BrExit?

[Prospero]

After Brexit, the movement for referendums on EU membership has picked up momentum in other countries. It is even becoming a central theme of France’s 2017 presidential campaigns. EurActiv France reports.

The desire to leave the EU appears to be contagious. The question has been raised in a number of other European countries following the United Kingdom’s decision to leave the EU, a first in the history of the bloc, whose roots go back to 1954.

The close victory for ‘Leave’ in the 23 June UK referendum was celebrated in France and the Netherlands by Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders, who have since called for referendums in their own countries.

“The Brits have an instrumental and utilitarian relationship with Europe, this is not true of the founding members like the Netherlands and France, which were the driving force of the European construction,” said Manuel Lafont-Rapnouil, the director of the Paris think-tank ECFR. The variety of political currents in these countries mean that even if a referendum were organised, it would not necessarily result in the country’s exit from the Union.
 

For the populists, Brexit has clearly lit up the exit. But for politicians of other political colours, it provides a variety of different challenges and opportunities.
“The exit of the United Kingdom proves that the UK was only half way in to begin with. Since the adoption of the euro, we have been waiting for them, thinking they would join us. This led to a poisonous stagnation,” said Pervenche Berès, the head of the French Socialist Party delegation in the European Parliament (S&D group).

Berès believes that this change could pave the way for the European socialists to take Europe in a new direction. Public consultation would need to take place in order to legitimise any major changes. But France’s 2017 presidential elections may supercede the need for a referendum, which is becoming less of a taboo subject. The French socialists were left traumatised by the result of the referendum on the European Constitution in 2005. But the idea of the plebiscite has not completely died in France.

Arnaud Montebourg, a Socialist Party MP and former minister for industrial renewal, hinted this week that a public consultation was “foreseeable”. Some observers even predict that it will inevitably become a central part of the 2017 presidential election campaigns.
 

Treaty change or referendum?

 

Bruno Le Maire, a presidential candidate for the right wing Republican party, has also called for a referendum, saying it is indispensable to overhaul the European project, which should be led by France and Germany. Unimpressed by the proposal, one Republican source said Le Maire was just trying to “make a buzz” in the run-up to the election primaries.

 

Another Republican candidate, Alain Juppé, warned against the idea of a referendum, which he said would be tantamount to “handing the victory to Marine Le Pen on a plate”.

 

Nicolas Sarkozy’s response to the Brexit referendum, meanwhile, was very conservative. “It is clear to see that this feeling of rejection is shared by a large number of French citizens and many other Europeans. What the British people have said can be repeated by other people in Europe. We cannot and should not ignore it,” he said.
The Republican party leader went on to repeat his calls for a new European treaty, for which the ratification process would be similar in effect to a referendum.
 
“More than ever I hear people speaking in defence of the European ideal. But I want to achieve this ideal with the people of Europe, not against them,” said Sarkozy.
But the Brexit epidemic could spread to other countries in various forms. The possibility of referendums in certain countries is real, but so is the risk that governments will seek to pacify their domestic Eurosceptics by demanding more “à la carte” options and opt-outs that could undermine the European project.

[Prospero]

Opušteno, idemo na odmor:

 

 

Robert Nisbet Verified account ‏@RobNisbetSky

Conservative source to @skynews: leadership: nominations close Thursday at noon. New PM by Sep 2nd

[harper]

naravno. al jbg, negde moras da platis za ovakav cock-up. 

 

Ma, ja mislim da ce oni s ovim terati do kraja.

[yolo]

njima je dakle neophodan 1 ratko markovic, ukoliko u pravnom smislu vec ne sluzi gospoda

 

i zivorad jovanovic kao sef diplomatije (kog se ne bi setio da ga radio beograd u petak nije ukljucio u program da komentarise brexit, svojim divnim zavicajnim toplickim akcentom)

[Lord Protector]

nije toplički, već levački (Levač, južna Šumadija)

[MancMellow]

Ma, ja mislim da ce oni s ovim terati do kraja.

 

i ja mislim, ali se uzasno toga pribojavam. konacni cilj ljudi koji su pokrenuli brexit nije izlazak UK iz EU, nego raspad EU. cega brexit itekako moze da bude trigger. oni uostalom to ni ne kriju. tri dana posle referendum ne postoji jedinstvo izmedju nemackog kancelara i nemackom nistra spoljnih poslova. sansa da se odrzi pregovaracko jedinstvo (pa i samo 6-7 navaznijih) EU zemalja tokom godina pregovaranja u vezi sa najrazlicitijim temama i ko zna koliko ukrstenih interesa mislim da ne postoji. O novim referendumima da ne pricam. U uslovima ovakve ekonomije, krize na jugu, krize na istoku - Brexit je smrtna opasnost za EU. 

[Tribun_Populi]

^^Što je granica između književnog šumadijsko-vojvođanskog i susednog mu kosovsko-resavskog, bliže ovom prvom.

 

Šta je tu toliko loše?

Edited June 27, 2016 by Tribun_Populi

[Tribun_Populi]

konacni cilj ljudi koji su pokrenuli brexit nije izlazak UK iz EU, nego raspad EU. cega brexit itekako moze da bude trigger.

Tell that to Harper. ^_^

[MancMellow]

Tell that to Harper. ^_^

 

Ma ok to. Ja ne mislim da tu ima srece za bilo koga.

[Tribun_Populi]

Ma ok to. Ja ne mislim da tu ima srece za bilo koga.

Ja još manje, samo konstatujem.

[Meazza]

nije toplički, već levački (Levač, južna Šumadija)

 

I nije Zivorad vec Zivadin...

[harper]

i ja mislim, ali se uzasno toga pribojavam. konacni cilj ljudi koji su pokrenuli brexit nije izlazak UK iz EU, nego raspad EU. cega brexit itekako moze da bude trigger. oni uostalom to ni ne kriju. tri dana posle referendum ne postoji jedinstvo izmedju nemackog kancelara i nemackom nistra spoljnih poslova. sansa da se odrzi pregovaracko jedinstvo (pa i samo 6-7 navaznijih) EU zemalja tokom godina pregovaranja u vezi sa najrazlicitijim temama i ko zna koliko ukrstenih interesa mislim da ne postoji. O novim referendumima da ne pricam. U uslovima ovakve ekonomije, krize na jugu, krize na istoku - Brexit je smrtna opasnost za EU. 

 

Moze da bude smrtna opasnost ali ne mora da znaci, moze takodje da bude i otreznjujuci faktor za evropsku politicku elitu da konacno shvati ozbiljno ovaj narastajuci mars ekstremne desnice i poradi malo vise na kvalitetu svog politickog proizvoda. Britanija je godinama bila sve samo ne korektan i koristan partner u donosenju odluka od zajednicke vaznosti tako da, ako njihov izlazak istovremeno oznaci i raspad Unije, onda zaista nemamo za cim da zalimo.

[yolo]

I nije Zivorad vec Zivadin...

 

e jbga sad, sustina ovde nije u finim detaljima

[Prospero]

i ja mislim, ali se uzasno toga pribojavam. konacni cilj ljudi koji su pokrenuli brexit nije izlazak UK iz EU, nego raspad EU. cega brexit itekako moze da bude trigger. oni uostalom to ni ne kriju. tri dana posle referendum ne postoji jedinstvo izmedju nemackog kancelara i nemackom nistra spoljnih poslova. sansa da se odrzi pregovaracko jedinstvo (pa i samo 6-7 navaznijih) EU zemalja tokom godina pregovaranja u vezi sa najrazlicitijim temama i ko zna koliko ukrstenih interesa mislim da ne postoji. O novim referendumima da ne pricam. U uslovima ovakve ekonomije, krize na jugu, krize na istoku - Brexit je smrtna opasnost za EU. 

 

Ja mislim suprotno.

 

Samo gledaj reakciju evropske desnice ako se, na ovaj ili onaj način "pogazi referendumska volja". Plus ceo politički klasterfak koji će nastati ako ne ispoštuju ovo. Svi će u EU to videti kao kršenje pravila, kao izvrdavanja, a sve to treba da vodi elita koja je za 4 dana izgubila svaki kredibilitet.

 

Sa kakvim će autoritetom sutra UK premijer da govori o integracijama, po širini i dubini? Kako će ga gledati ostali za stolom?

 

Fundamentalne evropske teme se vrte oko Evrozone i u njima je UK po svojoj volji potpuno odsutna, i time ne predstavlja nikakvu korist. EU sa takvom Britanijom, koja toliko snažno ne želi da bude ni na ovom redukovanom nivou u EU nema šta dalje da traži. Ostanak ove i ovakve UK će vezati EU i ruke i noge nadalje, politički i idejno.

 

Ukratko - dobar razvod i loš brak.

[Friend]

Novi tim britanske vlade za pregovore o Bregzitu

 

London -- Vlada Velike Britanije postigla je dogovor da se uspostavi novo odeljenje državne službe, koje će imati "složen" zadatak da pregovara o izlasku te zemlje iz EU.

 

"Premijer je dao predlog, a kabinet podržao osnivanje nove jedinice za vođenje intenzivnog rada državne službe o pitanjima, koja će morati da budu razrađena kako bi se predstavile opcije i dali saveti novom premijeru", rekla je portparolka odlazećeg britanskog premijera Dejvida Kamerona, prenosi AFP.

Kameron je najavio da će podneti ostavku do oktobra nakon što su se Britanci na referendumu većinom izjasnili za izlazak iz Evropske unije.