prehladom i gripom.

 

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On [dr Milanko Šekler, imunolog i mikrobiolog sa Veterinarskog specijalističkog instituta u Kraljevu] navodi da mu se zapravo sviđa to što se virus lakše prenosi i ima nove simptome jer, ukratko, to znači da mutira u slabiju verziju.

- Indijski soj lakše se prenosi, manja količina je potrebna da se zarazite. Niko nije objavio da je taj soj patogeniji, smrtonosniji, čak ima podataka iz Velike Britanije da se glavobolja pojavljuje kao simptom. Indijski soj podseća više na grip, lakše se prenosi. Ovaj oblik korona virusa je možda korak u dobrom smeru – obično kada virus postaje prenosiviji, manje je patogen - priča Šekler.

 

blic.rs/vesti/beograd/delta-soj-je-stigao-u-srbiju-i-vise-od-50-odsto-ljudi-ga-docekuje-rasirenih-ruku/mb7vc0k

 

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On [epidemiolog Branislav Tiodorović] je naveo da su zaražavanju delta sojem podložni pre svega mladi od 18 do 25 godina, kao i da po dosadašnjim iskustvima infekcija deluje "kao malo jača prehlada".

"Nema gubitka mirisa i ukusa kao kod prethodnih sojeva, ima glavobolje, može i temperatura, ali ne obavezno. Deluje kao malo jača prehlada, ali to ne treba olako uzimati", rekao je Tiodorović.

 

https://www.021.rs/story/Info/Srbija/278487/Tiodorovic-Delta-soj-napada-mladje-deluje-kao-malo-jaca-prehlada.html

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Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young

• Deepti Gurdasani
   
• John Drury
• Trisha Greenhalgh
• Stephen Griffin
• Zubaida Haque
• Zoë Hyde
• Aris Katzourakis
• Martin McKee
• Susan Michie
• Christina Pagel
• Stephen Reicher
• Alice Roberts
• Robert West
• Christian Yates
• Hisham Ziauddeen
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Published:July 07, 2021

DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01589-0

 

As the third wave of the pandemic takes hold across England, the UK Government plans to further re-open the nation. Implicit in this decision is the acceptance that infections will surge, but that this does not matter because vaccines have “broken the link between infection and mortality”.

 

On July 19, 2021—branded as Freedom Day—almost all restrictions are set to end. We believe this decision is dangerous and premature.

An end to the pandemic through population immunity requires enough of the population to be immune to prevent exponential growth of SARS-CoV-2. Population immunity is unlikely to be achieved without much higher levels of vaccination than can be reasonably expected by July 19, 2021. Proportionate mitigations will be needed to avoid hundreds of thousands of new infections, until many more are vaccinated. Nevertheless, the UK Government's intention to ease restrictions from July 19, 2021, means that immunity will be achieved by vaccination for some people but by natural infection for others (predominantly the young). The UK Health Secretary has stated that daily cases could reach 100 000 per day over the summer months of 2021.

 

The link between infection and death might have been weakened, but it has not been broken, and infection can still cause substantial morbidity in both acute and long-term illness. We have previously pointed to the dangers of relying on immunity by natural infection, and we have five main concerns with the UK Government's plan to lift all restrictions at this stage of the pandemic.

 

First, unmitigated transmission will disproportionately affect unvaccinated children and young people who have already suffered greatly. Official UK Government data show that as of July 4, 2021, 51% of the total UK population have been fully vaccinated and 68% have been partially vaccinated. Even assuming that approximately 20% of unvaccinated people are protected by previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, this still leaves more than 17 million people with no protection against COVID-19. Given this, and the high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant, exponential growth will probably continue until millions more people are infected, leaving hundreds of thousands of people with long-term illness and disability.

 

This strategy risks creating a generation left with chronic health problems and disability, the personal and economic impacts of which might be felt for decades to come.

 

Second, high rates of transmission in schools and in children will lead to significant educational disruption, a problem not addressed by abandoning isolation of exposed children (which is done on the basis of imperfect daily rapid tests).

 

The root cause of educational disruption is transmission, not isolation. Strict mitigations in schools alongside measures to keep community transmission low and eventual vaccination of children will ensure children can remain in schools safely.

 

 

 

This is all the more important for clinically and socially vulnerable children. Allowing transmission to continue over the summer will create a reservoir of infection, which will probably accelerate spread when schools and universities re-open in autumn.

 

Third, preliminary modelling data  suggest the government's strategy provides fertile ground for the emergence of vaccine-resistant variants. This would place all at risk, including those already vaccinated, within the UK and globally. While vaccines can be updated, this requires time and resources, leaving many exposed in the interim. Spread of potentially more transmissible escape variants would disproportionately affect the most disadvantaged in our country and other countries with poor access to vaccines.

 

Fourth, this strategy will have a significant impact on health services and exhausted health-care staff who have not yet recovered from previous infection waves. The link between cases and hospital admissions has not been broken, and rising case numbers will inevitably lead to increased hospital admissions, applying further pressure at a time when millions of people are waiting for medical procedures and routine care.

 

Fifth, as deprived communities are more exposed to and more at risk from COVID-19, these policies will continue to disproportionately affect the most vulnerable and marginalised, deepening inequalities.

 

In light of these grave risks, and given that vaccination offers the prospect of quickly reaching the same goal of population immunity without incurring them, we consider any strategy that tolerates high levels of infection to be both unethical and illogical. The UK Government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect the public, including children. We believe the government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause plans to abandon mitigations on July 19, 2021.

 

Instead, the government should delay complete re-opening until everyone, including adolescents, have been offered vaccination and uptake is high, and until mitigation measures, especially adequate ventilation (through investment in CO2 monitors and air filtration devices) and spacing (eg, by reducing class sizes), are in place in schools. Until then, public health measures must include those called for by WHO (universal mask wearing in indoor spaces, even for those vaccinated), the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (ventilation and air filtration), and Independent SAGE (effective border quarantine; test, trace isolate, and support). This will ensure that everyone is protected and make it much less likely that we will need further restrictions or lockdowns in the autumn.

 

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext

 

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We believe the government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause plans to abandon mitigations on July 19, 2021.

Instead, the government should delay complete re-opening until everyone, including adolescents, have been offered vaccination and uptake is high, and until mitigation measures, especially adequate ventilation (through investment in CO2 monitors and air filtration devices) and spacing (eg, by reducing class sizes), are in place in schools. Until then, public health measures must include those called for by WHO (universal mask wearing in indoor spaces, even for those vaccinated), the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (ventilation and air filtration), and Independent SAGE (effective border quarantine; test, trace isolate, and support). This will ensure that everyone is protected and make it much less likely that we will need further restrictions or lockdowns in the autumn.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by vememah

[Tale]

4 hours ago, Spooky said:

Ali ozbiljno, kad bi ti otvorio? Šta se uopšte čeka? Jer treba večno da živimo u vanrednom stanju, ne bi li nekako minimizovali broj umrlih? Da li bismo takvom taktikom uopšte smanjili broj umrlih, ili ga samo razvukli na duži period. 

Nakon što vakcinišeš sve (koji hoće), zaista ne vidim razloga da se čeka. Safeguards treba da budu samo na tome da se ne preopterete bolnice, ali kako se zahvaljujući vakcinaciji smanjio broj težih slučajeva, to valjda sada nije problem u UK...

Nisu se vakcinisali svi koji su hteli, zaboravio si na, recimo, decu. 

Ali ok, decu valjda možemo da pravimo kad god nam zatreba.