radisa Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Dobro je sto Kina ovu dvojicu koristi kao politicke zatvorenike, a Kenez u Kanadi kad je uhapšen, to nikakve veze sa politikom nema...
Roger Sanchez Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Razumijem kinik-izam, tu B92 i PPP tradiciju, sve to fino, ali zar ozbiljno poredimo kinesko tužiljaštvo i sudove s kanadskim, ako već ne amerčkim? . . . /mod edit: delimicno nedostaje kontekst zbog brisanja/ uzeti su kanadski taoci, a ne iz zemlje iz koje je optužba protiv Princeze ponikla. Znamo zašto, kao i što je sad jasno kako je milost s Nebeskog Mira stigla u par sati, sigurno nitko nije pitao nadležni kineski sud ili komisiju za pomilovanja što misli o tome.
borris_ Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) /mod: deo do crtica je odgovor na obrisan post, a ne Rogeru/ [ Pa ovo je topic o Kini i prica je o aferi ceeke vlasnika Huaweia. Da li imas nzsto reci o toj aferi? Imas mnogo primjera upotrebe USA ekstraterijalnog zakona. Tako je GE kupio dio Alstoma - afera Pierucci. Imas aferu o BNPu (5m€ odstete). To se zove ekonomski rat. EU je cak uvela neke kontra mjere da bi zastitila svoje firme. ] - - - 3 hours ago, Roger Sanchez said: Pa naravno da nisam, uzeti su kanadski taoci, a ne iz zemlje iz koje je optužba protiv Princeze ponikla. Znamo zašto, kao i što je sad jasno kako je milost s Nebeskog Mira stigla u par sati, sigurno nitko nije pitao nadležni kineski sud ili komisiju za pomilovanja što misli o tome. Kako kod da okrenes kinezi su uradili pametno. Kanada je osudila cerku oi su se osvetili kanadi. Taj USA zakon im sluzi za ekonomski rat. Upotrebljavaju ga protiv saveznika i protiv neprijatelja. Saveznici im ne mogu nista dok Kina jednostavno radi istu stvar kao i USA. Edited September 25, 2021 by Krošek
Roger Sanchez Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Kanada nije ''osudila'' Princezu, bila je u ekstradicijskom pritvoru, a ćelija joj je bio vasceli Vancouver. Kina naravno da je uradila pametno, ali tu postoji određena asimetrija. Mislim da bi zapad™ morao uvesti zajednički zakon da je moguće uapsiti bilo koju količinu Kineza bilo gdje po proizvoljnoj osnovi, bez potrebe da se izigrava nekakav pravosudni postupak
borris_ Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Pa USA imaju taj zakon. Mogu da osude bilo koga, bilo gdje. A mogu da uhapse bilo koga bilo gdje. Mocu i da prisluskavaju za svoje ekonomske potrebe bilo koga bilo gdje. Ja sam morao da potpisujem potvrdu da nisam amerikanac u mojoj banci. Da Kinezi traze jednu takvu potvrdu izbio bi skandal. - - - 3 hours ago, Roger Sanchez said: Kanada nije ''osudila'' Princezu, bila je u ekstradicijskom pritvoru, a ćelija joj je bio vasceli Vancouver. Kina naravno da je uradila pametno, ali tu postoji određena asimetrija. Mislim da bi zapad™ morao uvesti zajednički zakon da je moguće uapsiti bilo koju količinu Kineza bilo gdje po proizvoljnoj osnovi, bez potrebe da se izigrava nekakav pravosudni postupak Dobro dosli smo do toga da ne treba da se zali jer nije mogla izaci oz Vancouvera koji je kao fensi grad. Ok Samo da ne bude zabune kada bih birao izmedju USA i Kine, izabrao bih ove prve. Ali ovi sto rade nije dobro ni za njih ni za njihove saveznike i na kraju za demokratiju.
Roger Sanchez Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, borris_ said: A mogu da uhapse bilo koga bilo gdje. Ko što rekoh, relativizacije i kinikizam čar su ovog foruma, ali dobro znaš da ovo jednostavno nije istina. Treba postojati sporazum o izručenju, tužitelji trebaju pokrenuti taj postupak, i najvažnije na kraju, sud mora prihvatiti da je optužba razumno osnovana. Kinezi se ne zamaraju puno s proceduralnim pravima i neovisnošću pravosuđa. 1
Krošek Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 Obaveštenje @prisutnima ▪ KR Neki postovi su obrisani. Natavite bez metadiskusije (sta je ko rekao i slicno). Nemojte govoriti o "kinikizmu" i pausalno o forumu u celini. Napomena (izvod iz pravila): "Komunikacija forumaša sa moderatorima treba da se odvija na jednom podforumu Zid Plača /na temi "Moderisanje i uređivanje foruma"; pitanja i komentarisanje rada mod tima dozvoljeni su samo na toj temi/"
Peter Fan Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 Far from a Lehman moment, the Evergrande crisis was a preemptive popping of a bubble – the sort of action that US authorities might have been wise to take in 2004 before the collapse of the US housing market nearly took down the global banking system. Chinese authorities won’t bail out Evergrande, which with nearly 2 trillion yuan (US $430 billion) in liabilities is the biggest source of risky real estate credit in the world. A 17% rise in Evergrande’s battered equity price in Hong Kong trading Thursday indicates that the company has a chance of survival in much-shrunken form – although without government help. The Chinese government will underwrite Evergrande’s existing obligations to home buyers, but nothing more. The Evergrande crisis will accomplish a set of objectives, senior Chinese officials told Asia Times. First, it will stop the growth of dangerous leverage in the property sector, an objective that Chinese regulators signaled in 2020 with “red lines” for developer leverage and curbs on lending to the property sector. “It’s dangerous to pop a bubble,” one official said, “but even more dangerous not to.” Second, it will bring down home prices, in keeping with the government’s theme of “common prosperity” and more equitable distribution of rewards. Soaring home prices, particularly in coastal cities and Beijing, have put home ownership outside the reach of lower-income Chinese. Third, it will suppress inflation by reducing speculative building and demand for iron, copper, cement and other raw materials. Fourth, it will help drain the political swamp in Chinese local governments, whose finances have depended on property sales. The cozy relationship between local officials and property developers encourages corruption and inhibits the central government’s efforts to modernize the tax system. “The real estate bubble arose through corruption,” one official commented. Fifth – and most important – it will shift capital allocation toward high-productivity industries like manufacturing and away from construction, an inherently low-productivity occupation. Evergrande bubble popped in time: no Lehman moment - Asia Times
Redoran Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 23 hours ago, radisa said: Dobro je sto Kina ovu dvojicu koristi kao politicke zatvorenike, a Kenez u Kanadi kad je uhapšen, to nikakve veze sa politikom nema... Eh, pa opšte je poznato da: ... pa shodno tome naš nezavisni sud hapsi isključivo po slovu zakona i bez bilo kakvog upliva politike, a njihov sud je režimski instrument za širenje agresivne ekspanzionističke politike. Ako se vratimo na čisto realan teren, Kina je iz ovoga naučila da se tante za kukuriku isplati, Amerika da uzimanje talaca radi u oba smera, a Kanada da je pametnije napustiti prostoriju kada slonovi odluče da unutra malo igraju fudbal. 8
vememah Posted October 4, 2021 Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) Quote Taiwan urged Beijing to stop “irresponsible provocative actions” after 56 Chinese warplanes crossed into its air defence zone on Monday in yet another record incursion. The defence ministry said it scrambled aircraft to broadcast warnings after 36 fighter jets, 12 H-6 nuclear-capable bombers and four other planes entered its southwest air defence identification zone (ADIZ). Four more fighters entered the zone in a night sortie, bringing the total to 56 planes, the ministry added. (...) The ADIZ is not the same as Taiwan’s territorial airspace but includes a far greater area that overlaps with part of China’s own air defence identification zone and even includes some of the mainland. (...) Under President Xi Jinping, Chinese warplanes are crossing into Taiwan’s ADIZ at an unprecedented rate. Last year a record 380 Chinese military jets made incursions into Taiwan’s defence zone, and the number this year as of early October has already exceeded 600. https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/china-sends-56-jets-into-taiwan-defence-zone-in-another-record-incursion/article?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_pCzspRq0DHh71fVunH1P8GWZU5APpZWJYUc_BBgrAus-1633379203-0-gqNtZGzNAnujcnBszQi9 Edited October 4, 2021 by vememah
levi Posted October 4, 2021 Posted October 4, 2021 On 26.9.2021. at 11:24, Redoran said: Kina = Kanada
duma Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 17 hours ago, levi said: Kina = Kanada Šta misliš kako bi SAD reagovale da neki kineski saveznik uhapsi ćerku direktora Cisca, jer Cisco nije poštovao sankcije koje je Kina uvela prema Tajvanu, ili kome već? Kina se u ovoj priči ne bije s Kanadom, već sa SAD. Kanada je istrčala ispred starijeg brata da se bije. Kao što obično biva to se završi loše po mlađeg brata. Zar ne?
Radoye Posted October 5, 2021 Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, duma said: Šta misliš kako bi SAD reagovale da neki kineski saveznik uhapsi ćerku direktora Cisca, jer Cisco nije poštovao sankcije koje je Kina uvela prema Tajvanu, ili kome već? Kina se u ovoj priči ne bije s Kanadom, već sa SAD. Kanada je istrčala ispred starijeg brata da se bije. Kao što obično biva to se završi loše po mlađeg brata. Zar ne? Kanada je ovde mogla samo da bira hoce li da je bije Kina koja je na drugom kontinentu ili stariji brat koji joj je odmah tu pored i koji je u datom trenutku vec pokazivao ozbiljne znakove ludila (narandzasti majmun mu usao u tenak). Postojale su cetiri opcije: prva, da se ignorise pristigla americka poternica i zahtev ekstradiciju finansijskog direktora Huawei (usput i cerke generalnog), sto bi bilo OK za Kineze ali bi maksimalno uzjebalo Trampa i najverovatnije dovelo do full ekonomskih sankcija - vec je u toku bio rat sa tarifama sa SAD; druga, da se ona uhapsi i bez procedure momentalno izruci SAD - sto bi bilo krsenje zakona sto domacih sto medjunarodnih i verovatno jos vise uzjebalo Kineze ali bi usrecilo Trampa; treca, da joj se uskrati gostoprimstvo i momentalno se protera nazad - sto bi opet uzjebalo Amere ali u manjoj meri nego opcija 1, a ni Kinezi ne bi bili bas presretni; i cetvrto, da se postupi prema zakonskoj proceduri kada postoji poternica & zahtev za ekstradiciju, sto je Kanada i uradila, i sto je opet uzjebalo Kineze. Nema tu mnogo prostora za nekakvo idealno resenje sa kojim bi svi bili zadovoljni, damned if you do, damned if you don't. 1
Peter Fan Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 Kitajski doprinos izgradnji dobrosusjedskih odnosa: Twitter
Peter Fan Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 China on verge of a solar power tipping point, study finds By 2060, the study found, China will have the capacity to meet 43 percent of its power needs with solar energy that costs less than 2.5 cents per kilowatt hour - less than half of China's 2019 price for coal energy, and less than a quarter the current average U.S. energy cost. One key accelerant of China's solar growth is the "cost of capital:" how much solar developers have to pay in interest or dividends to secure funding for new projects. This number plummeted 63 percent in China between 2011 and 2018, even as government subsidies fell away, researchers said. This fall was driven by the simultaneous development of photovoltaic (solar) power and battery storage technology in tandem with a growth of regulatory and technical know-how needed to integrate intermittent solar with electrical grids. Another key factor is political: For China, decarbonization is a clear and pressing problem, as its ongoing reliance on coal power leads to "severe air pollution" events that are currently slashing Chinese life expectancies. These political and economic changes have helped China shift away from coal power, though it still accounts for two-thirds of China's energy mix as the country's energy demands surged by 8.5 times between 1979 and 2019, the report found 1
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