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[Pantelija jr]

ti si putino-ljubitelj, komunista i fašista.

[mlatko]

ušo mu ruski gas u krvotok, krizira od same pomisli na apstinenciju

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[duma]

20 minutes ago, Redoran said:

Sad, odakle ta bočica u nemačkoj laboratoriji? Pa, ovi iz tima kažu da su nekih sat vremena po dobijanju informacije da se Navalnom slošilo, ušli u hotelsku sobu i preventivno pokupili sve stvari i predmete koji su mogli biti sumnjivi. To uključuje i pomenutu bočicu tretiranu, je li, super novičokom koji je još gori i grđi od običnog novičoka, a koji je 8 puta smrtonosniji od VX nervnog agensa koji ubija u roku od par sekundi do par minuta najduže. Uzeli su bočicu i stavili je u kesu a da se nikom ništa nije desilo. Evo snimka iz sobe.

Da zanemarimo sitnicu da FSB-u nije palo napamet da ukloni dokaze.

Da analiziramo snimak. Opušteno se šetka bez ikakve maske i sa rukavicama koje su potanke i da se s njima dotakne domestos. Velika većina komentara ismeva snimak. Ostatak sve koji ne veruju u snimak proglašava ruskim botovima. Argumenta u prilog autentičnosti nisam video. Ako je neko i verovao u trovanje od strane FSB-a, ovaj snimak otklanja sve sumnje. 

 

SAD očigledno vrše pritisak da se zaustavi Severni tok 2, kako bi favorizovale LNG. To je po meni sasvim legitimno, takve stvari su se radile i radiće se. Nemaju neke jače argumente pa potežu ovu komediju.

Apsurd je da SAD gura Rusiju u zagrljaj Kine što je za njih dugoročno izuzetno štetno. Umesto Južnog toka dobili smo Snagu Sibira. Zaustavljanje Severnog toka 2 dodatno će okrenuti Ruse ka Kinezima.

EU očigledno niko ništa ne pita. Njihove firme će izgubiti mnogo novca, a oni će postati zavisni od LNG-a. Sigurno nisu tolike budale da veruju u ovakve snimke, ali očigledno ne smeju da kažu. 

[mackenzie]

Jel umrla mačka kao prošli put... od gladi?

[vememah]

Znači Nemci su sve falsifikovali (ne samo prisustvo novičoka u flašici, već i u uzorcima krvi, urina i kože) pošto im sad naprasno više ne odgovara da se napravi Severni tok 2. Logično.

 

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The Charité quickly involved the German Federal Armed Forces in the investigation. The civil experts in Berlin soon came to the conclusion that Navalny had been poisoned. But the substance itself could not be isolated. The German Armed Forces also needed a few days in a special laboratory in Munich, but then came to the clear conclusion that Navalny had come into contact with a poison from the Novichok group. There were only minimal traces, but the experts found the internationally outlawed substance in skin, blood and urine samples. The results are reliable.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-was-der-giftanschlag-fuer-das-deutsch-russische-verhaeltnis-bedeutet-a-92697da0-8716-4fbd-9627-5ec46aec32be (translated by Deepl)

Edited September 19, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

Naravno, i Francuzi i Šveđani su rešili da podrže Nemce u tom falsifikatu lažno potvrđujući da se u novim uzorcima uzetim od Navaljnog nalazi novičok, a to će izgleda uskoro da uradi i OPCW.

 

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Specialist labs in France and Sweden have confirmed Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was poisoned with the Soviet-era nerve agent Novichok, the German government said Monday.

A German military laboratory previously confirmed the substance in his samples.

German government spokesperson Steffen Seibert said that the Hague-based Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has also received samples and is taking steps to have those tested at its reference laboratories.

"Independently of the ongoing examinations by the OPCW, three laboratories have now confirmed independently of one another the proof of a nerve agent of the Novichok group as the cause of Mr. Navalny's poisoning," Seibert said in a statement.

He said Germany had asked France and Sweden for an "independent review" of the German findings using new samples from Navalny.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/france-sweden-navalny-tests-1.5722821

 

 

3 hours ago, Redoran said:

Uzeli su bočicu i stavili je u kesu a da se nikom ništa nije desilo.

 

Pa ako je ova varijanta otrova optimizovana za uzimanje oralnim putem, nije nešto mnogo verovatno da će neko nastradati držeći flašicu rukavicama, a zatim u zavezanoj kesi.

 

Evo šta je čovek koji je devedesetih svetu otkrio da novičok uopšte postoji izjavio povodom ovog slučaja pre dve nedelje:

 

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RFE/RL Russian Service correspondent Mark Krutov spoke with Soviet and Russian chemist Vil Mirzayanov about the two incidents. Mirzayanov worked from 1965 until 1992 at the State Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology, which was run by the military and the KGB. He was part of the team that developed the Novichok nerve agent in the early 1970s. When he left the institute in 1992, he was the first person to speak publicly of the Novichok group of toxins.

RFE/RL: The Novichok that was used in Great Britain caused considerable environmental harm. We all remember seeing emergency workers in hazardous-materials gear working at the places where Sergei and Yulia Skripal had been. One resident of Salisbury died after coming into contact with a perfume bottle containing traces of Novichok. There was talk that whole buildings might have to be evacuated and destroyed. Why did nothing like this happen in Aleksei Navalny's case?

Vil Mirzayanov: The key was the method used. Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned by coming into contact with Novichok through the skin…. In Navalny's case, most likely, the Novichok entered his system through the digestive tract. I believe that in this case, a different version of Novichok was used, one with the code name A-261. Instead of a substance from the amidine group, they attached [crystalline] guanidine to the Novichok molecule. This was done by the creator of Novichok, Pyotr Kirpichev. For one thing, this enabled them to increase the toxicity of the agent by about 10 times compared to that of the substance used in Salisbury. Also, it is a solid substance. It can be mixed with sugar or added into a packet with tea. You only need a few milligrams to kill someone.

RFE/RL: Why didn't Navalny die?

Mirzayanov: It is always a question when the target doesn't die. Maybe he was given a nonlethal dose. Maybe the goal was not to kill him but to put him out of commission and leave him disabled.

 

RFE/RL: The doctors in Germany say the indications are that Navalny is slowly recovering. As we all know, the Skripals survived their poisoning. But you seem to think that the effects for Navalny could be permanent.

Mirzayanov: That is because I have not heard of any cases of complete recovery following poisoning by an organophosphate chemical-warfare agent. The people who came into contact with such substances during the Soviet period never returned to their previous work.

The doctors say that Navalny will recover. But I have my doubts. The [neurotransmitter] acetylcholine is responsible for the transmission of signals in the brain that control many functions -- vision, the muscles, metabolism. As a result of this poisoning, these connections can be irreversibly harmed or destroyed.

 

RFE/RL: If we are indeed talking about a different form of Novichok, is it one that is less dangerous for bystanders?

Mirzayanov: Yes. If it is a solid substance, it has a virtually harmless level of vaporization. I would even say no vaporization. It could not even pass through a sheet of paper. It would also be harmless for the "operator," as the terrorist is usually called. He can carry it about and place it into someone's tea even with his bare hands. Kirpichev devised the solid form of Novichok and tested it at the Shikhany laboratory. It proved to be 10 times more lethal than the previously developed forms, A-230 and A-232.

I have never seen A-261, but apparently it can be produced in many forms. In this case, most likely it was a powder.

RFE/RL: When Navalny was still in the hospital in Omsk, people were saying that they were not letting him be transferred to Germany in order to allow time for the poison to be processed through the body. Does this make sense, or can Novichok be detected even after a period of weeks?

 

Mirzayanov: Of course, the human body tries to get rid of poison. From this point of view, the actions of the Russian authorities make sense. The longer they held him, the more of the poison would be processed. But we know from the example of the Skripals that once Novichok has entered the body, it does not quickly disappear. It can be detected even after a month.

RFE/RL: How do you think the German doctors were able to detect the Novichok in Navalny?

Mirzayanov: At the hospital in Omsk, they were most likely not able to do the necessary analysis. Most likely, they simply do not have the equipment and the qualified personnel necessary. It is very expensive equipment -- a mass spectrometer alone costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. And the computers must have known versions of Novichok in their databases. I described these versions in my book, which was originally published in 2007. I imagine that, after it was published, all advanced countries synthesized small quantities and submitted them to mass spectrometry.

 

RFE/RL: The doctors in Omsk said Navalny's analyses were sent to Moscow and that the laboratory there found no evidence of poison. Could it be that Moscow did not have the necessary equipment?

Mirzayanov: Of course, Moscow has such equipment, which is required by its participation in the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). Within the CWC framework, inspections are carried out and analyses are performed. Of course, it is another matter whether they would want to announce the results of their analyses if they were even carried out. The security services would not allow that.

RFE/RL: There were reports that Germany asked England for assistance. And also Bulgaria, where it is believed that arms dealer Emilian Gebrev was poisoned by Novichok in 2015. What do you make of this?

Mirzayanov: Well, the more information you have, the better. But I doubt that the Bulgarians would be able to help the Germans much in identifying the poison. The Germans and the English have very good equipment. Most likely, with the Bulgarians they were exchanging information on treatments.

RFE/RL: How did you feel personally when you found out that, just two years after the poisoning of the Skripals, Aleksei Navalny had also been poisoned by Novichok?

Mirzayanov: As someone who participated in the creation of Novichok, I always feel as if I have a certain amount of guilt in such cases. It always affects me quite negatively…. I never thought that the things that we developed and spent so much of our time and abilities on would someday become a weapon of terror. We always thought that it was necessary for the defense of the country. But later I understood that it is simply a weapon of mass murder that affects defenseless people. Not combatants, but civilians. Soldiers can always wear protective gear, and nothing would happen to them even if they were exposed to Novichok. But even after I understood this, I never thought things would reach such a shameful point.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-navalny-novichok-inventor-mirzayanov-interview/30821316.html

 

Detalji o spomenutom trovanju Bugarina iz članka NYT-a od januara:

 

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Bulgaria Charges 3 Russian Agents in Poisoning Case
The trio, members of a secretive group within Russia’s military intelligence agency, are accused of trying to kill an arms dealer, his son and one of his top executives in 2015.

 

Michael Schwirtz
Jan. 23, 2020

 

Prosecutors in Bulgaria announced criminal charges on Thursday against three Russian spies from a secretive assassination unit for the 2015 poisoning of a prominent Bulgarian arms manufacturer.

The three men slipped into the country using fake passports and, according to prosecutors, used an organophosphate poison in an attempt “to deliberately kill” the arms manufacturer, Emilian Gebrev, along with his son and a top executive in his company.

Though the victims survived, the poisoning in central Sofia, Bulgaria’s capital, endangered the lives of numerous people, the Prosecutor General’s office said in a statement.

Prosecutors released few details about the Russian spies on Thursday. But an investigation published in The New York Times last month identified them as operatives from Unit 29155, an elite group within Russia’s military intelligence agency that carries out assassinations and disruption operations in Europe.

Members of the unit have also been involved in an attempted coup in Montenegro and an operation in Moldova, as well as the poisoning in 2018 of a former Russian spy, Sergei V. Skripal, in the English town of Salisbury.

The Skripal poisoning touched off a geopolitical showdown between Russia and the West that continues to reverberate. In response, more than 120 Russian diplomats were expelled from the European Union and the United States, and Britain filed criminal charges against two operatives later identified as officers with Unit 29155.

Bulgaria had initially been reluctant to confront Russia, though experts and officials say Russian spies often use Bulgaria as a staging ground for operations throughout Europe. The Bulgarian government declined to expel any diplomats in the wake of the Skripal poisoning and had closed the inquiry into the Gebrev poisoning years earlier because of a lack of evidence.

But after the British presented evidence of Unit 29155’s activities on Bulgarian soil, the authorities there reopened the case.

The Times identified six operatives from Unit 29155 who appear to have been involved in the operation to kill Mr. Gebrev and the others. The three charged on Thursday arrived in Bulgaria shortly before Mr. Gebrev fell ill at a dinner with business partners in late April 2015.

Though the men were not named by prosecutors, using travel information, The Times was able to identify them by their aliases: Sergei Fedotov, Sergei Pavlov and Georgi Gorshkov. (The operatives using the names Fedotov and Pavlov were also involved in overseeing and planning the Skripal poisoning, according to European security officials.)

In Sofia, the operatives checked into a hotel near Mr. Gebrev’s offices and insisted on rooms with windows facing the entrance of an underground parking garage, investigators said. One of the men then slipped into the garage, and, according to grainy surveillance video, appears to smear a substance on the door handles of cars belonging to the victims.

That was just the first poisoning. Investigators say that after failing to kill Mr. Gebrev and the others, Mr. Fedotov and another operative returned a month later and poisoned him and his son again while they were convalescing at their home on the Black Sea. Again, they failed to kill their victims, though Mr. Gebrev says his business continues to suffer.

In the statement on Thursday, the Prosecutor General’s office said European arrest warrants and Interpol red notices — requests that other countries arrest suspects — had been filed for the three men involved in the first poisoning. It is not clear whether investigators plan to charge the other men involved in the operation.

The Kremlin is unlikely to hand over its operatives to face prosecution. After Britain announced charges against the two officers accused of involvement in the Skripal case, the men went on Russian state television to explain that they were merely sports nutritionists who had visited Salisbury to tour its famous cathedral.

Dmitri S. Peskov, a spokesman for Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, did not immediately respond on Thursday to a request for comment, though in the past he has dismissed reporting on Unit 29155 as “pulp fiction.”

At times, though, Mr. Putin, who signed a law in 2006 allowing Russian operatives to carry out assassinations abroad, has been less equivocal. When asked last month about Russian involvement in the assassination of a former Chechen rebel commander in Berlin last year, he pointedly declined to deny it, calling the victim “an absolutely bloodthirsty murderer.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/world/europe/bulgaria-russian-agents-poison.html

Edited September 19, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

Opis simptoma trovanja bugarskog biznismena iz članka NYT-a od 22. decembra 2019. ukazuje na to da je sasvim moguće da su Rusi sposobni da naprave da novičok deluje odloženo.

 

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The poison took effect slowly.

Mr. Gebrev first realized something was wrong on the evening of April 27, 2015, when his right eye suddenly turned “as red as the red on the Russian flag.” It felt, he said, as if someone had dumped a bucket of sand into his pupil.

The next evening, Mr. Gebrev went to his favorite restaurant on the 19th floor of the Hotel Marinela, a luxury hangout in Sofia, the Bulgarian capital, where the clientele can pose for selfies with the peacocks wandering freely around the bar. At dinner, Mr. Gebrev began to vomit violently and was rushed to a military hospital. There, he began to see explosions of vivid colors. Then, his field of vision suddenly turned to black and white.

As his hallucinations intensified, he imagined angry, fantastical creatures that threatened to drag him away.

“I visited the afterlife three times, by my estimate,” he said in one of a series of interviews conducted over the past half year. “The doctors said they almost lost me.”

A day later, the company’s production manager, Valentin Tahchiev, was hospitalized, too. Days after that, Mr. Gebrev’s son, Hristo, who was being groomed to lead Mr. Gebrev’s company, Emco, was also rushed to intensive care.

“When they get rid of me and my son, the company will be destroyed,” Mr. Gebrev said later. “Who would sign contracts? Who has the rights?”

For the next month, as Mr. Gebrev recuperated in the hospital, the Bulgarian authorities made little progress on the case. In a former Soviet satellite country with a long history of contract killings, the Bulgarian news media barely paid attention. The prosecutor general suggested that Mr. Gebrev had been sickened by tainted arugula. Eventually, though, officials concluded that all three men had been poisoned.

In late May, Mr. Gebrev was released from the hospital and joined his son at the family vacation home on the Black Sea. There, the two men were poisoned again. This time, the symptoms were less dramatic and they drove themselves back to Sofia and checked into the same hospital for about two weeks.

Despite two poisonings, Bulgarian prosecutors failed to unearth any leads or evidence. Bulgarian intelligence agencies never reported detecting a Russian assassination team in the country, and possibly never realized it had been there.

“Anytime it’s linked to something with Russia, Bulgarian intelligence is very impotent,” said Rosen Plevneliev, who was Bulgaria’s president at the time of the poisonings. “Bulgarian intelligence is not willing to counter Russian intelligence and hybrid warfare.”

When the hospital failed to determine the substance used in the poisoning, Mr. Gebrev enlisted a Finnish laboratory, Verifin, which detected two chemicals in his urine, including diethyl phosphonate, which is found in pesticides. The other chemical could not be identified.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/world/europe/bulgaria-russia-assassination-squad.html

 

Tačkice su povezane tek nakon slučaja Skripalj.

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In March 2018, a former Russian spy named Sergei V. Skripal was poisoned by a lethal nerve agent in the English town of Salisbury. He began ranting at a restaurant and fell into a coma before clawing his way back to life. It was the first recorded use of a chemical weapon in Europe since World War II, and it touched off a frantic investigation to determine the extent of the threat.

British prosecutors attributed the attack to assassins working for Russia’s military intelligence agency, known widely as the G.R.U. Working with European allies, the British authorities analyzed travel records of known Russian operatives. One stood out, a man using a Russian passport with the name of Sergei Fedotov.

For five years, he had traveled extensively in Europe, visiting Serbia, Spain and Switzerland. He was in London a few days before Mr. Skripal was poisoned, leaving shortly after that attack, and British authorities have now identified him as the commander of the team that poisoned Mr. Skripal.

It also turned out that he had been in Bulgaria in 2015, making three visits: in February; in April, when Mr. Gebrev was first poisoned; and again in late May, coinciding with the second poisoning.

Investigators from the Britain-based open-source news outlet Bellingcat have identified the man using the Fedotov alias as Denis V. Sergeev, a high-ranking G.R.U. officer and a veteran of Russia’s wars in the North Caucasus. The British authorities confirmed the accuracy of the report.

The revelation that he was connected to the poisonings in both England and Bulgaria was critical in helping Western officials conclude that these were not one-off Russian attacks but rather part of a coordinated campaign run by Unit 29155.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/world/europe/bulgaria-russia-assassination-squad.html

Edited September 19, 2020 by vememah

[namenski]

5 hours ago, vememah said:

Opis simptoma trovanja bugarskog biznismena iz članka NYT-a od 22. decembra 2019. ukazuje na to da je sasvim moguće da su Rusi sposobni da naprave da novičok deluje odloženo.

Sumnje nema da jesu: jos samo da ga usavrse da zavrsi pos'o ubije...

[mackenzie]

Njemci su poznati laboranti i njima treba vjerovati. Ostalim podguznim muvama ne, a pogotovo ne OPCW posle njihove sirijske ekskurzije.

[Redoran]

8 hours ago, duma said:

Da zanemarimo sitnicu da FSB-u nije palo napamet da ukloni dokaze.

Da analiziramo snimak. Opušteno se šetka bez ikakve maske i sa rukavicama koje su potanke i da se s njima dotakne domestos. Velika većina komentara ismeva snimak. Ostatak sve koji ne veruju u snimak proglašava ruskim botovima. Argumenta u prilog autentičnosti nisam video. Ako je neko i verovao u trovanje od strane FSB-a, ovaj snimak otklanja sve sumnje.

 

FSB sobarica je podmetnula otrovanu flašicu ali je šefa njenog tima bolelo uvo da pošalje "čistače" nakon što Navalni izađe iz sobe, kako ne bi došla prava sobarica ili neko od osoblja i zaginuo na mestu. Pukom srećom su umesto njih došli i počistili ovi iz tima Navalni, koji imaju urođeni imunitet na najsmrtonosniji nervni agens u poznatom univerzumu.

[namenski]

55 minutes ago, mackenzie said:

Njemci su poznati laboranti i njima treba vjerovati.

Јесу.

И доказани приде када је материја у питању, а ни искуства не мањка: Zyklon B...

 

Зајебано је само када крене извештавање само по основу средстава информисања којима може да се верује^{андурил}, а према којима је Радио Јереван еталон објективности и свега осталог што већ краси ту врсту медија...

Чудно како Новичок час ради, час не ради, а не ради обично када се укаже потреба да буде доказан у независним^тм лабораторијама, нарочито ван Русије.

Иначе, у самој Русији, када затреба, ради без грешке, па је тако извесни Иван Кивалиди, иначе банкар, Росбизнесбанка и златне руске 90-те, који се рачуна у прве доказане жртве Новичок-а убијен наношењем истог на телефонску слушалицу којом приликом је настрадала секретарица, а најебало још 10-ак људи из окружења, додуше не смртно.

Отров је нанесен на мембрану телефонске слушалице и њеним вибрирањем током коришћења микроскопски ситне капи су летеле и наносиле се на кожу жртве, поприлично софистицирано у односу на данашње КГБ ФСБ методе фајтања отровом свега и свачега...

На страну што су у случају поменутог Кивалидија отров купљен, 2 ампуле по беше 5 mg, US$ 5,000 свака, украдене из Государственный институт технологии органического синтеза познатији као ГИТОС, иначе у банкроту од неке 2010...

Остатак приче је типично руски^тм и вукао се до дубоко у 21. век: бивши ОМОН-овац који је отров купио од запосленика у ГИТОС-у, па побегао у Латвију, сахрана Кивалидија којој су присуствовали Горбачов, Черномирдин, Лушков, итд, итд..., адвокатске шпекулације да нема шансе да ФСБ није умешао прсте, директно или преко криминалних елемената с њиме повезаних, застарелост гоњења поменутог ОМОН-овца који се после 2010. године вратио у Русију...

Иначе, сама супстанца^тм је до 1994. године била под режимом државне тајне.

А што се лабораторија тиче, финска лабораторија (Универзитет у Хелсинкију), иначе специјализована за испитивање бојних отрова и која је испитивала трагове нађене у телу убијеног бугарског трговца оружјем Гебрева и која је имала све погодности, осим политичке заинтересованости^тм, није ишла даље од извештаја да присуство неких супстанци може да укаже на сумњу да се ради о тровању, али да се то никако не може категорички да тврди...

Е, али онда се укључило истраживачко новинарство, Bellingcat, The Insider и Der Spiegel..., које је сместа утврдило^тм да је отров био нанесен на кваку^тм аутомобила којим се Гебрев возио, које је идентификовало починиоце, наравно официре ФСБ, њихова права и лажна имена, бројеве шенгенских виза, интерес Русије да сјебе Гебрева будући да је оружјем снабдевао Грузију и Украјину, све, све, све до реакције бугарских власти које су реаговале тек на основу резултата које су поменути медији презентовали, док резултате до којих су дошли званични органи нису сматрале довољним или можда јесу, али после 5 година, тек фебруара 2020. будући да су поменути медији свој посао обавили 2015. године...

Све у свему једни стицаји околности...

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by namenski

[Anduril]

Evo strucnjak za Novicok i vatrogasnu opremu.

[namenski]

Just now, Anduril said:

Evo strucnjak za Novicok i vatrogasnu opremu.

И Андурила, заборавио си...

[Strucnjak]

Reci druze Namenski sta se u stvari desilo, tvoje neko vidjenje,

[namenski]

3 minutes ago, Strucnjak said:

Reci druze Namenski sta se u stvari desilo, tvoje neko vidjenje,

To niko ne zna i pitanje je da li ce se ikada saznati.

Ili ce se saznati kada vise nikome ne bude vazno ili vrsilo pos'o.

I ovde se, mislim na forum, uz sva gadjanja raznim cinjenicama i 'cinjenicama', ne radi o tome: radi se o - sa jedne strane - drzanju strane medijima koji su eksponenti odnosa prema Rusiji/Kini manje-vise onako kako ga je opisao Redoran i zdravorazumskih^tm pokusaja da se konstatuju, ali samo konstatuju izvesne i nesporne logicke kontradikcije.

Sa preporucenom skepsom za obe strane, inace se dobija rezultat koji ovde mozes da procitas: svaki pokusaj da se neke stvari dovedu u pitanje, zapitanosti, smesta se obelezi kao putinoljublje, rusofilija, fasizam, itd, itd..., dok druga strana u takozvane nezavisne i ostale medije gleda kao u Bibliju, a svaku njihovu informaciju^tm tretira kao urezanu u kamen, a sebe smatra zatocnikom demokratskih vrednosti i sloboda, nasuprot pomenutim putinoljupcima, kinezoljupcima, itd, itd...

Citam i smejem se: Redoran, koji mi sigurno nije najomiljeniji forumas i sa kojim se cesto ne slazem, sedne i napise, svojom rukom tastaturom suvisao tekst, tekst koji ga - sve drugo na stranu - nikako ne kvalifikuje kao rusoljupca i koji naprosto najobicnijom logikom postavi neka pitanja koja se -hoces-neces - postavljaju sama od sebe takoreci, a kao kontra argument dobije citate iz ovih ili onih novina, po neki tvit i - шлус.

I onda - sledeci krug...  

 

A najgori od svega su talasi u kojima ovakve i slicne pojave nailaze: kukao sam onoliko o manjku forumskog materijala glede onog saudijskog novinara ubijenog u Stambolu, o pedofilu koji je naprasno riknuo u demokratskom zatvoru, itd, itd..., i - gle cuda - viska, inflacije materijala glede Novicoka i ostalih rusko-kineskih sranja, inflaciji koja naprosto gura prst u oko tendencioznoscu i uklapanjem u neke politicke agende^tm...

 

BTW, sta bi, nema nista o onom uvazenom visokom clanu spanske kraljevske porodice koji je, koliko onomad bese napravio neko sranje, utek'o s nekim parama, jebemliga...