Avionski udesi i nesreće

[vememah]

Zaboravio si na onaj pičvajz između Saudijaca i lokalnih saveznika i Katara.

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Since July 2017, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt have closed their airspace to Qatar Airways and Qatari-owned airlines.
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Since the blockade, flights that previously flew through the blockading countries’ airspace have left and arrived at Hamad International Airport via waypoints on the border between Bahraini and Iranian airspace. Flights for North Africa and Europe have had to fly over Iran, Iraq and Jordan. Longer flights to the north and west use Turkish airspace as well. Thus, the new routes have established Iran as an important partner of Qatar to ensure flight safety, and have boosted Iran’s air traffic by 20 per cent as well as its revenue from fees for using its airspace.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190325-the-aeropolitics-of-the-qatar-blockade-present-new-challenges/

Edited January 8, 2020 by vememah

[Tsai]

Znaci slucajno sam pao avion, a ovi nece da daju crnu kutiju

 

Seems legit

[189-]

jel neko odgovarao za onaj sruseni avion u ukrajini pre par godina?

[vememah]

16 minutes ago, Tsai said:

ovi nece da daju crnu kutiju

Amerikancima.

 

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Iran’s aviation authority said it would not hand over to Americans the recovered black boxes of a Boeing 737 that crashed today, killing all 176 passengers and crew.

“We will not give the black boxes to the manufacturer (Boeing) and the Americans,” Iran Civil Aviation Organisation head Ali Abedzadeh said, quoted by Mehr news agency.

“It’s not yet clear which country the black box will go to for the investigation,” he added.

Following the crash of Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 shortly after takeoff from Tehran today, Iran said it had recovered the Boeing 737’s two black boxes.
Abedzadeh said that based on global aviation rules, it was the right of the country where air crashes occur to carry out the investigation.

“This accident will be investigated by Iran’s aviation organisation but the Ukrainians can also be present during the incident’s investigation,” he added.

Under the rules of the International Civil Aviation Organisation, of which Iran, Ukraine and the United States are all members, air crash investigations are led by the country where the accident occurred.

However, according to aviation experts, the countries that are capable of analysing black boxes are few — notably Britain, France, Germany and the United States.

France’s Accident Investigation Bureau (BEA), which handles air crash investigations, said it had not received any request for help from the Iranian authorities after today’s crash.

 

https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/950211/iran-says-won’t-give-americans-crashed-plane’s-black-boxes

 

Ma po svoj prilici je oboren (smehotresno je iransko saopštenje da je u pitanju tehnički problem s motorom izdato cirka sat vremena posle pada iako tvrde da se pilot nije žalio tornju), ali to ne znači da je svaki "dokaz" koji neko objavi na internetu ispravan.

Edited January 8, 2020 by vememah

[Skyhighatrist]

43 minutes ago, vememah said:

Zaboravio si na onaj pičvajz između Saudijaca i lokalnih saveznika i Katara.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190325-the-aeropolitics-of-the-qatar-blockade-present-new-challenges/

Nisam imao pojma da je to na snazi, ludilo

[pbg12345]

jel to bese u ono vreme kad su trazili da ovi ugase al dzaziru ili tako nesto?

to je nekako brzo palo u zaborav

koliko je lud bliski istok, cak smo i mi balkanci amateri 

[dragance]

Došao sam do Singapura, leteli smo van Iraka i Irana, na sever, pa skrenuli preko Avganistana i Pakistana. 

[vememah]

^Jeste, to je ta kriza.

 

U međuvremenu su Saudijci, pošto od kopnene intervencije i instaliranja poslušne vlasti zbog Turske i Iranske podrške Kataru nije bilo ništa, smislili boldrikovski plan da učine Katar ostrvom tako što će prokopati kanal duž cele granice (Katar ima kopnenu granicu samo sa Saudijskom Arabijom, ali je ona sada pusta pošto su prelazi zatvoreni, a Katar svu robu uvozi brodovima i avionima) i da u malenom pojasu svoje teritorije koji ostane sa katarske strane uskladište nuklearni otpad.

 

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A Saudi official has hinted the kingdom was moving forward with a plan to dig a canal that would turn the neighbouring Qatari peninsula into an island, amid a diplomatic feud between the Gulf nations.

"I am impatiently waiting for details on the implementation of the Salwa island project, a great, historic project that will change the geography of the region," Saud al-Qahtani, a senior adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, said on Twitter.

The plan, which would physically separate the Qatari peninsula from the Saudi mainland, is the latest stress point in a 14-month long dispute between the two states.

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Egypt cut diplomatic and trade ties with Qatar in June 2017, accusing it of supporting terrorism and being too close to Riyadh's archrival, Iran -- charges Doha denies.

In April, the pro-government Sabq news website reported government plans to build a channel – 60 kilometres (38 miles) long and 200 metres wide –- stretching across the kingdom's border with Qatar.

Part of the canal, which would cost up to 2.8 billion riyals ($750 million), would be reserved for a planned nuclear waste facility, it said.

 

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/construction/403504-saudi-arabia-moving-forward-with-plan-to-dig-qatar-canal

 

 

Ova vest je iz septembra 2018, moguće je da su ipak na kraju tiho odustali pošto nigde ne nalazim informacije o napretku gradnje.

[Skyhighatrist]

58 minutes ago, vememah said:

da učine Katar ostrvom tako što će prokopati kanal duž cele granice i da u malenom pojasu svoje teritorije koji ostane sa katarske strane uskladište nuklearni otpad

Sunce ti jebem žareno...

[Filozof manijak]

Po mom laičkom mišljenju, Saudi su najveće zlo Bliskog Istoka, kakav Iran, kakvi bakrači.

 

 

Da ne pominjem one koji ih podržavaju zbog nafte 

[Ravanelli]

koga ne mrzi da pročita, odličan članak o bin zajedu (vučićevom velikom prijatelju)

zapravo ispada da je on možda i najbitnija politička figura u regionu

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/world/middleeast/crown-prince-mohammed-bin-zayed.html

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Ravanelli

[vememah]

Klin i ploča:

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The plane was only three years old, and had been serviced just before the crash, the airline said.

"It was one of the best planes we had, with an amazing, reliable crew," Ukraine International president Yevhen Dykhne said at a briefing. 

"Planes just don't blow up in midair," aviation consultant Richard Aboulafia told the New York Times. "It doesn't work like that."

"Airplanes don't just catch fire and have that fire spread like that in such a short period of time, unless there was an intentional act causing that fire and explosion," Jeffrey Guzzetti, who used to head the US Federal Aviation administration's accident investigation division, told Bloomberg.

Even with one engine taken out, 737s can still fly just fine. 

"Even a catastrophic engine failure would be highly unlikely to have such a dramatic effect on control of the aircraft," FlightGlobal's David Learmount told The Telegraph. "A 737 is capable of flying safely on just one of its two engines."

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/01/iran-plane-crash-experts-cast-doubt-technical-issue-behind-flight-752-crash.html

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But five security sources - three Americans, one European and one Canadian - who asked not to be named, told Reuters the initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies was that the plane had suffered a technical malfunction and had not been brought down by a missile. There was evidence one of the jet’s engines had overheated, the Canadian source said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash/ukrainian-boeing-737-crashes-after-take-off-in-iran-all-170-aboard-killed-idUSKBN1Z70EL

 

 

Justin Bronk, Royal United Services Institute (RUSI)'s Research Fellow for Airpower and Technology. Part-time PhD on historical airpower at KCL:

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A few thoughts on the missile theories circulating on the crash of #PS752 near Tehran: first and foremost, neither side in the US-Iranian standoff had any incentive to attack a Ukrainian airliner flying out of Tehran... the airliner was also filled with Iranian civilians. 1/
Assuming an accidental launch, here are some issues with the theory: Tehran airport is deep inside the country, not where you would expect any uninvited USAF guests to first be detected. Iran had no known airspace penetrations that night. 2/
#PS752 had just taken off from an Iranian airport, was being given a radar control service by Iranian ATC, and was transmitting transponder ident. The SA-15 missile fragment being spread around is fired by a modern system with datalinks and transponder receive capability. 3/
The airliner was on a climb out profile at medium altitude on a flight path that puts it on the opposite of a potential threat vector. So odds of an SA-15 crew misidentifying #PS752 as hostile even if operating completely as a stand-alone system are low. 4/
Finally, given Iran was in the middle of firing a volley of ballistic missiles at US bases, their whole air defence network will have been on high alert. ie. with senior commanders supervision, assets at top readiness and as connected as possible for max situational awareness 5/
None of which is intended to say that a SAM fired in error is impossible; maybe it was somehow. However, I would suggest it’s enough to assume an accident on board until air crash investigators get a good look at the wreckage and decide otherwise. 6/

 

https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1215229809581752322

Edited January 9, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

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In Washington, a Democrat who attended a classified briefing from Trump administration officials on Capitol Hill — including Defense Secretary Mark Esper, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and CIA Director Gina Haspel — said the briefers had no intelligence indicating the plane was shot down. The lawmaker spoke on condition of anonymity.

https://apnews.com/2a253e68d45381f16b89edc5cc45bba1

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[vememah]

Da, potvrđeno je da je većina putnika u Kijevu trebalo da presedne na avion za Kanadu. Praktično svi poginuli su bili poreklom Iranci i mnogi su imali dvojno državljanstvo zbog čega se brojevi državljana koje su objavili Iranci i Ukrajinci međusobno razlikuju.

https://www.flyuia.com/ua/en/news/2020/flight-ps752-passenger-list

 

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PS752 crash: Ukrainian experts examining Boeing wreckage in Iran say fire didn't start from engines

16:55, 09 January 2020

The team expects to gain access to air traffic control system radar data.

Members of the Ukrainian state commission investigating the crash of the Ukrainian Boeing 737 near Tehran, who had earlier arrived in Iran and have examined the plane wreckage.
The engine malfunction version cannot be confirmed, a Ukrainian journalist Yuriy Butusov said with reference to his source in the team.

"At present, our group has arrived at the site where the fragments of the aircraft are being transported. It is an open area where everything found in the area is being taken.

"Currently, I am observing both aircraft engines – and I don't see any traces of fire on them. Fragments of the right wing were brought here, too – there are also no traces of fire on them, so the version of engine malfunction, engine explosion, can't be confirmed at the moment. The plane was on fire, but the version of engine malfunction is not being confirmed," the source said.

He has added that Iranian officials provided preliminary information they had gathered. The plane took off at 06:13, but after five minutes into the flight, at an altitude of 2,400 meters, the plane began to descend, caught fire, and then crashed.

"According to Iranian flight control dispatchers, no messages were received from the aircraft crew. The plane allegedly turned back toward the airport, but we don't understand yet whether this U-turn was deliberate or already uncontrolled," he said.

At the same time, the Ukrainians have not seen air traffic control radar data. There is no information on objects that could be flying near the Boeing and collide with it, or if there was a missile launch. This information is yet to be provided to Ukrainians.

According to the source, the Iranians are fully cooperating in the investigation.

"The Iranians don't seem to be going to keep any info from anyone, they are going to provide access to the investigation and decryption of black box flight recorders to all parties, including Americans, aircraft manufacturers, as well as all countries whose citizens died, in accordance with the Chicago Convention... Iranians demonstrate normal dialogue, there are no signals that they intentionally seek to hide any information, so far everything is right and transparent enough," he said.

Butusov, in turn, suggests a fire could break in the cabin.

"The absence of any communications with the dispatcher and the absence of fire in the engines suggests that the version of a terrorist attack, a collision with a drone, or an anti-aircraft missile explosion is very likely," the journalist alleged.

 

https://www.unian.info/world/10823759-ps752-crash-ukrainian-experts-examining-boeing-wreckage-in-iran-say-fire-didn-t-start-from-engines.html

 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by vememah