Mađarski zid: izbeglice sa Bliskog istoka i iz Afrike u Srbiji i regionu

[Djuro]

ah 

[koksy]

hella, objasni molim te

[Hella]

bih ali neka bulica već objasnila

 

 

ps

čekamo da nam sutra belolistićarski premijer objasni kako je tako svugde u svetu

Edited September 27, 2016 by Hella

[Prospero]

Ekekeke, 95% glasalo za odbijanje migrantskih kvota ali izlaznost ispod 50% (prema prvim procenama) tako da referendum (najverovatnije) ne važi.

[James Marshall]

Svejedno, i taj referendum je kao onaj kod Dodika, informativne prirode, ionako je sve u rukama parlamenta.

[Miralem]

http://rs.n1info.com/a198756/Vesti/Vesti/Protest-migranata-u-Beogradu.html

 

jbt, sta je ovo? prvo su organizovali protest protiv madjarske u sred beograda, onda u znak tog istog protesta krenuli ka madjarskoj koja je tu iza coska, pa se vratili da mlate one koji ih nisu podrzali u tom genijalnom planu.

 

meni je fascinantno koliko ti ljudi imaju iluzija o evropi, i koliko uopste ne poznaju prilike. pod jedan, krivi smo svi mi beli ljudi sto smo im razvalili drzavu, pa smo im nesto i duzni (to sam slusao izmedju ostalog i od lika koji sticajem okolnosti zivi duze vreme u srbiji). poimanje koncepta postojanja vise razlicitih drzava im se zavrsava po izlasku iz turske. a kada se docepaju zapada histerisu jer ne dobiju odmah sopstveni stan, vec moraju da ga dele. plus ovi mladji misle kako evropljanke, koje suu inace sve odreda drolje, samo njih cekaju. sto je mit koji podgrevaju babe koje su se sjatile oko izbeglickih centara. tragicno je kad vidis sta sve oni zamisljaju, i ko se sve i iz kojih razloga okupio da im "pomaze".

[Desmond Bojčinski]

 pod jedan, krivi smo svi mi beli ljudi sto smo im razvalili drzavu, pa smo im nesto i duzni 

 

Mozda i jeste, mozda i niste. Ali sta smo mi braonski krivi, to ti meni reci?

[Radoye]

Hungarian democracy is an alternate reality

Robert Austin

Special to The Globe and Mail

Tuesday, Oct. 04, 2016 6:00AM EDT

 

 

Robert Austin teaches at the Munk School of Global Affairs at the University of Toronto.

 

Hungarians voted “No” to resettling refugees in the country with a bizarre referendum on Sunday. The question was loaded, manipulative and hardly fair. But, unlike former British prime minister David Cameron, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban knows how to devise a question with only one possible answer.

 

Given the government’s expensive propaganda campaign, in a crude paraphrase, Hungarians were asked if they wanted the European Union to have the right to settle terrorists in Hungary. Not surprisingly the overwhelming majority said no – case closed. Simple populism: We create fear then we save you from fear.

 

The referendum is meaningless on several levels: there was no legal basis for the EU to force refugees on unwilling countries and not enough people bothered to vote to make the poll valid. Plus, given the Hungarian attitude, few migrants wanted to go there anyway. The whole exercise was a costly sham.

 

However, what Hungary does is potentially meaningful in that it may tell us about some dangerous trends in EU member states. Europe’s former Eastern Bloc countries – Czechs, Hungarians, Poles and Slovaks – are collectively saying they want a different type of Europe. They want more nation and less supra-nation – more Budapest and less Brussels, so to speak. Give us the cash, but we will pass on the liberal values.

 

Long before Hungarian xenophobia made headlines last year, Hungary was on record as opposing newcomers. According to the government, Hungary wants Hungarian babies to stem a declining population. Hungary wants people to come to Hungary, but they should be tourists not refugees. Come for a good time, not a long time.

 

Mr. Orban’s political party, Fidesz, has charted a whole new course for Hungary and now he hopes to shape the EU’s future, too. Mr. Orban transformed the previously liberal Fidesz into a national populist party that swept to power with a massive majority in 2010 and was returned to power again in 2014. Fidesz can govern without even acknowledging the opposition on either side of a now meaningless political spectrum. Only the radical nationalist Jobbik party really counts as an opposition.

 

That Fidesz is in power is revolutionary. The Hungary that it took over was broke, facing fiscal and other crises. The previous government had lied, plundered and over-promised. Fidesz in power was enraged, focused and truly popular. A new and controversial constitution that spoke of Hungary’s need for “spiritual renewal” was brought in. Much of Hungarian history was rewritten, full citizenship was offered to Hungarians living outside its borders and there was a media clampdown. Mr. Orban concentrated state institutions in party hands. The much talked about war on corruption was nothing more than a war on the previous government’s corruption. Some saw the Putinization of Hungary.

 

The EU and the United States denounced the shortcomings in Hungarian democracy, but nothing changed. On the bright side, Hungary got its fiscal house in order, unemployment dropped and more people paid taxes.

 

The refugee crisis opened a new rift with the EU. Central Europeans, with no experience with immigration, accustomed to being given money instead of giving it, and pointing to their largely failed experience with the Roma, did not want to take refugees. They were also tired of being told what to do.

 

Mr. Orban says his referendum exposes the flaws of the EU. He rages about the EU’s two biggest linked failures: Brexit and refugees. He calls for stronger borders to defend not just Hungary, but Europe, too. Mr. Orban’s message is simple: European civilization faces extinction.

 

And so the EU is left with a very big question: Does what happens in Budapest, Bratislava, Prague or Warsaw even matter? Central Europeans, largely as victims of history, have often shaped the future of Europe. This time around, they seek a new future that means the darker side of the nation-state is back. If Europe’s mainstream parties cannot get their acts together, the future of Europe may well be national populists with their dangerous dreams of national renewal.

[Dagmar]

http://rs.n1info.com/a198756/Vesti/Vesti/Protest-migranata-u-Beogradu.html

 

jbt, sta je ovo? prvo su organizovali protest protiv madjarske u sred beograda, onda u znak tog istog protesta krenuli ka madjarskoj koja je tu iza coska, pa se vratili da mlate one koji ih nisu podrzali u tom genijalnom planu.

 

meni je fascinantno koliko ti ljudi imaju iluzija o evropi, i koliko uopste ne poznaju prilike. pod jedan, krivi smo svi mi beli ljudi sto smo im razvalili drzavu, pa smo im nesto i duzni (to sam slusao izmedju ostalog i od lika koji sticajem okolnosti zivi duze vreme u srbiji). poimanje koncepta postojanja vise razlicitih drzava im se zavrsava po izlasku iz turske. a kada se docepaju zapada histerisu jer ne dobiju odmah sopstveni stan, vec moraju da ga dele. plus ovi mladji misle kako evropljanke, koje suu inace sve odreda drolje, samo njih cekaju. sto je mit koji podgrevaju babe koje su se sjatile oko izbeglickih centara. tragicno je kad vidis sta sve oni zamisljaju, i ko se sve i iz kojih razloga okupio da im "pomaze".

 

Pa ISIS i jeste krenuo od razvaljivanja Iraka, posle i Libije. E sad da li su im nešto dužni, formalno ne, objektivno da. Ti ljudi nisu navaljivali na Evropu dok im nisu počeli ratovi, a ratovi su im počeli sa onim invazijama na diktatore što su imali oružje za masovno uništenje da unište svet. Ovo je posledica. Mislim lepše bi nam svinma bilo da su prosto legli svi da umru, ali eto neki neće, bezobrazni su.

[Krošek]

ljudi su navalili kada ih je nemacka pozvala da dodju krajem avgusta prosle godine. to je neposredni uzrok navale, a rat je posredni.

[Dagmar]

ljudi su navalili kada ih je nemacka pozvala da dodju krajem avgusta prosle godine. to je neposredni uzrok navale, a rat je posredni.

 

Našla sam negde da je to povećalo broj onih koji dolaze za 50%, možda je netačan broj, ali ako je iole tačan to znači da je Merkelin poziv samo povećao navalu (što nije ni čudo).

[frit]

merkelova za sve kriva

eto, da znam

[Miralem]

Pa ISIS i jeste krenuo od razvaljivanja Iraka, posle i Libije. E sad da li su im nešto dužni, formalno ne, objektivno da. Ti ljudi nisu navaljivali na Evropu dok im nisu počeli ratovi, a ratovi su im počeli sa onim invazijama na diktatore što su imali oružje za masovno uništenje da unište svet. Ovo je posledica. Mislim lepše bi nam svinma bilo da su prosto legli svi da umru, ali eto neki neće, bezobrazni su.

ali diktatore su skidali uglavnom beli ljudi preko bare, uz minornu i apsolutno nebitnu pomoc evropskih podrepasa. oni su im duzni, a ne srbi i ostali beli ljudi drugog reda, ili skandinavci. pa cak ni nemacka.

[Dagmar]

ali diktatore su skidali uglavnom beli ljudi preko bare, uz minornu i apsolutno nebitnu pomoc evropskih podrepasa. oni su im duzni, a ne srbi i ostali beli ljudi drugog reda, ili skandinavci. pa cak ni nemacka.

 

 

Apsolutno nebitna pomoć Evrope je u slučaju Libije iznosila davanje baza po Grčkoj, Italiji i gde sve ne za poletanje, i davanje aviona i ljudstva za napade iz jedno 20 zemalja. Irak su odbili, to fakat, svi sem Engleza. Ali ono, ni mi nismo bili ništa krivi kad su nam došli Turci na 400 godina, tako da...

 

Mislim da se razumemo, ne bih ni ja Arape direktno iz Azije i Afrike za komšije, ali nisu nešto ni dolazili dok im beli čovek nije uništio zemlje i gurnuo ih u haos.

[bigvlada]

I Hrvati i mi smo liferovali sve JNA viškove na dotično podneblje tako da ako su SAD i VB posredno krivi za genocid koji se sprovodi u Jemenu, i mi smo posredno krivi za povećan broj mrtvih u Iraku i Siriji. Ne mnogo ali dovoljno da se ne pravimo blesavi da to nema veze sa nama.