Trump - hoće li biti impeachment ili 8 godina drugačijeg predsednikovanja?

[borris_]

Radi Trump-a. To je podatak za 2017 kada je ovaj izabran.

[Weenie Pooh]

Mda, radi Trampa a ne radi činjenice da više Rusa sanjari o novom životu u obećanoj zemlji negoli Holanđana ili Nemaca.

[namenski]

4 hours ago, dillinger said:

...apsolutno fali Evropi 1 jak narativ borbe sa spoljnim neprijateljem čime bi se postiglo jedinstvo svake vrste.

Iz tvojih usta u bozje usi, ali se bojim da u modernoj Evropi od toga ne bi bilo nista: iole ozbiljna pretnja - bez nagadjanja o njenoj prirodi, ali u svakom slucaju od ekonomije do malo verovatne vojne pretnje - razbila bi Evropu na nacionalne drzave, probudila samo kao bajagi zaboravljene nacionalne i nacionalisticke mehanizme, i mozda, samo mozda, dovela do stvaranja manjih evropskih koalicija po potrebi i u zavisnosti od prirode pretnje.

Evropa je prokockala sansu za sustinsko ujedinjenje i kao viziju, a kamoli kao konkretan poduhvat: danasnji potencijalni neprijatelji imaju i sredstava, a i znanja zasnovanog na bogatom istorijskom iskustvu da u slucaju potrebe, krize, bace kosku, dodatno razjedine Evropu, potenciraju postojece razlike i suprotnosti interesa.

1 znacajna kriza je prohujala kako-tako bez posledica i uljuljkala mediokritete od evropskih vodja u laznu sigurnost: Grcka i Italija su i dalje tempirane bombe, a bice da nema potrebe mnogo se domisljati koliko bi ekspresno evropske velesile reagovale na moguci ekonomski krah i koliko brzo bi se - samo primera radi - iz nekih bunkera pojavila stara dobra Deutsche Mark...

Evropa ne resava ni jedan od svojih sustinskih problema: pored ekonomskih, pa i problema potrebe za jacim povezivanjem, Balkan, tradicionalno evropsko bure baruta koje to jos uvek jeste, resava se nojevskim metodama i podrzavanjem i odrzavanjem fikcije drzava monstruma ciji je - po Evropi - glavni problem hoce li i kada ce u EU, sa sve trckaranjem evro birokrata i pricanjem praznih prica.

Dozvolila je, tacnije propustila mozda poslednju priliku da evropeizuje^tm Rusiju, dozvolivsi sebi da udje, tacnije bude gurnuta u potpuno nepotrebnu konfrontaciju, dala primat politici u odnosu na ekonomiju koja se dokazala kao najbolje sredstvo za stimulaciju ujedinjenja i ucvrscivanja veza: podredila je ruske interese, legitimne ma ko bio na vlasti u Kremlju, interesima malih istocnoevropskih drzava ciji su animoziteti prema Rusiji vodjeni istorijskim i nacionalistickim sentimentima, a ne stvarnom ruskom pretnjom, dozvolila da je Amerika uvuce u suludo blesavu pricu o antiraketnim stitovima sa sve instaliranjem postrojenja u Poljskoj i Rumuniji...

Zmuri na bujanje nacinalizama i rezima poput Madjarskog i ostalih, a pritom je razdvojila sopstvenu bezbednost koju je poverila NATO-u u kome nema glavnu rec, naprotiv, od sopstvenih realnih mogucnosti da se sama odbrambeno/vojno organizuje.

Jednom recju, jebala bi se, a da joj ne udje, nadajuci se pritom da ce idila - ciji se kraj nazire - trajati doveka.

[borris_]

Pozitivno mišljenje o Americi u Rusiji je skočilo sa 15% (2015.) na 41% (2017.). 

[Weenie Pooh]

A pre toga je bilo na 51% (2013.), 52% (2012.), 56% (2011.), 57% (2010)... je li i za to zaslužan Trump?

[Budja]

2 hours ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Mda, radi Trampa a ne radi činjenice da više Rusa sanjari o novom životu u obećanoj zemlji negoli Holanđana ili Nemaca.

 

Mrzelo te da otvoris link, je l da?

Ima tamo nekih vremenskih serija.

 

Inace, ova istrazivanja jesu sranje jer hvataju trenutni sentiment i jako su ciklicna. Tesko da se iz toga nesto moze izvuci.

[Weenie Pooh]

Vidi gore - ako je nešto outlier onda je to tih 15% 2015. Ne mora se tražiti posebno objašnjenje za tramptastičnih 41% ako je gomila prethodnih rezultata oko 50%.

 

 A istraživanje jeste besmislica, samo sebi svrha bez ikakvih eksterno primenjivih zaključaka.

[theanswer]

dajte ljudi, polsteri i sva istraživanja živa u SAD su promašili pobedu trampa u ključnim državama iako su ih radili danonoćno i iako su ih radile gomile različitih kompanija, promašili su brexit totalno u UK i sad treba da se raspravljamo o nekim istraživanjima u drugim državama gde polling industrija nije ni deseti deo razvijena ko u ovim gore

[mustang]

a mene niko nije zvao 

[namenski]

 

[Budja]

5 hours ago, namenski said:

 

 

Vrlo pojednostavljeno.

 

Obama s signature je svakako potreban ali ne i dovoljan uslov. Da je samo Obama u pitanju, ne bi se neocons i Bibi toliko upinjali da ode taj sporazum.

[ObiW]

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Trump cancels Singapore summit in letter to Kim Jong Un

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North Korea warns of nuclear showdown, calls Pence 'political dummy'

Da se podsetimo kako je pre 2 meseca PPP docekao vest da ce Tramp i debeli da se sretnu u maju:

On 8.3.2018. at 18:35, theanswer said:

nego, šta je surpotno od nuklearnog rata pod Trampom?

 

niokoni, jeste razočarani?

 

On 8.3.2018. at 19:11, ObiW said:

O Trampu pricamo? O onom Trampu sto ujutro twituje jedno a popodne kaze nesto sasvim drugo?

 

Polako, daleko je maj. 

[Budja]

1 hour ago, ObiW said:

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Da se podsetimo kako je pre 2 meseca PPP docekao vest da ce Tramp i debeli da se sretnu u maju:

 

 

 

 

Ovaj, nisi li primetio sta se sve u medjuvremenu dogodilo?

Ono, sastanak na liniji, novinari, i sl...

Ovo je pranje obraza i, zastita ortaka Pensa i nista vise od toga.

 

 

Sa druge strane, tendencija ka Iranu je opasna.

[ObiW]

2 hours ago, Budja said:

 

 

 

Ovaj, nisi li primetio sta se sve u medjuvremenu dogodilo?

Ono, sastanak na liniji, novinari, i sl...

Ovo je pranje obraza i, zastita ortaka Pensa i nista vise od toga.

 

Tebi i dalje nije jasno sta se dogodilo? Evo ti da se obrazujes:

 

As a New York real estate promoter, Trump habitually made outlandish statements and proposed projects he could never deliver. In one case he was going to build the tallest building in America on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. In another he insisted the big convention center named after longtime Sen. Jacob Javits of New York be named after his father, Fred Trump. Neither folly came to pass.

 

Trump's methods worked when there was little more than a property development or the next day's headlines at stake. But as he approached North Korea with the same technique, it became obvious he was out of his depth. As other parties manipulated him, Trump looked like the monkey-in-the-middle in a game of keep-away played in a schoolyard.

 

First the North Koreans, who had obviously made a deep study of Trump, provoked him with nuclear tests and missile launches. Going further than they had ever gone before, they were able to goad a gullible Trump into juvenile taunts and threats of "fire and fury". This behavior appalled people around the world and made Trump into an outlier in the diplomatic realm.

 

Having captured Trump's attention, the North Koreans then played their hand perfectly, courting the South Koreans and demonstrating to the world at the Winter Olympics that they could be warm-hearted members of the international community. Thus lulled into over-confidence, Trump made what he must have believed to be a brilliant overture for peace talks that would finally give Kim the legitimacy he craved. To seal the plan, he even sent Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to Pyongyang.

 

As Trump took crude steps toward the North Koreans, he alienated China with threats of a trade war. He also invited super hawk John Bolton into the White House as his national security adviser. Joining the crowd that intended to play Trump for their own purposes, Bolton immediately talked of how Kim could have the same experience as Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, who gave up his nuclear weapons program only to be hunted down and killed during the Arab Spring.

 

It was Bolton's theme that Pence took up. When he reiterated it, the North Koreans decided enough was enough. They called Pence's remark "ignorant and stupid," and then Trump responded with his cancellation letter. It reads like a note sent to a potential business partner at the end of a broken partnership. It concludes: "If you change your mind having to do with this most important summit, please do not hesitate to call me or write. The world, and North Korea in particular, has lost a great opportunity for lasting peace and great prosperity and wealth. This missed opportunity is a truly sad moment in history."

 

Trumpian in every way, the letter caps many months of amateurish effort and seems to indicate a man looking for an easy way out of finishing a job he was never prepared to do. Bolton and Pence got what they wanted by tying Trump to a hawkish approach. Kim got what he wanted by showing he could stand toe-to-toe with the American President and be recognized as a true leader. The South Koreans who tried to broker the summit demonstrated to their people they were working for peace, and China showed the world it could nudge Kim into a less belligerent posture.

 

Who lost? That's easy. Peace-loving people all over the world lost a chance at progress and Trump lost his shot at the Nobel.

[pacey defender]

11 hours ago, namenski said:

 

Hehe, ladno Šešelj.