BrExit?

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Theresa May’s government has suffered a humiliating defeat in the House of Commons after MPs backed an amendment to her flagship Brexit bill, limiting the powers it will grant to ministers.

As the prime minister prepares to travel to Brussels to meet her fellow EU leaders on Thursday, the former attorney general Dominic Grieve appeared to have won the support of more than a dozen Tory rebels for “amendment seven”, promising MPs a decisive vote on the Brexit deal before Britain leaves.
Theresa May loses Commons Brexit vote as MPs back curbing government powers in EU withdrawal bill - Politics live
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MPs waved their order papers as the result of the crucial vote was read out, revealing that the government had been defeated by 309 votes to 305.

 

Kekekeke.

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Parliament took back control

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https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-to-uk-youre-not-special-brexit-talks-phase-2/

EU to UK: You’re not special
The UK wants ‘deep and special’ ties post-Brexit but the EU has other ideas.

Looking ahead to discussions about the future relationship with the U.K., senior EU officials and diplomats are warning that the bloc has numerous partnerships, including trade agreements, with many countries, and Brussels has no intention of diminishing those arrangements by offering London a sweeter package.

That’s especially true, officials said, when it comes to Norway and Switzerland — the two big partners that pay into the EU budget to be part of its single market.

U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May has stated repeatedly that Britain will leave the single market and customs union. As a result, the view in Brussels is that Britain cannot expect or get a closer, deeper or more special relationship than the EU has with Switzerland and Norway.

At the same time, EU officials are also stressing that “most-favored nation” (MFN) provisions in existing trade agreements, and in World Trade Organization rules, will preclude Brussels from offering the U.K. special benefits that it does not offer to other partners. No one in Brussels seems inclined to reopen trade talks on numerous fronts to accommodate some special post-Brexit arrangement with the British.

“We will have to calibrate our approach … we cannot upset relations with other third countries,” a senior EU official said. “If we were to give the U.K. a very lopsided deal, then the other partners with whom we have been engaging, and with whom we have entered into balanced agreements, would of course come back and would question those agreements.

“On top of that, there’s also a more technical point, in some of these agreements there are actually specific MFN clauses, that is clauses saying if you give more to others you will have to come back to us and give the same,” the official said. “Also for this reason, we need to maintain this balance of rights and obligations.”

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

U suštini, ovo na žalost ne menja mnogo toga.

Amandman obavezuje vladu da kad se isčekića neki trejding dil, da će da ga stave parlamentu na glasanje, ali sve i da parlament izglasa "jok", to će verovatno značiti samo krah svih pregovora i da će Britanija da ljosne napolje iz unije bez ičega, baš ičega, i pasti na WTO trejding pravila (i to samo što se tiče osnovnih trgovinskih odnosa, o zakonskim regulativama svega od finansijskih usluga od čega ceo London živi, pa do sporazuma o avio saobraćaju - ko zna). Jedina alternativa je da onda, valjda mesec-dva pre isteka nekog tranzicionog perioda zavape "Jao mi ipak ne bi da napuštamo uniju" što se jašta neće desiti.

Ali ova odluka je šamar vladi koja je ionako išamarana i izspenkovana van svake mere. I ovo uopšte neće olakšati pregovaračku poziciju Britanije kada će svi u Briselu sad još više da se pitaju može li Mejova kod kuće uopšte da progura išta na šta se obaveže.


Ako išta, makar pokazuje koliko je Brexitovcima važna jedino ideološka agenda, a nikakvo slinavljenje o brizi da britanski parlament bude glavni stožer suverenosti. Čovek koji je podneo referendum je bio Attorney General, i do dana današnjeg nikada nije glasao protiv svoje stranke.

 

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Daily Mail = Komsomolskaja pravda

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Još jedna Home Office svinjarija umrla na sudu

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by Roger Sanchez

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The Art Of the Deal

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Having agreed on the substance, the urgent negotiation turned to presentation. While the final Brexit bill would not be known for decades to come, British negotiators wanted to announce a low headline estimate for the net cost: around €40bn-€45bn, rather than the commission’s €50bn-€60bn. They also wanted the commission to say assumptions made by the UK that would minimise payments were reasonable.

The most significant trick was simpler: using front-loaded payments in January-April 2019, the last three months of Britain’s membership, to lower the headline exit bill. That alone reduced the EU estimates of the bill by €4bn-€5bn, according to officials involved in the talks. “We don’t mind if they pay early,” joked one senior EU diplomat.

 

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Jedan, možda marginalni aspekt BrExit-a, ali meni vrlo interesantan može se pročitati ovde.
Rad je na strani 47 (ili 49 u odnosu na PDF), pod nazivom "Brexit, Euratom and nuclear proliferation" (Anna Södersten).

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Brexit secretary David Davis will warn the European commission that it cannot “cherrypick some sectors” when negotiating a trade deal, according to a senior government official, who said the UK planned to treat goods and services as inseparable.

 

 

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To nakon što je Barnije izjavio da finansijske usluge nema šanse da budu deo trgovinskog ugovora, jer je UK sama odlučila da napusti jedinstveno tržište?

 

Paradoksalno, dok će bregzit biti onda svakako loš za London, možda u tom smislu bude dobar za ostatak Britanije. UK decenijama pušta da im raznorazni sektori ekonomije (i zajedno s njima celi regioni zemlje) umiru i stagniraju, ali sve je OK jer City generiše lovu i ekonomski rast. Sada kada proizvođači šestouganoih navrtanja iz Sanderlenda (one što ih je Vučić prodavao kada je u paralelnoj haripoterevskoj realnosti radio u Engleskoj) budu imali direktan pristup EU tržištu a prestonički bankari ne, možda će se više pažnje pokloniti metalostrugarima a malo manje bankarima.

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

1 minute ago, hazard said:

To nakon što je Barnije izjavio da finansijske usluge nema šanse da budu deo trgovinskog ugovora, jer je UK sama odlučila da napusti jedinstveno tržište?

 

Paradoksalno, dok će bregzit biti onda svakako loš za London, možda u tom smislu bude dobar za ostatak Britanije. UK decenijama pušta da im raznorazni sektori ekonomije (i zajedno s njima celi regioni zemlje) umiru i stagniraju, ali sve je OK jer City generiše lovu i ekonomski rast. Sada kada proizvođači šestouganoih navrtanja iz Sanderlenda (one što ih je Vučić prodavao kada je u paralelnoj haripoterevskoj realnosti radio u Engleskoj) budu imali direktan pristup EU tržištu a prestonički bankari ne, možda će se više pažnje pokloniti metalostrugarima a malo manje bankarima.

Pa ne samo nakon toga što je Barnije izjavio (ali da, i nakon toga), ali meni je mnogo bolje što to dolazi nakon što je EU govorila Britaniji jedno hiljadu puta u prošlih 18 meseci "that UK cannot cherrypick parts of EU single market it wants to keep", mislim ukucaj samo te reči u gugl, izlazi zilion dokumenata. To dolazi još od referendumske kampanje i svih 18 meseci kasnije gde su volšebnici sa Leave strane svesti non stop ponavljali kako mogu da zadrže šta god oće, odbace sve što neće, i da će EU da pristane na sve jer je Britanija toliko potrebnija Uniji nego Unija Britaniji.

Potpuni, potpuni bizar. Jebo te, da su bar makar promenili reči za koji sinonim, ili makar red reči, ali ladno Dejvid Dejvis govori Uniji da Unija "cannot cherrypick sectors it likes in the trade deal" dok je Unija godinu i po dana govorila Dejvid Dejvisu da Britanija "cannot cherrypick sectors of single market it likes".

Ali koliko je ovo samo dobro jebo te. Dakle jedva deset dana nakon što se Britanija obavezala da će uskladiti svu zakonsku regulativu sa unijom, Barnije govori crno na belo tačno ono na šta se tu misli, tj "Nema nikakvog dila ako UK sprovede bilo kakvu deregulaciju u standardima za trgovačka dobra, finansijske usluge, radnička prava ili ekološke regulative", što je ponavljano ad nauseum sve ovo vreme, i sad Dejvis pizdi zbog toga. Jebo te, niko Britance ne bije po ušima da izlaze iz zajedničkog tržišta i carinske unije, to je državni policy do kog su sami došli. Dve godine se ponavlja da će City najverovatnije izgubiti passporting prava za finansijske usluge ako se izađe iz single marketa i sad ih iznenađuje sneg u januaru.

Da sam optimista, rekao bih da je ovoliki moronluk neka lukava i suptilna priprema terena za ostajanje u zajedničkom tržištu, ali Okamova oštrica vrlo čvrsto pokazuje da je u pitanju ipak samo običan moronluk.

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Ma to naravno, to je jasno  ali nisam uspeo da nađem onaj rolf smajli (toga više nema? zašto mi članovi kolektiva plaćamo hosting ovde  ) da se pridružim čuđenju. Nego sam se pitao otkud sad to, koji je neposredni povod, kada je "cherrypicking" britanska strategija od početka. No, Dejvis je toga svestan, on sigurno misli da je mnogo vickast što je sada rekao ostatku EU da oni ne mogu da čeripikuju, hahaha, evo vam malo ,,vašeg leka ukus!"^TM Debil.