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Erdogan predao tužbu, zamenik turskog premijera rekao da je u pitanju "zločin protiv čovečnosti".

http://www.zeit.de/politik/2016-04/jan-boehmermann-tuerkei-ermittlungen-schmaehgedicht-menschlichkeit (na nemačkom)

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Erdo podseca na naseg labuda, samo jos mocniji i opasniji. Po samu Tursku i okolne zemlje.

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taman.

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/the-guardian-view-on-the-jan-bohmermann-affair-no-joke

 

Angela će posle izbora u ludnicu. Vađenje devetnaestovekovnih zakona kako bi se umilio turski kalif. 

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opasne fotke sa AfD kongresa

 

autor Herman Bredehorst

[Prospero]

Bundestag passes Armenia 'genocide' resolution unanimously, Turkey recalls ambassador

The resolution in the lower house of the German parliament, the Bundestag, was passed almost unanimously. It could nevertheless lead to a diplomatic row with Turkey.

 

 

Germany's Bundestag passed a resolution qualifying the Ottoman era Armenian killings as 'genocide'. The lower house of parliament voted almost unanimously, with one vote against the motion and one abstention. House speaker Norbert Lammert spoke of a "remarkable majority."

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, and the leader of the Social Democrats, Sigmar Gabriel, failed to attend the vote on account of other appointments. Critics have said, however, that they deliberately attempted to dodge a difficult vote. Chancellor Merkel did, however, announce after the passing of the resolution that the Bundestag decision to designate the Ottoman killings of Christian Armenians as genocide did not detract from Germany's "amicable and strategic" relationship with Turkey.

Armenia's Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian praised the decision as "Germany's valuable contribution not only to the international recognition and condemnation of the Armenian Genocide, but also to the universal fight for the prevention of genocides, crimes against humanity."

Diplomatic row

 

Recently elected Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim blamed "the racist Armenian lobby" for the passing of the resolution and announced that he has called Turkey's Berlin ambassador Hüsein Avni Karslioglu to report in Ankara in response to the vote in the Bundestag. Yildirim claimed that Turkey had nothing in its past that it needed to be ashamed of.

"Ours is a country that prides itself with its past," Yildirim said and added on Twitter that the resolution was "truly testing Germany's friendship with Turkey."

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had said ahead of the resolution that it could damage "diplomatic, economic, business, political and military ties" between the two countries - a sentiment later repeated by the spokesman of the ruling AK Party, which Erdogan founded. Erdogan later stressed that the recalling of the ambassador was only a "first step."

Supporters held Armenian flags in front of the Reichstag, the seat of the lower house of parliament in Berlin

 

The Turkish parliament, known as the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, had earlier issued a statement in cooperation with Turkey's Commission for Foreign Affairs criticizing the draft resolution:

"We strongly condemn and reject this unlawful motion brought before the Bundestag, for which historical truths relating to the events of 1915 were deliberately distorted," it read.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavusoglu went a step further and implied that Germany was not trying to avoid ahving to deal with its own history, saying on Twitter that "irresponsible and unfounded parliamentary decisions designed to denigrate another country's history amount to no way of going about closing the dark chapters of one's own history."

 

Meanwhile armed riot police were deployed to outside the German consulate in Istanbul in case of protests.

 

Turkey in isolation

However, it is unlikely that the passing of the resolution would actually put a dent in bilateral affairs, as there are no legal consequences associated with the vote. Turkey has in the past called in ambassadors during similar political disagreements as was the case in 2015 when Austria, Luxembourg and the Vatican passed similar resolutions with regard to the Armenian massacre.

Michael Brand, head of the parliamentary committee on human rights, stressed that he doubted Germany's relationship with Turkey would suffer after the resolution:

"I can't imagine that Turkey, which is currently finding itself isolated in its foreign policies in the face of mounting pressure from IS and the PKK, could afford to sever its ties with Germany - one of its most reliable partners," he told reporters. "This isn't about embarrassing Turkey but about articulating a historical truth. We cannot apply tact when it comes to the truth."

German complicity

The co-leader of Germany's Green party, Cem Özdemir, who has a Turkish background, told reporters that Germany was even involved in the massacres 101 years ago, highlighting that the German Empire at the time provided the Ottoman Empire with the weapons needed to carry out such war crimes. Özdemir added that the German Empire had also sent military consultants, who supported and fought with the Ottomans.

Green Party co-chair Cem Özdemir held an impassionate speech in the Bundestag calling for reconciliation between Turks and Armenians

 

"They knew exactly what was going on," Özdemir said. "In this respect we're guilty of complicity, and have to admit this."

During the parliamentary hearing, Germany's former Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung admitted that the German Empire allowed the events to happen and supported them quietly.

"Only those who recognize the past can take part in shaping the future," he said. "We want this resolution to revive the process of reconciliation (between Turkey and Armenia)."

Both politicians also called on parliament to address another past massacre, this time actively carried out by the German Empire. In what is Namibia today, up to 100,000 Herero and 10,000 Nama tribal people were reportedly killed under German colonial rule. The massacres took place between 1904 and 1907 and are commonly referred to as the first genocide of the 20th century.

 

A reflection of the state of affairs in Turkey

Özdemir and other parliamentarians said during the debate ahead of the vote that current generations or Turks were not to be held guilty of the crimes, but responsible for remembering them - "in the same manner that Germans were responsible for remembering the events of the Holocaust."

Özdemir pointed out that the question of the Armenian massacre also reflected deteriorating freedom of expression in Turkey, affecting all levels of society - including parliamentarians:

"When I go home tonight I won't be arrested or beaten. This isn't true for my colleagues in Turkey fighting for Armenians."

 

Consequences beyond diplomatic ties

 

Murat Kayman, head of Germany's Turkish-Islamic Union of Religious Institutions (DITIB), said that the resolution would not only affect relations between Berlin and Ankara but would also aggravate relations between Germans and Turks in Germany.

Many representatives of Germany's 3 million-strong minority with a Turkish background (half of which have been naturalized as German citizens) had protested against the resolution on the streets of Berlin and elsewhere in Germany.

 

Jaklin Chatschadorian, chairman of Germany's Central Council of Armenians, meanwhile said that the resolution would help the Armenian community in Germany and beyond.

"It will mean that we (descendants) can finally depart from having to continually justify ourselves and enable us to refer to the fact that the genocide is a recognized fact in Germany and in many other countries," he said.

"This is a necessary reply to Turkey's highly professional policy of denial."

 

Key points of disagreement

 

One of the Turkish government's objections, albeit only a technical issue, is the fact that "genocide" was only introduced as a term in international law by the United Nations in 1948 following the events during the Holocaust, and was only made law in 1951. The mass murder of Armenians, however, predated the end of World War II by 30 years.

Turkey has repeatedly criticized the wording, claiming that the term 'genocide' conjured up images of the Holocaust and other industrial-scale killings.

Another issue that Turkey disagrees with is the question of whether the deaths were premeditated. According to international law, however, the term "genocide" also includes the deliberate degeneration of living conditions for entire ethnic groups as well as their forced deportation and starvation, regardless of the result.

 

Turkey engaged in what historians call a meticulously planned resettlement policy for Armenians, whom they blamed among others for undermining the Ottoman Empire in its dying days at the height of World War I.

Turkey also questions the number of deaths, with official numbers varying from 800,000 to 1.5 million victims. Qualifying for "genocide" under international law, however, does not take numbers into account.

 

[Prospero]

In an interview with weekly paper Die Zeit, Mr Schäuble rejected the idea Europe could close its borders to immigrants, and said: “Isolation is what would ruin us – it would lead us into incest.”

 

Taking aim at opponents of Germany’s border policies, he said: “Muslims are an enrichment of our openness and our diversity.”

“Look at the third generation of Turks, especially the women. That is an enormous innovation potential,” he added.

 

Prolupao čovek

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Izgleda udarila krečana kod Herr Obersta. Ka'će izbori tamo, dogodine?

[Prospero]

Da, jesen 2017.

 

by Tapatalk

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Prolupao čovek

 

Pa dobro, s obzirom da su Nemci u pitanju, čak i ovo lupetanje zvuči bolje od ,,svi vi ima da se vratite kućama kada prestane potreba za vašom radnom snagom" pristupa

[Dagmar]

Meni je to skroz logično, naravno da će žene Turkinje, pre svega treća generacija imigrantkinja, sprečiti ulaženje u incest. Svi elementi su tu, ako nećeš sa sestrom, onda je neophodna Turkinja, mora biti žensko, jer valjda nisi gej, a treća generacija jer nisi toliki manijak da se upuštaš u seksualne aktivnosti sa prvom generacijom Turkinja gastarbajterki (sem ko baš voli). Izjava je potpuno smislena i sasvim odlična.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Dagmar

[Anduril]

Meni se vise cini da se po starom dobrom obicaju na PPP, obicne generalizacije i predrasude zacinjuju povrsnim informisanjem.

 

 

 

"Die Abschottung ist doch das, was uns kaputt machen würde, was uns in Inzucht degenerieren ließe. Für uns sind Muslime in Deutschland eine Bereicherung unserer Offenheit und unserer Vielfalt. Schauen Sie sich doch mal die dritte Generation der Türken an, gerade auch die Frauen! Das ist doch ein enormes innovatorisches Potenzial!"

 

Dakle, Sojble ovde u kontekstu ne misli na bioloski incest nego to koristi kao metaforicki kontrast naspram otvorenosti i raznovrsnosti drustva koja nije ogranicena samo na biologiju. Obicna mejnstrim izjava.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Anduril

[Prospero]

Jes, niko nije ukapirao da je reč metaforična, a i da takva nije nešto što se žovijalno baca unaokolo da se pokaže trivijalna poenta.