BrExit?

[Razzmatazz]

Mrziš sve šta je englesko™.

[hazard]

Vidim, evropska stampa je bas lepo reagovala na Terezin govor

 

 

A "catalogue of demands with some threats thrown in" is German news magazine Der Spiegel's description of Theresa May's Brexit speech. It says that her desire to leave the single market while retaining access to trade with Europe shows that her government is "not just nasty but also blind to reality".

Germany's Die Welt also mocks her with the headline "Little Britain" and accuses her of leading the country into "isolation".

In Italy, La Repubblica's front page reads "Brexit: London raises its wall 'away from the EU and the single market'".

France's Liberation remarks that Mrs May's comment that no deal is better than a bad one suggests that she is threatening to turn Britain into a tax haven. "If this is not blackmail, it looks a lot like it," it says.

 

Najebace. Ostatak EU sve vreme trpi nezgodno britansko javno mnjenje i stampu, i tolerisali su Londonu svasta zbog toga. Britancima lako moze da se desi da evropsko javno mnjenje pocne da im trazi glavu, a onda su najebali.

[vememah]

I BBC brlja, nije to ozbiljni "Die Welt", nego "Die Welt kompakt", nešto kao Independentov "i".

 

Evo oba izdanja od srede:

 

http://pdf.welt.de/

Edited January 19, 2017 by vememah

[MancMellow]

[bigvlada]

Jel sad ide onaj „I told you so“ deo?

 

via CZ-M53 TT

 

 

Vidim, evropska stampa je bas lepo reagovala na Terezin govor

 

 

 

Najebace. Ostatak EU sve vreme trpi nezgodno britansko javno mnjenje i stampu, i tolerisali su Londonu svasta zbog toga. Britancima lako moze da se desi da evropsko javno mnjenje pocne da im trazi glavu, a onda su najebali.

 

O da,

 

Theresa May's Brexit Plan

 

I Want, I Want, I Want

 

Theresa May wanted to show a friendly yet tough face to her country's European allies. But her Brexit speech showed one thing above all: The British prime minister is blind to reality.

 

A Commentary by Christoph Scheuermann

 

January 18, 2017  12:46 PM Print FeedbackComment

If it was Theresa May's goal to flood Europe with a glut of adjectives, then she was extremely successful on Tuesday. After Brexit, the British prime minister said, the United Kingdom will be "stronger, fairer, more united and more outward-looking." It will be a "secure, prosperous, tolerant" country, a "great, global trading nation" that is a good friend and ally.

 

 

But beneath the wave of superficial pleasantries, something much more uncompromising soon made an appearance behind the lectern at Lancaster House: the hard, craggy side of Ms. May. If the rest of Europe doesn't cooperate, the prime minister said, if the EU seeks a punitive deal in the course of the Brexit negotiations, it would have negative consequences for all involved.

 

Far from being a conciliatory address, May's speech was a catalogue of demands topped with a dash of threat. A great many of her sentences began with: "I want."

 

The advantage of May's speech is that Europe now at least knows a bit more about the direction Britain intends to go. Theresa May wants to pull the UK out of the single market and to no longer be subject to the verdicts of the European Court of Justice. She wants a free trade agreement and wants Britain to pay much less into the EU budget than it has thus far. And she wants to keep one foot in the customs union but hopes to keep the other outside -- though she didn't explain how she intends to perform this bit of gymnastics. The disadvantage of May's speech is that she has now convinced the rest of Europe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the British government isn't just nasty, but is also prepared to take the gloves off.

 

May was unable to be friendly and unyielding at the same time. Her speech was also an attempt to find her way out of the ditch into which she had pitched herself last autumn. Back then, she uttered the striking sentence: "If you believe you are a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere." It sounded like a declaration of war against the liberal, urbane, cosmopolitan Great Britain. Since then, much has changed. In the eyes of Prime Minister May, the world is once again full of opportunity. Openness is good, globalization perhaps is too and free trade is definitely a plus. At least from this perspective, May has once again become more pragmatic, which is to be welcomed.

 

Uncomfortable for Everybody

 

May is prepared to throw everything on the negotiating table that her country can offer the rest of Europe, including intelligence services, nuclear weapons and cooperation in the fight against terrorism. The prime minister didn't explicitly say so, but her message is clear: You on the Continent profit significantly from our contributions to European security, so don't push us away. That would be uncomfortable for everybody.

 

What is clear is that the government in London remains dependent on the goodwill of two partners: the EU and Donald Trump. Each has elements of risk. As soon as Britain, at the end of March, submits its formal, Article 50 notification to the EU of its intention to leave the bloc, time will no longer be on the country's side. If she's lucky, May will have 18 months to complete the divorce proceedings. When it comes to the framework that will govern the exit negotiations, Britain finds itself in a weak position. Furthermore, the EU has little interest in showing too much leniency with Britain and thereby risking that other countries might be tempted to follow the UK out the door.

 

When it comes to Donald Trump, nothing has changed: The situation remains unpredictable and chaotic. Even if May's government grovels its way into the good graces of the incoming U.S. president, it is unlikely that a British-American free-trade agreement would be completed as quickly as many Brexit fans in the UK hope. In this regard, May should be more honest with the citizens of Britain.

 

May used the majority of her Tuesday speech to promise her country a glorious future, but it is one over which she only has limited control. In the worst case scenario, it appears that she would rather slam the door shut and risk a cold, mucky Brexit than agree to a painful compromise. No deal is better than a bad deal, she said on Tuesday. If that is how she speaks with friends, one wonders how she might deal with enemies.

 

With its intention to leave the European common market, May's government has opted for the path of willful self-mutilation, at least when it comes to the country's mid-term economic prospects. It will take many years before British diplomats are able to complete a free-trade agreement with the EU and with other countries. The fruits of Brexit, if there are any at all, will only grow slowly. Until then, May will have to offer her allies more than just the graciousness of continuing to allow them to export Prosecco and cars to Britain. May needs Europe. Adjectives alone won't help her.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/theresa-may-promises-a-glorious-brexit-future-a-1130529.html

[MancMellow]

 

Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, has accused the Liberal Democrat leader, Tim Farron, of “fanning the flames of division” in Britain by ignoring the needs of those who voted to leave the EU.

The senior Labour politician, who is leading the opposition response to Brexit, said Farron has “absolutely nothing to say to the 52%” who voted to leave the EU.

“I don’t think any party that wants to govern the UK can proceed on the basis that it will only speak to or seek to represent only half of the population,” he said, in comments that will heighten tensions between two parties that some had urged to work more closely together to oppose Theresa May. 

 

[hazard]

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I onda je ovaj pro-brexit tip sve rekao na kraju - "Singapore on steroids sounds pretty good to me".

 

Realno, mogao je samo to da kaze, sve ostalo je bilo suvisno.

 

Meni se cini da u brexit kampu ima suvise city/urbanih tipova koji mastaju o "Singapuru na steroidima" a ne kapiraju da model Singapura funkcionise za drzavu-grad, a ne za veliku zemlju koja je zivela od industrije, poljoprivrede i svega ostalog sto je "realni" sektor a ne samo finansije, osiguranja, nekretnine, "knowledge economy" i trange-frange. I zaboravljaju da je onaj deo UK koji je najslicniji Singapuru - London - glasao za EU, dok je brexitovsko glasacko telo uglavnom po bivsim kolevkama UK teske industrije. Kako ce njima da pomogne nesto sto ce biti super za City? Ti ljudi su glasali kako su glasali zbog toga sto su uvereni da se u poslednje 2-3 decenije City bogati na njihov racun, a oni ispastaju.

 

I lik je jos property developer. Enough said

Edited January 20, 2017 by hazard

[MancMellow]

To ti je ko u Srbiji kad ti objašnjavaju "a kako Island". 

 

Medjutim uz ovakav Labour kao ovaj gore mogu mirno da prionu na posao. 

[MancMellow]

 

 

Hammond: Britain would quit economic mainstream without good Brexit deal

Philip Hammond then warns his audience at Davos that Britain could quit the economic mainstream if it doesn’t get a comprehensive free trade agreement with the EU.

Our “strong preference is that we remain within the European economic mainstream”, with reciprocal access to each others markets, and Britain “continuing to operate to European norms and regulatory standards,” says Hammond.

However....

But if we are driven out of that market, and denied access to our most important market, we will reinvent ourselves and find a new way of being competitive.

Hammond reminds us that Britain already works longer hours, to ensure that our lower productivity doesn’t undermine competitiveness

He doesn’t spell out what the ‘economic mainstream’ means, but I think he’s hinting at lower corporate tax, a bonfire of regulations and other measures to make Britain more attractive to companies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[porucnik vasic]

To ti je ko u Srbiji kad ti objašnjavaju "a kako Island". 

 

 

Или кад ти објашњавају да пошто државно медицинско ради у Шведске има да ради и у Америке.

[Roger Sanchez]

 

Daniel Hannan ought to be afraid of a hard Brexit – and so should you

 

Nick Cohen

 

The British people, whose good nature is so frequently abused, could have done with hearing today’s argument from Daniel Hannan during the referendum campaign, could they not?  Before he and his band of zealots received authorisation to manage our economic and political future it would have been good manners if they had told us how far they wanted to go.

All the way, seems to be the answer now.  In the bluff language of a drunk roaring on friends in a barroom brawl, Hannan tells us on the Spectator website not to be ‘wusses’. So what if, and contrary to what they told us last year, Brexit now means crashing out of the single market and customs union. Why are you frightened of that, you wusses, you wimps, you bedwetting liberal pussies?  Manly Britain can just muscle its way into the World Trade Organisation and accept it tariffs. It wouldn’t be ‘the end of the world’.

Churchill said a fanatic is a man who ‘can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject’.  Having been fanatical about the EU all their lives Hannan and his sect cannot change the subject to the difficult and painstaking conversation we need about protecting our livelihoods.

Rather than acknowledging difficulties, the fanatic dismisses the single market with the nonchalant confidence of the single-minded. Hannan breezily tells you not to worry about Britain’s need to avoid massively complicated global trade negotiations by staying in the EU’s customs union. Norway ‘stands outside,’ he booms, and it manages well enough.

So it does. Hannan somehow forgets to mention, however, that Norway is a member of the single market. Many Tories however, and most ominously, Theresa May herself, reject the sensible Norwegian compromise because Norway still follows parts of EU law and accepts freedom of movement.

‘How pathetic it is,’ Hannan continues, for scaredy cats to think ‘Brussels holds all the cards’. Unfortunately for the luckless Hannan, as he was preparing this piece, Professor L. Alan Winters,  one of our foremost authorities on international trade, was describing our weak hand to the Commons Trade Committee. We ‘are very, very heavily dependent on the EU market’ and the EU is not anywhere near as dependent on us, he said. In these circumstances, it is easy to see who can play the tough guy at the trade negotiation poker table, and it certainly isn’t Mr Hannan’s Britain.

Not that he can see it. Hannan assures us British exporters who suffer from a complete break from Europe could be compensated from the money raised by tariffs on EU goods. He doesn’t appear to grasp that the WTO restricts subsidies for exporters for reasons which ought to be obvious.

I could go on. But the practical point is one does not simply walk into the WTO any more than one simply walks into Mordor. Indeed, having attempted what Hannan has not, and tried to understand the WTO rules on ‘tariff rate quotas,’ walking into Mordor seems a stroll in comparison.

The psychological point is more telling. Astute readers will have noticed something very strange about Hannan’s piece for us: he is violently defending a policy he does not believe in. Blink and you could miss it, but Hannan says he is a ‘liberal Tory,’ who favours Britain following the Swiss model, not dropping out the single market and customs union entirely. The Swiss example necessitates paying for access to the single market by allowing EU nationals to live and work in the UK, as Switzerland does,  and by paying into the EU budget.

Fine. Good. This, too, is a sensible compromise. But Hannan’s liberalism cannot hold. He ought to be arguing against all those on the Right, who want to crash us out of the EU. But he can’t. To use his own language, he’s too much of a wuss to pick a fight with fellow Conservatives. Rather than having the courage to argue against his own side, he goes along with the extremists, just as the centre-left did in the noughties as the far left prepared to take over the Labour party.

The leavers are filled with a dangerous over-confidence. They did not expect to win the referendum. They half expected turmoil to follow when they did. Now in their moment of triumph they have convinced themselves that all the predictions of ‘project fear’ were illusory. This is an arguable point considering that the pound has crashed, the Bank of England has been compelled to cut interest rates to the lowest level, well, ever, and we have not actually left the EU. But arguing relevant points is as much a weakness for Mr Hannan as grasp of detail.

His faction has always been marked by its cockiness and intolerance of criticism. Unfortunately for us, his faction is now driving this country to an unknown destination without knowledge of or thought for the consequences

Kako je lijepo vidjeti da neko ovako precizno hangs, draws and quarters tog ljigavog kretena Hannana.

[Budja]

Ne znam koliko je ekonomski vazno, ali politicki je konzervama Trampara dobro dosao.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-21/britain-s-may-mexico-s-pena-nieto-to-meet-with-trump-this-month

 

 

Trump Team in Talks with U.K. on Post-Brexit Trade Deal

The Trump administration will lay the groundwork this week for a trade deal between the U.S. and the U.K. that would take effect after Britain leaves the European Union, a White House aide said, as Prime Minister Theresa May becomes the first foreign leader to visit the new president.

May last week declared Britain is "open for business" as she announced plans to pursue a clean break with the EU, paving the way for the U.K. to eventually strike new trade accords with the continent and other countries. May said she will travel to Washington and speak to President Donald Trump on Friday.

“We’ll have an opportunity to talk about our possible future trading relationship, but also some of the world’s challenges that we all face -- issues like defeating terrorism, the conflict in Syria,” and NATO, May said in an interview on the BBC’s “Andrew Marr Show” on Sunday. “When I sit down with Donald Trump, I’m going to be talking about how we can build on that special relationship.”

Trump officials believe their discussions with May’s government encouraged her to be more aggressive in exiting the EU. She can use any American support to argue the U.K. will prosper outside the bloc although she risks inflaming tensions with European leaders if they suspect her government is actively negotiating trade deals while still an EU member.

Johnson Meetings

Two of President Donald Trump’s senior advisers, Steve Bannon and son-in-law Jared Kushner, met with U.K. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson in New York on Jan. 8. The three are preparing for the future pact, the aide said, requesting anonymity because the discussions aren’t public.

Read more: What Makes a ‘Hard Brexit’ Harder Than a Soft One

Bannon, Trump’s National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, and other administration officials have also met with British defense and intelligence leaders, the aide said.

President Barack Obama warned in April that if the U.K. pursued Brexit, the country would go to the “back of the queue” for U.S. trade deals. U.K. voters chose to leave the EU anyway in a June referendum, and Trump now appears to be scrapping Obama’s position on the matter.

Trump’s team is also considering a deal to reduce barriers between U.S. and British banks, the Sunday Telegraph reported, citing officials from both sides.

Trump has tapped Woody Johnson, the billionaire owner of the New York Jets NFL team, to serve as U.S. ambassador to the U.K., a person familiar with the matter said on Jan. 19.

May and Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto will make visits to the U.S. this month to meet with Trump, administration officials said.

May will meet with Trump on Jan. 27, White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee said on Saturday. Pena Nieto will meet with Trump on Jan. 31, said Press Secretary Sean Spicer. Neither provided further details on the meetings.

Trade, immigration and Trump’s campaign promise to build a wall on the southern U.S. border loom large in the president’s relations with Mexico. Brexit, the campaign against Islamic State terrorism, the Syrian civil war and sanctions against Russia are key issues in relations between the Trump administration and Britain.

 

[katamaran]

Edited January 22, 2017 by katamaran

[Roger Sanchez]

Farron says Lib Dems will vote against article 50 unless government agrees referendum on final Brexit deal

Here is Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, responding to the supreme court judgment.

    I welcome today’s judgement. But this court case was never about legal arguments, it was about giving the people a voice, a say, in what happens next.

    This Tory Brexit government are keen to laud the democratic process when it suits them, but will not give the people a voice over the final deal. They seem happy to start with democracy and end in a stitch up.

    The Liberal Democrats are clear, we demand a vote of the people on the final deal and without that we will not vote for article 50.

Farron se budališe poze radi. Ako se narod i predomisli, UK svejedno izlijeće u jarak, samo bez ikakvih zračnih jastuka.

[MancMellow]

Sto se tice dobijanja glasova pametno postupa jer nije nemoguce da ojadi Labour na nekim mestima (pa ponegde cak i Torijevce, naravno znatno manje). Ako izlete iz EU (a hoce) i ako se to slucajno pokaze ekonomski veoma losim - pobrace ogromne poene. Mislim, to je stranka koja ima 1 ceiling, oni ne pucaju na 350 poslanika.