Dagmar Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 ja ne sumnjam da je u pitanju terorizam (sve u cemu ginu nevini ljudi je terorizam) al nisam siguran da ima veze sa IS-om, osim mozda na nivou davanja ideje. i onaj manijak sto je pobio preko 150 ljudi u oklahomi se kao svetio vladi, fbi-u, tako nekako. brejvik, i on je sve smislio sam. nekako mi se ovaj ne uklapa u muslimanskog fanatika, klasicnog dzihadistu koji u nesto veruje, pripada organizaciji i deluje u tom miljeu. mozda gresim al opet, jebem li ga, nekako mi se ne uklapaju kockice. edit - e, da, jutros cuo na radiju i da je bio zesce agresivan, razbijao i takoto pa su mu agresiju kontrolisali lekovima. Meni najverovatnije - psihički labilan lik, uz to i američkim jezikom rečeno luzer, koji se izgleda nije nešto kotirao ni kod svojih, i koji je odlučio da im svima pokaže. Terorizam podrazumeva neku političku pozadinu pri ciljanom napadu na civile iliinstitucije države. Recimo onaj iz german wingsa nije nešto što bih ja nazvala teroristom. Takođe i vojske ubijaju mnogo civila, pa to nije terorizam. Na kraju nije toliko bitno za jedan slučaj, imo bitnije uspeo je da ubije jako puno ljudi običnim kamionom, dok su se oni drugi organizovali po 20 i kilavili švercujući oružje i napadače za sličan broj žrtava. Pitanje je koliko je njemu Isis bio inspiracija, a potencijalno veći problem koliko će on da postane inspiracija Isisu.
Drug Chabor Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Pre dve godine u Dižonu islamista se zaleteo automobilom u ljude, sa sve Allahu ekbar i ubio čoveka, nije da im je otkrio Ameriku.
vememah Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 ISIS has created a framework for any mass killer to attain posthumous membership and notoriety. Linking atrocities to ISIS also provides us all a tempting narrative thread, a facile way to make some sense of horror. Whatever emerges out of the investigation in Nice, that temptation should be resisted. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trying-to-make-sense-of-the-attack-in-nice?mbid=social_twitter
Dagmar Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Pre dve godine u Dižonu islamista se zaleteo automobilom u ljude, sa sve Allahu ekbar i ubio čoveka, nije da im je otkrio Ameriku. Jednog. Ovaj može da se meri sa onim u Parizu po broju ljudi koje je ubio.
Desmond Bojčinski Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/ Edited July 16, 2016 by desboj
Weenie Pooh Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 ISIS has created a framework for any mass killer to attain posthumous membership and notoriety. Linking atrocities to ISIS also provides us all a tempting narrative thread, a facile way to make some sense of horror. Whatever emerges out of the investigation in Nice, that temptation should be resisted. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trying-to-make-sense-of-the-attack-in-nice?mbid=social_twitter +1 Ne treba im ići niz dlaku i prihvatati taj crowdsourcing masakra, gde organizacija prosto okači spisak od par hiljada imena na internet, a pojedinac neka udari kad i kako god stigne, može po spisku a i ne mora. Histerija po liniji "vidite šta nam radi ISIS" njima samo pogoduje.
Dr Arslanagić Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 ne radi se o ISIS-u. njih će verovatno vrlo brzo da zgovnaju bombama, kao što su i Al Kaidu pre njih i kao što će one koji dođu posle njih. problem je u tome što je sve veći broj evropskih muslimana spreman i rad na uništavanje i ubijanje u sopstvenim sredinama. zbog čega?
Dagmar Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 ne radi se o ISIS-u. njih će verovatno vrlo brzo da zgovnaju bombama, kao što su i Al Kaidu pre njih i kao što će one koji dođu posle njih. problem je u tome što je sve veći broj evropskih muslimana spreman i rad na uništavanje i ubijanje u sopstvenim sredinama. zbog čega? Zato što su im evropske sredine dozvolile da Saudi Arabija šalje svoje hodže da ih radikalizuju.
Tale Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Možda je lik bio nečim ucenjen / plaćen da uradi ovo po nalogu ID. TT
Krošek Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 ne radi se o ISIS-u. njih će verovatno vrlo brzo da zgovnaju bombama, kao što su i Al Kaidu pre njih i kao što će one koji dođu posle njih. problem je u tome što je sve veći broj evropskih muslimana spreman i rad na uništavanje i ubijanje u sopstvenim sredinama. zbog čega? razlog je usavrsavanje ili evoluiranje islamskog ekstremizma kao metoda. stalno ponavljana poruka koju on kroz islam proizvodi je vremenom ojacala i primila se u svesti sve veceg broja u evropi: promenite vas nacin zivota, postanite borci za islam, vas zivot ionako nije ono sto bi trebalo da bude, it's time for a change! oni bez navodjenja, bez organizacije, bez finansiranja znaju sta da cine, videli su na tv-u. potom neka u datom vremenu dominantna organizacija, hiljadama kilometara daleko uzima zasluge i stvara se predstava pobede i rasta koja takodje ima privlacnu moc. jednostavno vreme je razlog. islam i passage of time. i cinjenica da postoji isis kao vidljiva, najjaca grupa u datom vremenu, "opstepriznati" bauk.
Prospero Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 ... French media also reported that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel had driven the same truck, used in the attacks, along the boardwalk of Nice the evening before the massacre to check out the site. On Sunday, Manuel Valls, France’s Prime Minister, told the French newspaper “Journal du Dimanche” that it was still impossible to determine whether Lahouaiej-Bouhlel had a “jihadi past,” but his modus operandi corresponds “point by point” to some orders sent by the Islamic State. Valls said France was in a state of war and other terrorist attacks would be carried out. “It’s hard to say,” he said, “but other lives will be knocked down. It will be long.”
Hella Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 i naravno ko će da preživi demonstraciju motorizovanog multikulturalizma nego šljam koji se zalagao za isti Revealed: U2's Bono was caught up in Bastille Day massacre and had to be rescued from a restaurant by anti-terror police
wall Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 i naravno ko će da preživi demonstraciju motorizovanog multikulturalizma nego šljam koji se zalagao za isti Revealed: U2's Bono was caught up in Bastille Day massacre and had to be rescued from a restaurant by anti-terror police :D
Dr Arslanagić Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 čitaj i ponašaj se Evo, francuski premijer se slaže “The terrorism threat will be a fundamental and enduring problem and other lives will be wrecked”
Prospero Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 The Tunisian delivery driver who killed 84 people when he drove a truck into a crowd watching Bastille Day fireworks in Nice on Thursday sent a text message just before the attack about his supply of weapons. Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, 31, wrote of his “satisfaction at having obtained a 7.65mm pistol” and discussed the supply of other weapons, a police source confirmed to the news agency AFP. A pistol, two replica assault rifles and a dummy grenade were found in the truck. It also emerged that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel took pictures of himself at the wheel of the truck before the attack and shared them by text message. More than 200 investigators are working on identifying the recipients of the messages.
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