Amerika, zemlja velika

[Gandalf]

6 minutes ago, porucnik vasic said:

Није био Епстајн у неком каунти затвору у Мисисипију, него у озбиљном затвору.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-mcc-suicide.html

We know that MCC was deemed “worse than Guantanamo” by someone who spent time in both facilities. We know that cells are infested with bugs and rats so big they’re “more like roommates” and that the temperature swings from unbearable heat to frigid cold. We know that inmates have not received adequate medical care, that a corrections officer was found guilty of raping an inmate, and that officials allegedly tried to cover up the fatal beating of another prisoner.
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We know the suicide rate in correctional facilities is far higher than the rate in the general public. And we know that jails and prisons are ill-equipped to address mental health issues even as they become our primary warehouses for mentally ill people. More than 2,000 prisoners at MCC and the federal jail in Brooklyn share a single full-time psychiatrist and just a handful of psychologists.

[Gandalf]

48 minutes ago, Budja said:

Zapravo, cela mainstream diskusija se vrti oko toga kako, eto, sada ima mnoooogo teorija zavera.

MSNBC je "mejnstrim"?

 

 

 

[Weenie Pooh]

2 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

MSNBC je "mejnstrim"?

 

Joy Ann Reid je težak idiot...

 

... ali čak ni ona ne lupeta kao tvoj drugar tviteraš sa prethodne strane.

[porucnik vasic]

5 hours ago, Gandalf said:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-mcc-suicide.html

We know that MCC was deemed “worse than Guantanamo” by someone who spent time in both facilities. We know that cells are infested with bugs and rats so big they’re “more like roommates” and that the temperature swings from unbearable heat to frigid cold. We know that inmates have not received adequate medical care, that a corrections officer was found guilty of raping an inmate, and that officials allegedly tried to cover up the fatal beating of another prisoner.
...
We know the suicide rate in correctional facilities is far higher than the rate in the general public. And we know that jails and prisons are ill-equipped to address mental health issues even as they become our primary warehouses for mentally ill people. More than 2,000 prisoners at MCC and the federal jail in Brooklyn share a single full-time psychiatrist and just a handful of psychologists.

Није бре Епстин био регурални Џо који је повалио пар клинки па да се зажмури на једно око. Човек је милијардер повезан са најмоћнијим људима света. Потпуна је будалаштина да такав човек може да пострада случајно, небригом стражара.

[Budja]

Vidim da kazu da su strazari bili preumorni od posla.

[Gandalf]

5 hours ago, porucnik vasic said:

Потпуна је будалаштина да такав човек може да пострада случајно, небригом стражара.

 

1 hour ago, Budja said:

Vidim da kazu da su strazari bili preumorni od posla.

 

Safety Concerns Grow as Inmates Are Guarded by Teachers and Secretaries

June 17, 2018

As the Trump administration has curtailed hiring in its quest to reduce the size of the government, some prisons are so pressed for guards that they regularly compel teachers, nurses, secretaries and other support staff to step in.

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When Mr. Guzmán, who twice escaped from Mexican prisons, was transferred to Manhattan in 2017, the number of workers in the wing, which can house about a half-dozen inmates, was increased to at least four people, including two correctional officers, according to three people with knowledge of the arrangement. But since early this year, they said, the wing has been routinely staffed by two people because of shortages. One is an officer — and sometimes that role is filled by support staff.

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Some correctional officers, who generally work eight-hour shifts, said they had been instructed to stay for a second shift, sometimes with only a few minutes’ notice. Some who refused were threatened with disciplinary action, including suspensions. In some instances, workers said, they got five or six hours of sleep before returning for another 16 hours of work.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Gandalf

[porucnik vasic]

Да ти нацртам још једном: Ово је био специјалан затвореник. Каквих има на престе једне руке у пар деценија. Можеш ти сад да оправдаваш његов убиц онолико, он није смео да буде сам у ћелији, морао је да има константан надзор и на крају крајева постељина је требала да буде од папира а не од тканине што је уобичајена процедура у ови случајевима. Превише има ту ствари које нису смеле да се догоде да би све било случајно.

[*edited by mod]

Oooo da. Da se tek tako zanemari lik koji je navodno vec pokusao samoubistvo i o kom izvetavaju svi mediji... How yes no.

[porucnik vasic]

Не разумеш се ти у то, ниси имао контакта са америчким државним службеницима.

[Gandalf]

39 minutes ago, porucnik vasic said:

Да ти нацртам још једном: Ово је био специјалан затвореник. Каквих има на престе једне руке у пар деценија.

El Chapo je bio pod tim režimom. Da ti čika objasni ko je El Chapo Guzman?

Edited August 13, 2019 by Gandalf

[Weenie Pooh]

All I wanna be is El Chapo. I šta kažeš, obesio se i on? 

 

Tvoja ključna greška ovde nije to što nadobudno umišljaš da si uhvatio boga za mošnice pa širiš mudrost neinformisanim budalama.

 

Greška je u tome što pokušavaš da dokažeš da nije nemoguće da se sve desilo sasvim slučajno, tj. praviš se da su zakulisne radnje default pretpostavka koju vizionarski potkopavaš alternativnom idejom da se možda čovek sam ubio zbog nemara, nekompetencije, i neispavanosti čuvara. Da je postavka zaista takva, imalo bi smisla trubiti "ne možete da dokažete sa 100% verovatnoćom da je neko naručio njegovu smrt".

 

Ali naravno, postavka je potpuno suprotna. Default situacija je ona u kojoj čuvari imaju nameru da paze na zatvorenika koji je pod visokim rizikom, ne skidaju ga sa suicide watch, ne isključuju kamere, itd. Default pretpostavka je da su mu sasvim slučajno dozvolili samoubistvo. Nju potkopava alternativna ideja da je čovek u pritvoru ubijen, kako se ne  bi rizikovalo da pred sudom iznese mračne tajne moćnika pedofila.

 

Dakle, default pretpostavka bi se mogla kritikovati tvrdnjom "nije 100% dokazano tačno". Alternativna pretpostavka prosto ne može, njoj je dovoljno da otkida procente od defaulta. U ovom slučaju je alternatina izuzetno ubedljiva, u sudu javnosti komotno prebacuje 50%... a spektakularno je glupo kritikovati je zbog toga što nije na 100%.

[Gandalf]

9 hours ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Default situacija je ona u kojoj čuvari imaju nameru da paze na zatvorenika koji je pod visokim rizikom, ne skidaju ga sa suicide watch, ne isključuju kamere, itd.

default situacija ti je da su u pitanju savesni, radni, i vredni ljudi.

 

imam jedan most u Bruklinu... cijena, prava stnica.

[Weenie Pooh]

Za pismene lepo piše: default situacija je da nisu uniformisane plaćene ubice. To što ti vitlaš idejom da su u pitanju lenji nesposobnjakovići pa se zato Epstin sam ubio je maestralan promašaj teme.

 

Nisi jedini, naravno. Evo šta je za Atlantic istrtljala spodoba po imenu Lindsay M. Hayes: Epstinovo samoubistvo, znate, u stvari ukazuje na nebrigu i javašluk u američkom zatvorskom sistemu, nikako na kriminalne radnje  Besramno ga kači na slučaj Sandre Blend, koju su pritvorili zbog saobraćajnog prekršaja, a tri dana kasnije je pronašli sa plastičnom kesom preko glave. Ubila se sama, niko je nije gurnuo, niko je nije terao da resist arrest...

 

Igrom slučaja, drug Lindzi je direktor izvesne NGO koja piše radove na temu loših uslova u kazneno-popravnim institucijama, a onda ih skupo prodaje advokatima koji brane bogate klijente...

 

 

Edited August 13, 2019 by Weenie Pooh

[porucnik vasic]

14 hours ago, Gandalf said:

El Chapo je bio pod tim režimom. Da ti čika objasni ko je El Chapo Guzman?

Наравно да нису под истим режимом. Ел Чапо је жив.

[vememah]

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Mr. Epstein was supposed to have been checked by the two guards in the protective housing unit every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not followed that night, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.

In addition, because Mr. Epstein may have tried to commit suicide three weeks earlier, he was supposed to have had another inmate in his cell, three officials said. But the jail had recently transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone, a decision that also violated the jail’s procedures, the two officials said.
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The federal Bureau of Prisons has already come under intense criticism for not keeping Mr. Epstein under a suicide watch after he had been found in his cell on July 23 with injuries that suggested he had tried to kill himself.

The law-enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation said that when the decision was made to remove Mr. Epstein from suicide watch, the jail informed the Justice Department that Mr. Epstein would have a cellmate and that a guard “would look into his cell” every 30 minutes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html

Edited August 13, 2019 by vememah