BrExit?

[Anduril]

31 minutes ago, MancMellow said:

Voters support the idea of holding a second EU referendum by a 16-point margin, according to one of the largest nationwide opinion polls since the Brexit vote.

The ICM survey, conducted as part of a Guardian reporting project, found 47% of people would favour having a final say on Brexit once the terms of the UK’s departure are known, while 34% oppose reopening the question.

 

Ovo je vazno - pitam se kako ce konzerve ovo da spinuju da bi izbegli.

[MancMellow]

Ko zna. Doduše i ko zna ko će biti na vlasti krajem godine. Telegraf počeo ozbiljno da pljuje po Mayki, te stvari su obično pokazatelj nečega (kod Torijevaca)

[Anduril]

Pa da, ko zna - tamo je sve moze da se okrene 180 stepeni. Pogovovo ako ekonomija nastavi da tone. Pro-evropska strana sada treba samo do ponavlja rezultat ovog polla i konstantno optuzuje konzerve da su elitisti i da ne slusaju narod. Imace cak i Faraza na svojoj strani...

[Roger Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/958380266162216963

[Roger Sanchez]

The FDA union, which represents senior public servants, issued a statement in response to Baker's claims that government forecasts are "always wrong". General secretary Dave Penman said: "His remarks today not only insult the dedicated professionals working in his department and across the civil service, but they epitomise the current state of affairs in government.

"We have just witnessed the extraordinary scene of a serving minister telling the House that, whatever analysis his own department comes up with, he simply won't believe it. The public will rightly ask how this fingers-in-ears approach is supposed to help the country navigate such a complex and unprecedented challenge as leaving the EU."

[bigvlada]

Brexit prompts EU to move satellite site to Spain
by Staff Writers
Brussels (AFP) Jan 29, 2018

The EU formally decided on Wednesday to move a satellite monitoring base from Britain to Spain after Brexit to "preserve security".

The back-up site for the bloc's Galileo satnav system in Swanwick, southern England, is set to move to Madrid, where it will reportedly employ dozens of people.

It is a third major loss for Britain after the EU decided last year to shift its medicines agency to Amsterdam and its banking regulator to Paris.

EU Commissioners on Wednesday endorsed a vote last week by the remaining 27 EU states to relocate the satellite centre, which backs up the main site in France.

"As a consequence of Brexit a new location for the back-up site had to be found," European Commissioner Vera Jourova told a press conference in Brussels.

Industry Commissioner Elzbieta Bienkowska added: "With today's decision the Commission is taking the necessary operational steps to ensure business continuity and preserve the security of the Galileo system."

The Galileo Security Monitoring Centre ensures the security of the EU's satellite navigation project.

The Galileo programme, when complete, will have 30 satellites in orbit by 2020.

Spain beat Belgium, Italy, Portugal, Romania and Slovenia to host the British site.

 

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Brexit_prompts_EU_to_move_satellite_site_to_Spain_999.html

 

Kad smo već kod toga, Rodžere, zašto Hrvatska nije predložila neku lokaciju na Hvaru, ako se tamo već nalazi opservatorija? Deluje mi mnogo bolje i od kandidovanih i od pobedničke lokacije. 

[hazard]

Zato što je članica EU drugog reda, kao i sve ostalo istočnoevropske članice, pa zato dobija kiki. Ta stanica ne bi otišla na Hvar kao što EMA nije otišla u Bratislavu.

[MancMellow]

20 hours ago, Roger Sanchez said:

The FDA union, which represents senior public servants, issued a statement in response to Baker's claims that government forecasts are "always wrong". General secretary Dave Penman said: "His remarks today not only insult the dedicated professionals working in his department and across the civil service, but they epitomise the current state of affairs in government.

"We have just witnessed the extraordinary scene of a serving minister telling the House that, whatever analysis his own department comes up with, he simply won't believe it. The public will rightly ask how this fingers-in-ears approach is supposed to help the country navigate such a complex and unprecedented challenge as leaving the EU."
 

Raspad jbt

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Just now, MancMellow said:

Raspad jbt

Na službenom sam od ponedeljka (a i forum nije radio), ali sve od subote/nedelje trešti sve oko Brexita u koliki čabar sve ovo ulazi, nego ne stižem ni da udaram crtice. Uglavnom, u nedelju valjda bilo "objavljivanje namera" i UK i EU, Dejvis pričao da UK, iako neće imati prava da utiče na donošenje odluka tokom tranzicionog perioda, želi nešto slično statusu posmatrača, na šta je Barnije odgovorio, pa otprilike, "lol". Da bi potom Barnije podvukao debelim mastilom da za vreme tranzicionog perioda UK može da pregovara koliko hoće sa trećim državama, ali da ne sme da potpisuje nikakve bilateralne sporazume dok se tranzicioni period ne završi, a nakon njega, može da potpisuje samo ugovore koji su usklađeni sa zakonskim regulativama EU od kojih zavisi uopšte budući UK-EU odnos.

Ukratko, bukkake. A UK ćuti i trpi, jer UK jedino i može da ćuti i trpi.

Sve od nedelje hardlajn torijevci em prozivaju Mejovu da je potpuno beskorisna premijerka (u pravu su), em pizde da Hammond i vlada kao da guraju ka mnogo mekšem Brexitu (u pravu su, jer se izgleda tek sad bude i omirišljavaju kafu). Skoro dolazi do toga da već otvoreno nazivaju Hammonda izdajnikom, a i San i Dejli Mejl ga imaju na nišanu.

I onda ovaj izveštaj od juče-prekjuče. I bezumno opovrgavanje istog.

Jedino što izgleda da ima sve više poziva da i Korbin i laburisti kažu "E, ajde dosta je zajebavanja, guramo za soft Brexit, single market, customs union", ali to verovatno Gardijan više malo gardijaniše nego što se zaista dešava.

[MancMellow]

Najrealnije tj najdemokratskije i najlegitimnije bi bilo da budu izbori. Za ovakve stvari mora pun demokratski legitimitet. Tj minimum izbori. 

[hazard]

17 hours ago, Marvin (Paranoid Android) said:

Jedino što izgleda da ima sve više poziva da i Korbin i laburisti kažu "E, ajde dosta je zajebavanja, guramo za soft Brexit, single market, customs union", ali to verovatno Gardijan više malo gardijaniše nego što se zaista dešava.

 

Single market nema šanse, jer to znači i free movement, a jedno pola laburističkih (postojećih + potencijalnih) glasača je protiv toga.

 

Customs union može da prođe, i to Labour treba da objašnjava svojim glasačima: customs union je dobar za vas, jer vam neće porasti cene na proizvode iz EU, ono što izvoze fabrike u kojima radite će i dalje ići nesmetano u EU, ako ste mali biznis koji proizvodi nešto bez carina izvozite u EU...itd. A ko neće customs union, pa neće londonski bankari-mešetari koji bi od UK da prave veliki Singapur ili Hong Kong, mislite li da je to dobro za vas, za Mančester, Njukasl, Birmingem, Liverpul...? Da ne govorimo o tome customs union rešava bezbolno pitanje irske granice

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

18 hours ago, MancMellow said:

Najrealnije tj najdemokratskije i najlegitimnije bi bilo da budu izbori. Za ovakve stvari mora pun demokratski legitimitet. Tj minimum izbori. 

Zapanjujuće koliko jeste, ali ja ne verujem da bi se mnogo toga promenilo. Najverovatnije torijevci i dalje ne bi imali većinu, možda čak izgube još 1-2 poslanika, ali mi je jako teško poverovati da bi laburisti uzeli dovoljno da imaju većinu. Uz sve nepojamne blamaže torijevaca u poslednjih 6 meseci, koje čak i nemaju veze sa Brexitom, nekako ne verujem da bi bilo dovoljno ljudi koji bi prelomili da glasaju za labs.

 

54 minutes ago, hazard said:

 

Single market nema šanse, jer to znači i free movement, a jedno pola laburističkih (postojećih + potencijalnih) glasača je protiv toga.

 

Customs union može da prođe, i to Labour treba da objašnjava svojim glasačima: customs union je dobar za vas, jer vam neće porasti cene na proizvode iz EU, ono što izvoze fabrike u kojima radite će i dalje ići nesmetano u EU, ako ste mali biznis koji proizvodi nešto bez carina izvozite u EU...itd. A ko neće customs union, pa neće londonski bankari-mešetari koji bi od UK da prave veliki Singapur ili Hong Kong, mislite li da je to dobro za vas, za Mančester, Njukasl, Birmingem, Liverpul...? Da ne govorimo o tome customs union rešava bezbolno pitanje irske granice

Customs Union je najverovatnije, po meni, nešto što i torijevci već odavno znaju da moraju da pojedu govno i da pristanu - em se tako rešava pitanje granice sa Irskom, em će hiljadu nerešivih problema oko tarifa preko noći nestati. Njihov veliki problem je kako to da objasne militantnom krilu partije koje se upravo nada da će se izaći iz customs uniona da bi uz masovnu deregulaciju mogli da krenu da sklapaju trgovinske sporazume sa kome god hoće i da uvoze svakakvo đubre, samo daj da se trguje. Trenutno mi izgleda da je nekakakv endgame da se to već za nekoliko meseci nađe na glasanju, Tereza ako uopšte do tada bude Tereza ima da pojede masovno govno, no ako ona je u prošlih 12 meseci navikla na nešto, navikla je na nezamislive blamaže i predavanja, i da će dobar deo torijevaca uz verovatno skoro sve laburiste i lib dems izglasati neki generalni roadmap za ostajanje u uniji. Trenutni problem je što to ne može da ide na parlament dok sam kabinet ne usaglasi takav smer, a ako bi se ona drznula na to, Boris, Gouv i Foks bi je smenili pre nego što napusti zgradu.

A za singl market, da, trenutno se ne vidi kako to može da se spase. Jedini način koji vidim je što će kad-tad postati očigledno da bez singl marketa finansijske usluge i servisi od kojih živi ceo London neće biti deo paketa. I dalje se suludo nadam da će neko kada dođe taj trenutak ipak reći "Alo bre ljudi, pa čekajte u pičku materinu" radije nego da gleda kako City odlazi u pepeo. Recimo Hammond. Jedini razlog zašto se to još nije desilo je verovatno, kao i sve u vezi sa ovim shitshowom od Brexita, još kazaljka nije na 23:59:40 pa da mora da se primi kita u bulju. Ali i taj momenat će jednom doći. Barnije je rekao koliko pre 10 dana da finansijske usluge ne mogu biti deo sporazuma van singl marketa. Dejvis je nešto bogoradio, tek da nešto kaže, i na tome se završilo.

[bigvlada]

EU rejects Brexit plan for banks proposed by UK financial industry
City plan proposed Britain and EU would allow cross-border trade in financial services

Wed, Jan 31, 2018, 14:39

European Commission officials have rejected the City of London’s proposal to strike a post-Brexit free-trade deal on financial services, a major blow to Britain’s hopes of keeping full access to European Union markets for one of the world’s top two financial centres.
Since Britain voted to leave the EU 19 months ago, some of the world’s most powerful finance companies in London have been searching for a way to preserve the existing cross-border flow of trading after it leaves the bloc in 2019.
Commission officials told British financiers in meetings in recent weeks that they will not agree to a deal that would allow finance companies to operate in each others’ markets without barriers because Britain has said it will leave the single market, according to two people who attended the meetings.
The City’s plan proposed that Britain and the EU would allow cross-border trade in financial services on the condition that each side preserve regulatory standards in line with the best international standards. This model would be maintained by close co-operation between regulators and financial policymakers.

Detailed proposals
The proposals were the most detailed on how a long-term agreement on financial services with the EU may work after Brexit, with papers setting out how a pact could be structured and policed, and it has been endorsed by Britain’s Brexit minister David Davis.
But EU officials are dismissive of any trade models that would see Britain retain similar levels of market access while leaving the single market regime.
“They have made it very clear to us that this is unacceptable to them,” said one senior British finance executive present at one of the meetings. “This was our best and frankly only proposal. We don’t have a plan B.”
Sterling slipped against the dollar and euro on Wednesday on news of the rejection.
Britain’s vast financial services sector looks set to be one of the most divisive areas in the Brexit negotiations, with Britain demanding a generous deal while the EU refuses to shift from its insistence that Britain’s red lines – such as ending the free movement of workers from the EU – make that impossible.
Britain is currently home to the world’s largest number of banks and hosts the largest commercial insurance market. About €6 trillion, or 37 per cent, of Europe’s financial assets are managed in the UK capital, almost twice the amount of its nearest rival, Paris.
In addition, London dominates Europe’s €5.2 trillion investment banking industry.
But unless it can secure a trade deal, for all its geographic proximity, Europe’s largest financial capital will end up adrift with the same access to the EU as other countries such as Singapore.
Britain’s chancellor of the exchequer, Philip Hammond, warned Europe last week that hurting London’s financial centre would push business to New York and Singapore to the detriment of Europe as a whole, and he called for a bespoke trade deal with the EU.

Passporting
The rejection of the proposed trade deal represents a second setback for the City of London, which had initially pinned hopes on Britain maintaining “passporting” in financial services after Brexit.
EU negotiators see no room for discussion with Britain on passporting, diplomats in Brussels said on Wednesday.
Mark Hoban, a former City minister who chaired the body that wrote the blueprint, acknowledged it was ambitious but said it has the interest of government and was being discussed by EU states.
“There is agreement that the existing third country regime does not provide a robust basis for maintaining high levels of trade,” Mr Hoban said.
The commission did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
A lawyer who helped negotiate the last implemented trade deal with the EU also said he thought Britain should temper its expectations for securing a wide-ranging deal on financial services.
Christophe Bondy, the senior legal counsel during Canada’s negotiations for a trade deal with the EU said Canada worked very hard to achieve a high-standard trade deal with the EU but still ended up with modest outcomes in financial services.
“There was a lot of effort put into financial services,” he said. “It was one of the areas that went on the longest in the negotiation.”
Mr Bondy said that if the EU granted Britain’s financial services sector access in line with the City’s blueprint, the EU’s other free-trade agreement partners such as Canada would have to be offered access to the same deal.
“It blows the lid off how the EU functions,” Mr Bondy said. – Reuters

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/eu-rejects-brexit-plan-for-banks-proposed-by-uk-financial-industry-1.3375183

 

 

[MancMellow]

To je više bilo APP

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Ovo će biti zanimljiva nedelja.

Tokom poslednjih 5-6 dana, šuškalo se da No 10 polako počinje da prihvata, well, realnost, kada je Hammond prvo namigivao da bi UK mogla da prihvati "najveći deo" mera po kojima bi mogla ostati u nečemu što je "jako slično" bescarinskoj uniji, Amber Rudd nije htela kategorički da odbije ostanak u bescarinskoj uniji, a i sama Mejova kad joj je postavljeno to pitanje je nastavljala da mekeće kako hoće "najbolji dil i najbolju situaciju". Pre par dana je Tajms objavio neko neimenovano šuškanje da su hard Brexitovci, dakle Rees-Mogg, Johnson i još par drugih, spremili svilen gajtan za Mejovu i da će u roku od odmah izdejstvovati vote of no confidence u stranci. Sinoć kasno, No 10 najednom zvanično rekao da UK nedvosmisleno napušta bescarinsku uniju.

Danas je Barnier u Londonu, razgovarao sa Davisom, prosto je neverovatno kako ove ljude više nije, pa najbliže rečeno, sramota. Februar 2018, 20 meseci nakon referenduma, No 10 i dalje nije izneo nikakav konkretan predlog, osim muljanja "želimo dubok i blizak odnos" (zvuči kao pick-up line), a Davis ladno govori novinarima "Mislim da je UK od samog početka jasno govorila sve ovo vreme tačno šta hoće", Barnier sedi, izneveruje, i kaže da napuštanje bescarinske unije, znači, nevera, carine. Ovi šmokljani iz No 10 valjda do petka moraju da obaveste evropsku komisiju o tome šta uopšte žele, ta odluka je trebala biti donešena u sredu ili četvrtak na sastanku vlade, ali više se ne zna ništa kad se sve menja svaki dan sudeći po naslovima iz novina. Inače, UK je imala neka dva mistična predloga za rešenje granice Irske i Severne Irske, jedan je da se provera uvoza i izvoza robe vrši elektronski, dakle bez zaustavljanja. Mali problem sa time je što to ne postoji, i niko ne zna ni na šta bi ličilo i kako bi se napravilo. Drugi predlog je je da UK izađe iz Unije, ali ubira carine i takse za robu koja ide ka EU na svojoj teritoriji, što su izgleda u Briselu otpratili sa smehom.