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[x500]

Djindjic je bio premijer, Nemcov je bio sta? Nikakav ozbiljan motiv ne nalazim kod Putina i ruskih vlasti da ga ubiju.

Cort0,

Ne vode se ljudi uvek racionalnim razlozima. Glavni motiv moze biti zastrasivanje, da svako ko bi se glasno usprotivio VelikomVodji razmisli sta mu se moze desiti.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

[Lord Protector]

Spekulacija o unutarmafijaskom obracunu sluzi samo za pranje Putina.

Slow, ako je vec odbrana lika i dela tema, linija zavadjenih grupa i odmetnutih silovika se cini logicnijom od one Njemcov spijun/mafijas.

 

Otkud ti ideja da je odbrana lika i dela tema? Ako ga je FSB smaknuo zbog hipotetičkog pretrčavanja tipa Litvinjenko Putin je onda direktni nalogodavac, nema šanse da je to prošlo bez njegovog naređenja/odobrenja. Iako mi takođe Prosperova verzija o frakcijskim sukobima zvuči kao vrlo verovatna. Politički motivi mi zadnjih dana izgledaju sve manje relevantni.

Edited March 11, 2015 by slow

[barrcode]

 sve ide nekim predvidivim tokom.

 

 

Zaud Dadayev, chief suspect in the murder of opposition leader Boris Nemtsov has essentially disavowed his previous confession to the murder of Nemtsov after a visit from the Public Monitoring Commission, Moskovsky Komsomolets (MK) reports.

Two other jailed suspects, the Gubashev brothers, also withdrew their statement. An MK reporter went along on the prison visit to Lefortovo, the FSB's prison known as an investigation and isolation facility (SIZO).

The three Chechen men told the monitors of beatings and torture which had allegedly been used on them after their arrest and transport to prison

[ManicMiner]

Bice na kraju - 'priznali pod mukama'.

[Cort0 Maltese]

Cort0,

Ne vode se ljudi uvek racionalnim razlozima. Glavni motiv moze biti zastrasivanje, da svako ko bi se glasno usprotivio VelikomVodji razmisli sta mu se moze desiti.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

Bas sad u vrijeme kad mu je podrska najveca se sjetio da zastrasuje neistomisljenike koji imaju mozda 1% podrske, nakon 15 godina vlasti. Ne pije vodu.

[Аврам Гојић]

Bas sad u vrijeme kad mu je podrska najveca se sjetio da zastrasuje neistomisljenike koji imaju mozda 1% podrske, nakon 15 godina vlasti. Ne pije vodu.

 

Cui bono je izuzetno loš princip za tumačenje političke stvarnosti, zato što pogrešno podrazumeva da sve strane uvek rade u svom racionalnom interesu. Sećam se da su se ljudi koristili cui bono argumentom pri rasuđivanju o atentatima na Ivana Stambolića i Vuka Draškovića. 

Edited March 11, 2015 by Грешни Василије

[Prospero]

nije problem u cui bono principu nego u verovanju da osoba a može racionalno da proceni šta je osobi b iz lične perspektive u najboljem racionalnom interesu.

[Аврам Гојић]

Da.

[Cort0 Maltese]

Cui bono je izuzetno loš princip za tumačenje političke stvarnosti, zato što pogrešno podrazumeva da sve strane uvek rade u svom racionalnom interesu. Sećam se da su se ljudi koristili cui bono argumentom pri rasuđivanju o atentatima na Ivana Stambolića i Vuka Draškovića. 

 

Medjutim uzorak ponasanja nije los princip za tumacenje. Na kraju krajeva i na sud se zove ljude da svjedoce o necijem karakteru.

 

Ako netko u 15 godina vlasti nije ubijao politicke protivnike, malo je vjerojatno da ce to odjednom poceti raditi. Zapravo ne sjecam se da sam cuo za takav slucaj.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Cort0 Maltese

[Аврам Гојић]

Ako netko u 15 godina vlasti nije ubijao politicke protivnike, malo je vjerojatno da ce to odjednom poceti raditi. 

 

Edited March 11, 2015 by Грешни Василије

[Prospero]

još jedan link ide niz vodu
 

Russia 'completely ending' activities under Conventional Armed Forces in Europe treaty

Published time: March 10, 2015 16:52
Edited time: March 10, 2015 17:45
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Moscow has announced it is "completely" ending activities under the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE). Russia’s participation in the treaty was first halted in 2007.

"The Russian Federation has taken the decision to halt its participation in meetings of the [consulting group] from March 11, 2015. Therefore, Russia is ending its actions in the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe, announced in 2007, completely," a statement from the Foreign Ministry said.

Moscow has asked Belarus to represent Russia's interests in the group starting from Wednesday, the statement said.

According to the Ministry, the move does not mean that Moscow refuses to continue further dialogue on control of conventional armed forces in Europe - "if and when our partners are ready for it," the Ministry official said in the statement, adding that future work on the project should serve the interests of both Russia and other European states.

The original CFE Treaty, signed in 1990 by 16 NATO and six Warsaw Pact, set equal ceilings for each bloc on key categories of conventional armaments, with tanks, combat armored vehicles, artillery, assault helicopters and combat aircraft among them. For instance, under the treaty, each side is supposed to have no more than 16,500 tanks or 27,300 armored combat vehicles in active units.

1999 saw an “adapted” version of the treaty signed. However NATO members refused to ratify it until Russia withdrew troops from Georgia and the breakaway Moldovan region of Transdnestria. Russia slammed the condition as an “artificial linkage.”

In December 2007 this led to Moscow imposing a moratorium on the CFE treaty. Moscow also said the treaty was “irrelevant” since NATO planned to increase its military presence in Eastern Europe.

Four years later, the North Atlantic bloc stated exchange of information on conventional weapons and troops with Russia would be stopped. In November 2014, Moscow suspended the implementation of the CFE Treaty. Two months later, the US House of Representatives issued a resolution condemning Russia and, among other points, urging president Obama to review US and NATO armed forces readiness under the CFE.

"For many years the Russian Federation has been doing everything possible to maintain... the treaty, initiated talks on its adaptation and ratified the adaptation agreement," Moscow said Tuesday, adding that all such efforts have been dismissed by NATO in favor of the alliance's expansion.

Meanwhile, Norway has started military exercises in its northernmost province, which borders Russia’s Kola Peninsula. Called 'Joint Viking,' the one-week war games involve 5,000 Norwegian troops and 400 vehicles, the largest military training exercise in nearly 50 years in the country, which has been promoting closer military cooperation with NATO member states after escalation of the Ukrainian crisis.

[Pantelija jr]

Deža mi se neki vi u vezi sa ovim pokojnikom... zar nismo imali jedan (dva, tri...) krug diskusije o njemu prije X vremena, i zaključili da se odbjegli obavještajac po običajnom pravu™ ne može smatrati zaštićenom vrstom?

 

Da ne budem pogrešno shvaćen, ne pravdam, ne odobravam - samo ističem da se u njegovoj profesiji takav žalosni kraj nekako smatra skoro pa prirodnom smrću (ili ja previše filmova gledam). Svakako daleko očekivanijom nego kod recimo civila™, što političari ipak jesu.

[Аврам Гојић]

Deža mi se neki vi u vezi sa ovim pokojnikom... zar nismo imali jedan (dva, tri...) krug diskusije o njemu prije X vremena, i zaključili da se odbjegli obavještajac po običajnom pravu™ ne može smatrati zaštićenom vrstom?

 

Da ne budem pogrešno shvaćen, ne pravdam, ne odobravam - samo ističem da se u njegovoj profesiji takav žalosni kraj nekako smatra skoro pa prirodnom smrću (ili ja previše filmova gledam). Svakako daleko očekivanijom nego kod recimo civila™, što političari ipak jesu.

 

Šest godina ga nisu dirali. Petnaest dana nakon što je optužio Putina za ubistvo Ane Politkovskaje, ubijen je na takav način da ne postoji ni najmanja sumnja o naručiocu.

[Cort0 Maltese]

 

Na koju foru je prebjeg iz tajne sluzbe politicki protivnik?

[Аврам Гојић]

Na koju foru je prebjeg iz tajne sluzbe politicki protivnik?

 

Na tu foru što ga šest godina nisu dirali, i da nije mirno sedeo na imanju u Midsomeru, nego je aktivno i javno sarađivao sa Berezovskim. 

 

OK on. A Politkovskaja? Ne može se sa sigurnošću reći da je FSB iza njene smrti, ali se to može osnovano pretpostaviti., a to minira tvoju tezu.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Грешни Василије