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[ObiW]

Nekako mi je Kuvajt sličnija analogija nego Krim. 

Jednom kad u jednacinu uvedes da su u svim tim drzavama Arapi i uporedis sa cinjenicom da su i na Krimu i u Rusiji Rusi, onda sve lakse ide...

 

edit: a to sto su Ameri isli da ponistavaju to pre 26 godina, e vidis to se promenilo od kad je dosao predsednik kome je Putin mentalno blizi nego bilo koji americki predsednik u prethodnih 26 godina...

Edited June 8, 2017 by ObiW

[Krošek]

 

Qatar crisis could spell new trouble for embattled Hamas

Doha’s major support of Gaza terror group called into question, threatening funds for housing, infrastructure, employment

 

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — Qatar, one of the few foreign backers of Hamas, faces massive pressure from its Gulf neighbors to cut ties with the Islamic group, considered a terror organization by most Gulf nations. If it does, the result could be disastrous for Hamas-ruled Gaza.

Qatar has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in roads, housing and a major hospital in the tiny territory. Its infrastructure projects are one of the few job-creators in a devastated economy.

Gaza already suffers from an Israeli-Egyptian blockade — imposed at the Israeli side to prevent the group from importing weaponry — widespread destruction from a string of Israel-Hamas wars, economic misery and chronic electricity shortages. For Hamas, Qatar’s money pumping into the economy is a vital lifeline bolstering its rule.

Qatar appears to be weighing its options. The mere prospect of losing Qatari support prompted Hamas on Wednesday to issue rare criticism of Saudi Arabia, which has been leading the campaign against its tiny Gulf neighbor.

In this Aug. 3, 2015 photo, Qatar Emir Sheik Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani waits for the arrival of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ahead of their meeting, at Diwan Palace in Doha, Qatar. (Brendan Smialowski/Pool Photo via AP)

Hamas official Mushir al-Masri said the Saudi call for Qatar to cut ties with the Palestinian organization is “regrettable” and contradicts traditional Arab support for the Palestinian cause. He accused Saudi Arabia of siding with “American and Zionist calls to put Hamas on the terrorism list.”

Saudi Arabia and three other Arab states cut ties with Qatar on Monday, accusing it of supporting violent Islamist terror groups across the region, including Hamas. Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said Qatar must sever its ties with Hamas.

Qatar has denied the allegations. But its small size and reliance on food imports from Saudi Arabia could make it susceptible to the pressure.

This could spell trouble for Hamas. The group — which openly calls for Israel’s destruction — is considered a terrorist organization by Israel and most of the West. Israel and Hamas have fought three cross-border wars that caused large-scale damage in Gaza.

Qatar doesn’t support Hamas directly, but its large-scale projects have significantly eased the burden on Hamas authorities and given it some credit for bringing this money to Gaza.

 

In 2012, Qatar’s then-emir, Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, visited Gaza, the first and only head of state to do so since Hamas seized control of Gaza from the forces of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas 10 years ago. The emir announced a grant of $407 million for humanitarian projects.

The grant is being used to build a housing complex of 3,000 units. Two phases of the project have been completed and families moved into their new houses in the complex, dubbed the Hamad Residential City in the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis.

Last month, Palestinian contractors and Qatari envoys signed deals to start the third and final phase of Hamad City. Now, those deals could be in question.

Using that grant, Qatar also built a specialist prosthetic center, the first of its kind in Gaza. Qatar paved roads, repaired or rebuilt mosques and oversaw dozens of other infrastructure projects.

In this Oct. 23, 2012 photo, then-Emir of Qatar Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, center right, and then Gaza’s Hamas Prime minister Ismail Haniyeh, third left, arrive for the corner-stone laying ceremony of a new center providing artificial limbs, in Bait Lahiya, northern Gaza Strip. (AP Photo/Ali Ali, Pool)

Following a 50-day war between Israel and Hamas in 2014, Qatar was the largest single donor to the reconstruction of Gaza, pledging $1 billion at a Cairo-hosted international conference.

So far, Qatar has delivered just $50 million of this pledge for rebuilding 1,000 houses.

Qatar also helped pay for fuel and electricity deliveries from neighboring Israel, which, despite its enmity to Hamas, supplies energy to Gaza for what it says are humanitarian reasons. But in an ominous sign for Hamas, Qatar stopped the energy payments for the past two months.

It is unclear whether the payments were halted under Arab pressure.

On Wednesday, bulldozers with Qatari flags were seen leveling land overlooking Gaza City’s coastal road. The spot is supposed to house the headquarters of Qatar’s Gaza reconstruction mission and a residence for an envoy.

In Hamad City, new shops and stores are opening, including a pharmacy named Qatar, barber shops and a video gaming cafe as more families move in. The complex is the largest in Gaza.

In this April 8, 2013 photo, Palestinians work on a Qatar-funded road in Gaza City. (AP Photo/ Hatem Moussa)

Wael al-Naqla, a contractor, has won a bid to build several buildings in the final phase. Thanks to Qatari money, he is one of the few businessmen who can hire workers in today’s Gaza.

“Without these projects, we would have been idled long time ago,” he said, voicing fears that the funding could soon dry up. “We are afraid I won’t be able to keep paying for my 20 workers and they will not be able to eat.”

The construction is one of the few bright spots in Gaza.

As the terror group marks its 10th anniversary in power, the situation is grim. The territory suffers from rolling power cuts, with just four hours of electricity at a time, followed by 14-18 hours of outages. Tap water is undrinkable, youth unemployment is estimated at 60 percent. Thousands wait for a rare chance to exit the blockaded territory.

Unable to offer a remedy, Hamas has jailed people who dare to criticize it. A new political program that Hamas hoped would mollify the West and Arab nations instead underscored its ideological rigidity. While softer in tone, the document reaffirmed a call to armed struggle and its goal of eliminating Israel.

Mkhaimar Abusada, an independent Gaza political analyst, said Qatari pressure could increase Hamas’ political and financial isolation.

This week, a high-level Hamas delegation was summoned to neighboring Egypt, which has had cool relations with Hamas. “If these talks don’t lead to new understandings getting Hamas out of its difficult political situation, I think there will be more crises,” he said.

One person who could benefit from Hamas’ troubles is Abbas, who has repeatedly failed in talks with Hamas to regain control of Gaza.

Abbas recently reduced the salaries of his former employees in Gaza and threatened to scale back payments for Gaza’s electricity — attempts to pressure Hamas. Abbas’ government, which maintains good ties with Qatar, has not commented on the latest crisis.

Chagai Tzuriel, the director general of Israel’s Intelligence Ministry, said Hamas’s many troubles have put it in a “strategic bind.”

“I think they are under greater pressure now than before,” he said.

 

 

[vememah]

Katar pokazao srednji prst.

 

Qatar says won't 'surrender' in row with fellow Gulf Arabs as U.S., Kuwait probe for solution

By Tom Finn | DOHA

Qatar said on Thursday fellow Arab states' move to isolate it in a row over alleged ties to terrorism is endangering stability in the oil-rich Gulf region but it was not ready to change its foreign policy to settle the dispute and would never compromise.

Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani spoke as would-be mediators ranging from U.S. President Donald Trump to Kuwait's ruling emir struggled to ease a crisis that Qataris say has led to a blockade of their nation.

"We have been isolated because we are successful and progressive. We are a platform for peace not terrorism ... This dispute is threatening the stability of the entire region," Sheikh Mohammed told reporters in Doha.

"We are not ready to surrender, and will never be ready to surrender, the independence of our foreign policy."

Sheikh Mohammed said Qatar had not yet been presented with a list of demands by countries that cut off diplomatic and transport links with it, but insisted the matter be solved peacefully. "There cannot ever be a military solution to this problem."

Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Egypt severed relations with Doha on Monday, accusing it of supporting Islamist militants and their arch-adversary Iran - charges Qatar calls baseless. Several other countries later followed suit.

Sheikh Mohammed said Iran had told Doha it was ready to help with securing food supplies in the emirate, an investment powerhouse and supplier of natural gas to world markets but tiny and reliant on imports.

Normally guarded about politics, Qataris expressed outrage.

"It is a blockade! Like that of Berlin. A declaration of war. A political, economic and social aggression," a Qatari diplomat said. "We need the world to condemn the aggressors."

Saudi Arabia's closure of Qatar's only land border sparked fears of major price hikes and food shortages for its population of 2.7 million people, with long queues forming as some supermarkets began running out of stock.

With supply chains disrupted and anxiety mounting about deepening economic turbulence, banks and firms in Gulf Arab states were seeking to keep business links to Qatar open and avoid a costly firesale of assets.

Turkey has brought forward a planned troop deployment to Qatar and pledged to provide food and water supplies to its Arab ally, which hosts a Turkish military base. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has said isolating Qatar would not resolve any problems.

The UAE's national postal service, Emirates Post Group, suspended all postal services to Qatar, state news agency WAM said, the latest in a series of measures degrading commercial and communications links with Doha.

The Abu Dhabi Petroleum Ports Authority also reimposed a ban on oil tankers linked to Qatar calling at ports in the UAE, reversing an earlier decision to ease restrictions and potentially creating a logjam of crude cargoes.

Trump initially took sides with the Saudi-led group before apparently being nudged into a more even-handed approach when U.S. defense officials renewed praise of Doha, mindful of the major U.S. military base hosted by Qatar that serves, in part, as a launchpad for strikes on Islamic State jihadists.

In his second intervention in the dispute in as many days, Trump urged action against terrorism in a call with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, a White House statement said, suggesting a meeting at the White House "if necessary".

It said that Trump, in a later call with Abu Dhabi's crown prince, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahayan, called for unity among Gulf Arabs "but never at the expense of eliminating funding for radical extremism or defeating terrorism".

Officials from Qatar and its Arab neighbors in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) were pursuing shuttle diplomacy, with the Qatari foreign minister due in Moscow and Brussels and Bahrain's king visiting his ally Egypt for talks on the crisis.

The Qatari ambassador to Washington, Meshal Hamad al-Thani, wrote on Twitter that a key pillar of Doha's foreign policy was mediation. "Open channels of communication means venues for conflict resolution," he said.

The foreign minister of Oman met Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, Kuwait's ruler, for talks. The Kuwaiti emir also went to the UAE and Qatar on Wednesday for more consultations.

But a diplomat in Kuwait briefed by foreign ministry officials said the emir's diplomacy had been about damage control and had yet to produce tangible results, with personality clashes playing a big role in the impasse.

"The feeling here is that it is going to take a while to fix. It is more about preventing things from getting worse ... Kuwait is trying to get everyone around the table and stop things from escalating further," the diplomat told Reuters.

SAUDIS SAY OUTSIDE MEDIATION UNWANTED

Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said Gulf states could resolve the dispute among themselves without outside help.

"We have not asked for mediation, we believe this issue can be dealt with among the states of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC)," he told a news conference on Wednesday during a visit to Berlin, broadcast on Saudi state television.

In an interview with BBC radio, UAE Ambassador to Russia Omar Saif Ghobash said Qatar had to choose between supporting extremism or supporting its neighbors.

"We have all kinds of recordings taking place where they (Qatar) are coordinating with al Qaeda in Syria," he said.

"Qatar needs to decide: Do you want to be in the pocket of Turkey, Iran and Islamic extremists? They need to make a decision; they can't have it both ways.

The Saudi newspaper al Watan published what it called a list of eight "extremist organizations" seen as working to destabilize the region from Qatar, including Qatar's al Jazeera news channel, that were targeted by Gulf Arab states.

State-funded al Jazeera's acting director general, Mostefa Souag, dismissed accusations that its reportage is pro-Islamist and amounts to meddling in the affairs of other Arab states. "We don't interfere in anybody’s business, we just report," he told Reuters in an interview at Al Jazeera's Doha headquarters.

"If we bring in guests who are opposing certain governments, does that mean we are interfering in the countries' business? No. Al Jazeera’s editorial policy is going to continue the same regardless of what happens with this event."

Jubeir declined to confirm a list of 10 demands published by Al Jazeera, which included shutting down the widely watched, Doha-based satellite network. But he added that Qatar knew what it needed to do to restore normal relations.

Qatar has backed Islamist movements but vehemently denies supporting terrorism. It provides a haven to anti-Western groups such as the Afghan Taliban, Palestinian Hamas and Algeria’s Islamic Salvation Front. Qatar says it does not accept its neighbors' view that any group with an Islamist background is terrorist. Qatar's emir has said such a view is a big mistake.

In an interview published by Saudi-owned Asharq al Awsat newspaper, Bahraini Sheikh Khalid bin Ahmed al-Khalifa laid out conditions for a resolution of the crisis.

"NUMBER ONE ENEMY IRAN"

"Qatar has to redress its path and has to go back to all previous commitments, it has to stop media campaigns and has to distance itself from our number one enemy Iran," Sheikh Khalid said.

In a sign of the economic damage from the dispute, Standard & Poor's downgraded Qatar's debt on Wednesday as the country's riyal currency fell to an 11-year low amid signs that portfolio investment funds were flowing out because of the rift.

Regional tensions have been aggravated by the worst dispute for years among Gulf Arabs and were ratcheted up further on Wednesday after militants attacked targets in Tehran, killing at least 12 people.

Shi'ite Muslim Iran blamed Sunni Muslim arch-rival Saudi Arabia for the attack, which was claimed by the Sunni Islamic State. Riyadh denied any involvement.

(Additional reporting by Reem Shamseddine, Aziz El Yaakoubi, Sylvia Westall, Sami Aboudi and Andrew Torchia, Writing by William Maclean, Editing by Mark Heinrich)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gulf-qatar-idUSKBN18Z1C9?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Edited June 8, 2017 by vememah

[dillinger]

To je i meni palo na pamet, ali reko da ne spekulisem. Videcemo kako se odvija, ali ovo moze mnogo mracna strategija da bude na delu. 

 

Ali svejedno - ne mozes da dopustis da strada drzava koja je dopustila da u njoj instaliras svoju najvecu bazu u regionu. To je stravican udarac prestizu i autoritetu. 

 

 

Kako se uzme. Recimo ovim će Saudija i Izrael povratiti poverenje u velikog brata, poljuljano tokom Obaminog mandata. 

[dillinger]

Jednom kad u jednacinu uvedes da su u svim tim drzavama Arapi i uporedis sa cinjenicom da su i na Krimu i u Rusiji Rusi, onda sve lakse ide...

 

 

 

A koja etnička grupa je na Kosovu, Kosovari?

[MancMellow]

Kako se uzme. Recimo ovim će Saudija i Izrael povratiti poverenje u velikog brata, poljuljano tokom Obaminog mandata. 

 

Ma dobro to, ali ovo je too much. Al ok videćemo kako se razvija

[dillinger]

Ma dobro to, ali ovo je too much. Al ok videćemo kako se razvija

 

Too much sa te pravedničke & legalističke strane ali prethodnih 5 god na BI su obeležili jačanje iranskog uticaja i pogolem frust Arapa i Izraelaca zbog toga. Posledično je došlo i do slabljenja poverenja u US a vakuum su iskoristili i Rusi da se pozicioniraju tamo gde ih nije uopšte bilo.

 

Ovakvim razvojem situacije se to (verovatno) menja.

[ObiW]

A koja etnička grupa je na Kosovu, Kosovari?

Rekli smo da je  u slucaju Kosova odvajanje a ne aneksija, te zato nije primenjivo na slucaj Rusija/Krim i Sudijska Arabija/Katar.

[radisa]

Rekli smo da je  u slucaju Kosova odvajanje a ne aneksija, te zato nije primenjivo na slucaj Rusija/Krim i Sudijska Arabija/Katar.

Pre na UAE/Qatar, jer Qatar je srce UAE... :D

[Eraserhead]

Rekli smo da je u slucaju Kosova odvajanje a ne aneksija, te zato nije primenjivo na slucaj Rusija/Krim i Sudijska Arabija/Katar.

Ocigledno je da je Kosovo trebalo da zauzme Albanija. Onda bi sve bilo ok.

[dillinger]

Pa vidite, u Kataru neće biti ni referenduma kao što ga je bilo npr na Krimu. Svako sledeće kršenje međunarodnog prava je očekivano brutalnije.

Al zna se de je sve počelo.

[MancMellow]

Too much sa te pravedničke & legalističke strane ali prethodnih 5 god na BI su obeležili jačanje iranskog uticaja i pogolem frust Arapa i Izraelaca zbog toga. Posledično je došlo i do slabljenja poverenja u US a vakuum su iskoristili i Rusi da se pozicioniraju tamo gde ih nije uopšte bilo.

 

Ovakvim razvojem situacije se to (verovatno) menja.

 

Ponovo - najveca US baza u regionu. Ne govorim ovde o sankcijama, itsl. Govorim ako se desi napad ili aneksija. 

[MancMellow]

Pa vidite, u Kataru neće biti ni referenduma kao što ga je bilo npr na Krimu. Svako sledeće kršenje međunarodnog prava je očekivano brutalnije.

Al zna se de je sve počelo.

 

US anektirala Kosovo? Albanija? Neko treci?

[dillinger]

US anektirala Kosovo? Albanija? Neko treci?

 

Ne, već je ta teritorija protivno svim normama(sem onih humanitarno-intervencionističkih razume se) oduzeta Srbiji, remember? 

Edited June 8, 2017 by dillinger

[MancMellow]

Ne, već je ta teritorija protivno svim normama(sem onih humanitarno-intervencionističkih razume se) oduzeta Srbiji, remember? 

 

Ali to prosto nije isto. Da ne pričam da to kako se došlo do toga nema ama baš nikakve veze čak ni sa Krimom, a eventualno sa Katarom baš nikakve. Ništa nije "počelo" ni sa Kosovom ni sa Krimom. Takve stvari se dešavaju od pamtiveka.