Trump - hoće li biti impeachment ili 8 godina drugačijeg predsednikovanja?

[Eraserhead]

 

 

Za razliku od većine ranijih predsednika SAD, ovom trenutnom prete i opozicija i vrlo izraženi bočni udari unutar GOP-a.  Što se tiče GOP-a,senatori na putu u penziju (Corker i McCain) su najglasnije protiv Trumpa, što bi takođe trebalo nešto da nam kaže o kvalitetu sistema tamo. Istovremeno je i opozicija rascepljena - rukovodim se interesantnim long read na the Guardian koji strane provizorno definiše kao populist left and establishment left, ali cenim da je autor dobro postavio osnovne linije podele i tabora koje su na prethodnim primaries simbolizovali Hilari i Sanders.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/26/the-liberal-left-divide-reshaping-american-politics

 

Tako da, ovaj topik neminovno mora da sadrži rasprave o alternativi. Slažem se da je Tramp sada najveća pretnja, ne samo po lokalno stanovništvo nego i za ostatak sveta. Ali jebiga, ta okolnost zaista ne mora da obaveže niti jednog parapsihopatologa da se fokusira samo na Trampa i njegovu vladavinu, budući da na nju ( i njenu promenu) ima uticaja koliko i na ishod izbora u Somalilendu za nedelju dana. 

 

Dok je prica o Hilari u kontekstu izbora imala smisla kada se pricalo o trampu, danas pricati na ovom topicu o Hilari nema nikakvu drugu svrhu osim da se skrene paznja sa cinjenice da je na vlasti fash ekipa sa potpunim bolesnikom na celu. Price o alternativi su sasvim drugo ali se ovde ne radi o tome.

 

Jednostavno cak i uzasna Hilari je bila daleko bolji izbor od fasista i psihopata i ko to nije tada video je putpuna retardirana budaletina i nista manje od toga. Sto se mene tice tu se sva prica na ovu temu zavrsava. Njene predsednicke aspiracije su na srecu proslost i treba pricati o onome sto se sada desava.

[Lord Protector]

Bannon: George W. Bush Was ‘Single Most Destructive President in U.S. History, Including James Buchanan’

 

PAUL J. RICHARDS/AFP/Getty Images

by JOHN HAYWARD 6 Nov 2017

 

On Breitbart News Sunday with SiriusXM hosts Joel Pollak and Rebecca Mansour, Breitbart News Executive Chairman Steve Bannon was sharply critical of the Bush family, referring to them as “the last Whigs” because “the Republican Party that they talked about is essentially over.”

Bannon was referring to the Bush presidents attacking President Donald Trump in a new book, The Last Republicans: Inside the Extraordinary Relationship Between George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush by historian Mark Updegrove.

“Listen, I try to be bad cop to President Trump’s good cop. He’s head of the Republican Party. He tries to stay above the fray. Hopefully I’m there to do the dirty work as his wingman,” Bannon said.

“What are we talking about? This party is a party made up of workers. It’s made up of American workers. It’s made of the American middle class. It’s got to represent not just their values, but their interests, and it doesn’t. The donors, the conservative consultants, the lobbyists, and the politicians they bought in the Republican Party don’t represent their interests at all. It’s quite shocking,” he contended.

“I think now with the Internet and news services like Breitbart, the Daily Caller, and others you’ve disintermediated the kind of old think tanks of the conservative movement, and you’ve disintermediated the old media companies – including Fox News to a large extent, which is really quite Establishment. I think you just have this energy at the grassroots level that really wants to take its party back, and by taking its party back, really effectuate change in the United States. I think it’s healthy, and I think it’s great,” he said.

“Look, it’s all about elections. If you’ve got a better idea and a better candidate, you know, throw down and let’s see if you can win,” he invited.

Bannon handicapped that hypothetical race as one in which Team Bush would not fare well.

“I think the energy is on the grassroots side,” he said. “I realize they use my name as kind of a Darth Vader figure to scare little children, or at least donors, to write bigger checks. But I think the power of what the grassroots has done, it’s turned their money from their biggest asset into their biggest liability. And now in a situation where the Karl Roves and the geniuses around Mitch McConnell, the more money they spend, the fewer votes they get.”

“They’re in full panic,” he added. “The Bushes are triggered by Donald Trump. They personally, obviously, detest him. I hear this book’s going to actually say that Bush 41 actually voted for Hillary Clinton, and Bush 43 didn’t vote at all. If that’s the case, and you think of what the Clintons stand for, and how we lost this country with judges and policies, and what we’re doing throughout the world with our sovereignty, and think of those people at the Remembrance Project – so many of whom died on George Bush’s watch – it’s just disgusting.”

“If that’s what they think, then they should move on, because they certainly don’t belong in the Republican Party that reflects the values and the interests of working people, working men and women throughout the country who I couldn’t be prouder come to the pages of Breitbart, and are basically the backbone of the listening audience at Breitbart News Sunday,” said Bannon.

Mansour suggested the “thinness and smallness” of the debate within the Republican Party before the advent of Donald Trump and his issues prevented it from making inroads with the working-class electorate.

“They make these speeches, and they string together these kinds of happy-clappy phrases, but it doesn’t really get down to the nuts and bolts of it,” Bannon said. “People are tired of hearing rhetoric. Really what they want to hear is what your action plan is, and what it means.”

“It says something about Bush that Bush is here attacking, once again attacking President Trump and being just as vitriolic as possible. I’ll reiterate this: I think President Bush 43 will go down in history as the single most destructive in the United States – and I include James Buchanan in that, the president before the Civil War,” he asserted.

“Now, what do I mean by that? He had three major policy initiatives that virtually destroyed the country. Number One was the Iraq war, $6 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan, the wars still haven’t been won. Iraq is as big of a disaster as it’s ever been. It’s caused total chaos in the Middle East. And it was either he outright lied to the American people or he’s just totally incompetent and misread what the information was,” he charged.

“The second was the financial crisis,” Bannon continued. “The financial crisis happened on his watch. It came to a head in September 2008. He just walked away from it, didn’t come up with any solutions. The thing was a debacle. We still suffer from that today. The solution was to, you know, flood the zone with liquidity, trillions and trillions of dollars of liquidity have inflated assets and made the owners of equity and real estate filthy rich, and the working men and women of this country have gotten stiffed after they had to pay for the bailouts.”

“But the most important part of what he was destructive about is China. It was on his watch they really set in motion Most Favored Nation and getting into the WTO. I know the Clintons pushed that and tried to implement it, but Bush looked at China, the whole Bush administration said China is going to get wealthier, is becoming more democratic, and more free-market capitalist. That was a massive, massive mistake,” he said.

“China today is a competitor-slash-enemy, having economic warfare against us, of incalculable power. That started with the Bush administration. He is the single most destructive president in the history of the country, and I include James Buchanan in that. For him to come and attack President Trump is an absolute disgrace,” Bannon concluded.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2017 by slow

[MancMellow]

Sve je to u redu, ali znaš kako kažu: što jedna budala pokvari, to sto budala ne ispravi. 

[Lord Protector]

Mislio si na sto pametnih ili si namerno stavio ovih sto drugih?  :D 

[iDemo]

[Weenie Pooh]

[Ayatollah]

[Anduril]

MIslim da cela ova rasprava i postoji zbog odnosa prema Hilari. Dobro je da se istovremeno slažemo oko definicije Hilari (=užas) i Trampa (faš ludak).

E sad, tvoje shvatanje Hulari uopšte nije ni blizu konsenzusa u antitramp delu društva i političkog opozicionog vrha, pa tako ni među antitrump forumašima. Onda forumaši koji imaju izgrađene stavove dolaze na forum kako bi se raspravili ne sa nekim tamo eraserom, pejsijem, buđom, andurilom ili obijem, nego sa željom da se pozicioniraju u koordinatama postojećih rasprava u mainstream javnom prostoru.

Moja dva centa sa daljine.

Za razliku od većine ranijih predsednika SAD, ovom trenutnom prete i opozicija i vrlo izraženi bočni udari unutar GOP-a.  Što se tiče GOP-a,senatori na putu u penziju (Corker i McCain) su najglasnije protiv Trumpa, što bi takođe trebalo nešto da nam kaže o kvalitetu sistema tamo. Istovremeno je i opozicija rascepljena - rukovodim se interesantnim long read na the Guardian koji strane provizorno definiše kao populist left and establishment left, ali cenim da je autor dobro postavio osnovne linije podele i tabora koje su na prethodnim primaries simbolizovali Hilari i Sanders.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/26/the-liberal-left-divide-reshaping-american-politics

Tako da, ovaj topik neminovno mora da sadrži rasprave o alternativi. Slažem se da je Tramp sada najveća pretnja, ne samo po lokalno stanovništvo nego i za ostatak sveta. Ali jebiga, ta okolnost zaista ne mora da obaveže niti jednog parapsihopatologa da se fokusira samo na Trampa i njegovu vladavinu, budući da na nju ( i njenu promenu) ima uticaja koliko i na ishod izbora u Somalilendu za nedelju dana. 

 

Ma neka troluje svako kako god zeli - zato na topiku i nema ozbiljne rasprave.

Mislim, o cemu da raspravljamo - da Sputnjik, FB fake news i BBC nisu isto - posebno u US kontekstu, da postoje zakoni protiv mesanja stranaca u izbore, da je FBI nesto drugo od raspalog DNC-a ili jadnog pravdanja HRC da je izgubila?

To je vise za politiku za malu decu i razne dansere.

 

 

A tebe jadnog answer i budja svojim zlobapskim opsesijama sprečavaju da pričaš o Trampari?

Već pet strana intenzivno duvate u "leave DNC alone" trubu, umesto da se bavite svrgavanjem arhineprijatelja. Eno Anduril, ne stiže ni da meni neprosvećenom Easterlingu objasni po kom će to zakonima o (ne)mešanju stranaca u izbore Trump najzad da zglajzne. Nema čovek vremena.

 

Ne da nemam vremena nego za glupa pitanja nemam vremena.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Anduril

[theanswer]

al što me ne voli ova warmonger neocon ekipa i ne propusti da me pomene ni u jednom postu, smatraću svojim najvećim dostignućem na ovom forumu

[Anduril]

Ma da, nothing to see here fazon. U tome je i poenta. Ovo jeste bitno. Kao što rekoh nije stvar u Hilari nego u celom sistemu, namešten primary, superdelegati koji još uvek postoje. Izuzetno je bitno kako će biti uređen proces po kome se biraju kandidati dal će doći do promene, a da se ovo nije objavilo bilo bi kao što ti kažeš nebitno. 

1. ne kaže se celo vreme

2. verujem da nisi slep pa vidiš da ne postoje "ostali" topici za politiku u SAD.

3. koji vam je kurac sa učitavanjem za Vučića?

 

1. Drzi se svojih gresaka - imas ih jedno pet po postu. 2. Otvori topik. 3. Zato sto i Vucic kao i Tramp ili bilo koji drugi luzer na vlasti skrece sa svojih gluposti istom taktikom.

[ObiW]

Ali pazi kad su pronicljiviji medju nama jos za vreme izborne trke provalili da je Tramp demagog tipa Vucica. Nazalost, oni posle izbora odose, a ostadose dansver, Budja i ini koji sporo kapiraju, a sujete imaju za izvoz. I onda jos treba da im se objasnjava zasto je to isti pattern 

[Amos]

Odličan link Pacey. Konačno nešto čitljivo izmedju rovova koji se gadjaju govnima već 10 strana.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Mos

[theanswer]

[marv]

gledam ovog morona dok drzi govor u parlamentu juzne koreje, jbmg moracemo objasniti unucima da je tramp zaista postojao i da smo stvarno ziveli u njegovo vreme, da je zaista bio predsednik najvecke svetske sile i da to nisu nikakve teorije zavere

 

svedoci smo pocetka ere idiokracije, ovo ludilo kapitalizma nece oprati ni hiljade okeana ni milion nuklearki

[theanswer]

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