Svetska Kriza 2008-....

[Indy]

Budimo ljudi i ako smo beli medvedi... Ja upravo karikiram da ukazem na preteranu rastegljivost tih analogija (i statistika tipa pola jede kupus, pola jede meso u proseku svi jedu sarmu) na koje se noskich bacio u ovom topiku.

[palikaris]

prag apsolutnog siromaštva je 1$ dnevno po osobi, preko 3$ već nije problematično po un- ove cifre 1-2-3 $ su moguće za preživljavanje u africi ili aziji za ljude koji žive u improvizovanim skloništima, bez komunalne infrastrukture, bez struje, bez potrebe da se greju preko zime ili da kupuju odeću i obuću za zimukod nas je npr

e sad, bez potrebe za strujom i infrastrukturom. u tome i jeste problem, sto u razvijenim zemljama, a srbija je po infrastrukturi ipak jedna od njih, infrstruktura, javni prevoz, kola, kuce, grejanje, hladjenje i ostalo se smatra osnovnom potrebom. i na kraju se sve svodi na to da nekih mozda milijardu - milijardu i po ljudi konzumira sve svetske resurse (vodu, sume, naftu, ugalj, rude, kurce palce) a ostalih 5,5-6 milijardi nista. las vegas poprdi dnevno struje na reklame i lampice koliko cela afrika za godinu dana. mogli bio oni (razvijene zemlje) bar malo da se stisnu, a da afrikanci i indusi imaju bar sporet u kuci.edit: i da, romi kod nas zive sa tih 1-2-3 dolara dnevno. nije samo afrika i azija. Edited May 9, 2013 by palikaris

[noskich]

Budimo ljudi i ako smo beli medvedi... Ja upravo karikiram da ukazem na preteranu rastegljivost tih analogija (i statistika tipa pola jede kupus, pola jede meso u proseku svi jedu sarmu) na koje se noskich bacio u ovom topiku.

Nema tu rastegljivosti ni relativizacije. Koncentracija bogatstva je tolika da bilo kakva statistika (ako su cifre tacne) ne moze da je zabashuri. Toliko je ekstremna.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Distribution_of_Wealth_v3.jpg Edited May 10, 2013 by noskich

[noskich]

Ovo treba da se procita: http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/Price_of_Offshore_Revisited_120722.pdfStrane 5 i 6.We have focused on a subgroup of 139 mainly low-­‐middle income ??source?? countries3for which the World Bank and IMF have sufficient external debt data.Our estimates for this group underscore how misleading it is to regard countries as??debtors?? only by looking at one side of their balance sheets.Since the 1970s, with eager (and often aggressive and illegal) assistance from theinternational private banking industry, it appears that private elites in this sub-­‐group of139 countries had accumulated $7.3 to $9.3 trillion of unrecorded offshore wealth in2010, conservatively estimated, even while many of their public sectors were borrowing themselves into bankruptcy, enduring agonizing ??structural adjustment?? and lowgrowth, and holding fire sales of public assets.These same source countries had aggregate gross external debt of $4.08 trillion in 2010.However, once we subtract these countries?? foreign reserves, most of which areinvested in First World securities, their aggregate net external debts were minus $2.8trillion in 2010. (This dramatic picture has been increasing steadily since 1998, the yearwhen the external debts minus foreign reserves was at its peak for these 139 countries,at +$1.43 trillion.4)So in total, by way of the offshore system, these supposedly indebted ??sourcecountries?? ?? including all key developing countries ?? are not debtors at all: they are netlenders, to the tune of $10.1 to $13.1 trillion at end-­‐2010.The problem here is that the assets of these countries are held by a small number ofwealthy individuals while the debts are shouldered by the ordinary people of thesecountries through their governments.Ukratko: opljackam sta god mogu iz javnih fondova, onda to sve lepo ulozim kod mojih pajtasa bankara koji zatim taj ukradeni novac posude tim istim javnim fondovima. Tako je raja dvostruko opljackana, prvo joj je uzeto iz dzepa, a zatim joj je taj isti prethodno njen novac pozajmljen i sada placa kamatu na njega.I naravno sve vreme raja je oporezovana dok sam ja zasticen stitom entiteta sa ogranicenom odgovornoscu i uvek imam rupe u zakonu kroz koje se provlacim: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/28/business/Double-Irish-With-A-Dutch-Sandwich.html?_r=0

Edited May 10, 2013 by noskich

[brusli]

Vreme je za revoluciju:http://komunist.free.fr/dokumenta/internacionala.html

[noskich]

Vreme je za revoluciju:http://komunist.free...rnacionala.html

Ne treba ponavljati istorijske greske. Revolucija moze biti bottom up. Bojkot banaka, bojkot konzumerizma, bojkot zaposlenja 9-5. Da se to masovno radi i da nema ko da im uzima kredite kako bi kupovali gomile nepotrebnih stvari i robovali za hipoteku banksterizam bi pao sam od sebe. Obicni ljudi su ti koji taj sistem odrzavaju svojim svakodnevnim zivotom. Odes na posao, kupis kafu, cigarete, sendvic za uzinu, benzin, parking... To je ono sto kotrlja sistem. Ako zivis klasicnim zivotom duvas mu u ledja. Edited May 10, 2013 by noskich

[palikaris]

Samoupravljanje u Grčkoj

Aiming to establish worker’s control over factories and the whole of production and to organize the economy and society that we desire, a society without bosses!It’s Vio.Me.’s time. Let’s get to work!Paving the way for workers’ self-management everywhere!Paving the way for a society without bosses!

[noskich]

Postoji veliki broj preduzeca koja su u 100%-om vlasnistvu radnika i koja opstaju na trzistu bez problema.Savet odlucuje o buducnosti preduzeca. Nema radnog vremena, radi kad ko hoce i koliko mu odgovara. Tako je rad efektivan, a ne sedis 8 sati u kancelariji da bi odradio dva sata.Ako je neko neradan i neodgovaran sporazumno se otpusta jer se zarada deli izmedju radnika pa niko ne zeli takve.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sug7bWxTuSohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyP1tR45qUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww9VZkavChg

[noskich]

Problem sa korporativizmom i plutokratijom je sto nikoga ne ostavlja na miru, tezi da bude sveprisutna i svepenetrirajuca.Sve vise novca, sve vise moci i kontrole. Ko god nece da se uhvati u to kolo je neprijatelj i ima da bude zbrisan sa lica zemlje (axes of evil).Sasvim ocigledno sistem tezi totalitarizmu. Il` si sa nama il` si protiv nas. Danas jedina garancija da ne budes zgnjecen je atomska bomba (Iran i DPRK).

[Indy]

Nema tu rastegljivosti ni relativizacije.

Ma kako si ti samo lepo ubedjen u to... nema sa tobom diskusije, ti si ovde dosao da demonstriras 1 znanje. Tebi treba blog, a ne forum.Evo vidis kako lepo funkcionisu te zemlje koje ti imas obicaj da hvalises ovde. Sta god kukali o nasoj Australiji, barem se ne stidim da sam perem svoje sudove. Edited May 13, 2013 by Indy

[noskich]

Hvalio sam princip po kome zemlja dosledno ne izrucuje svoje gradjane drugim zemljama i drugi princip da zahtevaju vize po reciprocitetu - ti trazis nasim gradjanima vizu da udju kod tebe - mi trazimo tebi isto. U tom aspektu medjunarodnih odnosa rec je o zemlji koja stiti interese svojih gradjana i ne saginje se kad Uncle Sam malo podvikne. A ovo sto si postovao je potpuno druga tema. Nisam nikada ni tvrdio da je rec o savrsenoj zemlji.Nadji bilo kakvu statistiku o distribuciji bogatstva i videces istu stvar, sa jedne strane ogroman jaz izmedju razvijenih i nerazvijenih (jedna petina trosi cetiri petine resursa) i sa druge strane na nivou drzava jos gori unutrasnji jaz (1% u US poseduje 35% bogatstva, u Kini jos gore). Tih 1% narocito voli relativizacije i razvodnjavanja i tu pricu da je svako gospodar svoje sudbine, da svako moze da postane novi Voren Bafet prema tome takva distribucija bogatstva je opravdana i mi smo svi jednaki.Svima prema zasluzi, sve posteno. Besklasno drustvo bre. Svi imamo isto pravo glasa, svi placamo porez, svi mozemo da uspemo samo da se malo potrudimo.Land of the free.

Edited May 14, 2013 by noskich

[noskich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bD7U8kqI8A

[Indy]

Dobar onaj pro-kapitalisticki argument, treba svako da ima jednaku sansu da bude razmotren za posao, da bi se tako istinski najsposobniji popeli na vrh.

[noskich]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-03/guest-post-playing-financial-chicken-your-golden-yearsDobar tekst o poziciji u kojoj se nalaze danas oni koji imaju neku ustedjevinu ili neprevelik kapital i ne znaju sta da rade sa njim.Dodeljen nam je `tropa` spil karata.

[noskich]

Svaka cast Comskom kako je sve objasnio jos 90-ih: http://ouh.es/ebooks...l Ambitions.pdfLet's shift gears, and talk about the economics of empire. TheU.S. dollar is weak now, government deficits are up, individualconsumer debt is up, credit-card interest rates are rising, personalsavings rates are at all-time lows, and foreign investorsare financing the U.S. debt by buying Treasury securities. Howlong can this be sustained?We don't really know. Actually, the debt situation is complicated.Household debt is out of sight, but corporatedebt is very low. In fact, corporations are making hugeprofits. That's part of the shift in the way economic planningis carried out, to benefit the superrich and the corporationsand to harm the general population. In fact, theratio of taxed income to gross domestic product is close toan all-time low, and it's skewed toward the general public,much more so than before. Corporations barely paytaxes. The corporate tax rate is already very low, but corporationshave worked out an array of complicated techniquesso they often don't have to pay taxes at all.To give you an example, in the mid-1990s there was alot of excitement about so-called emerging markets inLatin America. Out of curiosity, I started to read U.S. Departmentof Commerce reports about foreign direct investment(FDI) in Latin America. It turns out that foreigndirect investment in Latin America did surge during the mid-1990s, but the composition of it was extremely interesting.Consistently about 25 percent of FDI was going toBermuda, around 15 percent was going to the BritishCayman Islands, and about 10 percent to Panama. That'sroughly 50 percent of what they're calling foreign directinvestment, and it certainly was not going to build steelplants. This was just money flowing into various taxhavens. Most of the rest was going for mergers and acquisitionsand so on. These are huge sums. The scale of sheerrobbery by corporate power is enormous.In any event, corporations and rich people barely paytaxes, so they're doing fine. But the general populationhas gone through thirty years of either stagnation or declinein real wages, with people working longer hourswith fewer benefits. I don't think there's been a periodlike this in American history.The United States is still a very rich country. It's gotenormous advantages, of scale, resources, anything youcan think of. But it's being subjected to domestic policiesthat are frightening. Conservative economists are tearingtheir hair out watching the Bush administration purposelydrive the country into incredible debt. The idea ofthe Bush administration is to transfer costs to future generations.That's basically their plan. Their values are toserve the rich and the powerful, and to transfer the costs to the general population in the future generations. Whenyou talk about their "moral values," that's what they are.