Cort0 Maltese Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Ima tamo gde je neka drzava zeli. Evo recimo ako Srbija bude zelela. A kako se to uvrdjuje? Evo kod nas u RH nije bio ni referendum, a dobili smo NATO. Nitko nas nije pitao zelimo li to... Podrska za EU u Ukrajini po Gallupu: Zapad:84% Sjever: 59% Centralna Ukrajina:42% Juzna: 26% Istocna: 19% Podrska pristupanju NATO paktu: Zapad: 53% Sjever: 37% Centralna Ukrajina: 32% Juzna: 10% Istocna: 13% http://www.bbg.gov/wp-content/media/2014/06/Ukraine-slide-deck.pdf Dakle, apsolutna vecina Ukrajinaca ne zeli NATO i EU. Zasto onda oni pokusavaju siriti svoju zonu utjecaja na nju?
Anduril Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Kad vec postavljas podatke, stavi i kako se Kremlj kotira - u tri regiona 1-2.4%. Slucajno si zaboravio.
Anduril Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Ma da jadna Poljska .., nevina žrtva dvaju totalitarizama. Nisam ni sumjao da su po tebi milioni stradali je su nesto skrivili.
Cort0 Maltese Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Kad vec postavljas podatke, stavi i kako se Kremlj kotira - u tri regiona 1-2.4%. Slucajno si zaboravio. Nije srusen legalno izabrani predsjednik pucem zbog toga sto nije htio u rusko narucje, nego zato sto nije htio u EU. Za koju vecina nije bila u Kijevu, da ne govorimo o ostalima.
Anduril Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Nije srusen legalno izabrani predsjednik pucem zbog toga sto nije htio u rusko narucje, nego zato sto nije htio u EU. Za koju vecina nije bila u Kijevu, da ne govorimo o ostalima. Mozda onda postavis neko istrazivanje pre krize?
Cort0 Maltese Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Mozda onda postavis neko istrazivanje pre krize? Evo: Pod pretpostavkom da su ispitali jednak broj ljudi s istoka, iz centra i sa zapada, prosjek je i za EU i za Rusiju 42%.
apostata Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Nisam ni sumjao da su po tebi milioni stradali je su nesto skrivili. A ja opet nisam ni sumnjao da tvoj komentar može proći bez nekakvog imbecilnog zaključka.
Eraserhead Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Oni su radikalni nacionalisti koji bi da nema Rusije nasli nekog drugog zlog neprijatelja koji vreba. Jeste da primamljivost takvih pokreta raste kada je nacija ugrozena, sve to stoji, ali oni su bili pre toga i bice i posle. Uostalom njihovom visokom profilu je daleko vise doprinela ukrajinska drzava koja ih je prigrlila kao najmilije saveznike nego sam Putin. Kao i kod nas 90ih, imao si raznorazne budale, dobrovoljce, pokrete i slicno koji su isli na ratiste (ili samo galamili o svemu tome) ali samo oni koji su imali drzavnu medijsku podrsku (recimo Arkan) su mogli da postignu i neki politicki rezultat. Apsolutno ne zelim da aboliram ukrajinsku politicku elitu odgovornosti, samo navodim da i ruska pretnja doprinosi stvaranju ekstremista. Zacarani krug. Da je Rusija ovo pametnije izvela ne bi Desni sektor ni postojao. Znaci samo Amerika moze nezvana u goste? Ne moze ni Amerika. Zato i pricamo o Iraku na nacin na koji pricamo. S druge strane nismo pljuvali ni sve ruske intervencije. Recimo u Gruziji su Gruzini uglavnom napravili glupost sami sebi. Ali ova odmazda nad Ukrajinom zbog promene vlasti je jednostavno zlocin. Aha. A jel' to neki opšteprihvaćeni princip pa ga Rusija ne priznaje ili je to nešto što bi trebalo da važi samo za Rusiju? edit: Filips zadržan na aerodromu prilikom povratka u V.B. To je princip koji treba da vazi za sve. Tog smrada je trebalo da posalju u Rusiju.
Prospero Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Apsolutno ne zelim da aboliram ukrajinsku politicku elitu odgovornosti, samo navodim da i ruska pretnja doprinosi stvaranju ekstremista. Zacarani krug. Da je Rusija ovo pametnije izvela ne bi Desni sektor ni postojao. pazi sad ovo: 'svoboda' je izduvala na jesenjim izborima a desnosektorovci ionako ili ginu na frontu ili dobijaju batina po unutrasnjosti. u tom smislu, ruska intervencija je plodonosna za čišćenje desničarskih ekipa sa političke scene.
hazard Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Apsolutno ne zelim da aboliram ukrajinsku politicku elitu odgovornosti, samo navodim da i ruska pretnja doprinosi stvaranju ekstremista. Zacarani krug. Da je Rusija ovo pametnije izvela ne bi Desni sektor ni postojao. Desni sektor bi postojao taman sve da je Ukrajina 1993. ušla u NATO i EU, kao što postoje slične idiotske organizacije od Škotske do Jermenije
Cort0 Maltese Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Apsolutno ne zelim da aboliram ukrajinsku politicku elitu odgovornosti, samo navodim da i ruska pretnja doprinosi stvaranju ekstremista. Zacarani krug. Da je Rusija ovo pametnije izvela ne bi Desni sektor ni postojao. Jasta, 25 godina skoro im svakodnevno ruska agresija visi nad glavom. Da Amerika i ukrajinski fasisti nisu htjeli rat, rata ne bi bilo.
Anduril Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 A ja opet nisam ni sumnjao da tvoj komentar može proći bez nekakvog imbecilnog zaključka. Izvoli, objasni onda na sta si tacno mislio. Ustvari, nemoj - vec si odavno objasnio svoje neostaljinisticke stavove. Dalja diskusija je suvisna.
Anduril Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Junak nasih dana Radek nastavlja gde je Gribauskajte stala. psihoza. Pa da, to je psihoza a ovo dole je cenim rutina: Passenger planes dodged Russian bombers 2.1K9604.5K Tuesday, March 03, 2015 Commercial jets carrying hundreds of people had to be diverted in mid-air or else prevented from taking off to avoid potential collisions with two Russian bear bombers which “cloaked” their presence during their latest incursion into Irish-controlled airspace. The Irish Examiner can reveal that the Tu-95 bombers, which flew just 40km off the coast, criss-crossed into major civilian airline traffic lanes, including incoming flights from North America on February 18. Following the first publicised incursion two weeks previously, the Department of Foreign Affairs signalled its officials had spoken to the Russian ambassador and sought reassurances that its military aircraft would not fly into our area of control without advance notification, especially if their transponders were off. However, that request seems to have fallen on deaf ears in the Kremlin. After an investigation by the Irish Examiner, the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) admitted that on February 18 the Russian bombers — which flew at 8,200m around the west, south, and east coasts, had caused problems for civilian aircraft operating in our airspace. The IAA said its air traffic controllers were notified by British counterparts that they needed to take action to ensure the safety of commercial aircraft, because yet again the Russian bombers had entered our area of airspace control with their transponders turned off. If transponders are turned on, they notify air traffic controllers of the type of aircraft, their height, location, and other information. The IAA statement confirmed “the Russian military aircraft did not have their transponders switched on at the time” and, at the request of British counterparts, they took action to ensure that “one aircraft’s departure from Dublin was delayed”, as it could have flown into the path of the bear bombers which were by that time in British-controlled airspace. The IAA also confirmed that “as a precautionary measure to ensure safety was maintained, the routing of one en route aircraft was changed to ensure that its track was sufficiently separated from the track of the two Russian military aircraft”. The first Russian incursion into Irish-controlled airspace was 88km off the coast. The second was much nearer, just 19km outside our sovereign airspace and the incursion lasted from 3pm to 7pm. In both cases, the bombers travelled toward British airspace, where they were met by RAF Typhoon jets. Defence Minister Simon Coveney said the Government “was clearly not happy” that Ireland was not told that Russian bombers were approaching on Irish airspace with their transponders turned off again. However, he added: “I’d be surprised if it was a Russian tactic to upset Ireland, and the IAA managed the incident safely and effectively.” It is believed that the Russians were testing British air defences and sending a message to London that they did not want any political interference in their internal affairs or in Ukraine. He said further interaction with the Russians over their incursions into Irish-controlled airspace without prior notification and with transponders switched off was a matter for the Department of Foreign Affairs. However, Fianna Fáil spokesman on foreign affairs Brendan Smith said it was time the Government dealt with Russia at the highest levels. He said Mr Coveney and Foreign Minister Charlie Flanagan must speak to their Russian counterparts.
Аврам Гојић Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Ne, i to je ratna psihoza. Što uvek moraš tako manihejski čoveče...
apostata Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Izvoli, objasni onda na sta si tacno mislio. Ustvari, nemoj - vec si odavno objasnio svoje neostaljinisticke stavove. Dalja diskusija je suvisna. Nisam ja tebi ni mislio išta objašnjavati. Čovjeku koji je onomad izjavio (parafraziram): "Taktičke diplomatske igre 30-tih nemaju nikakve veze sa Dogovorom potpisanim '39. u Moskvi", bilo šta objašnjavati je uzaludno. Npr. čitanje telefonskog imenika je u odnosu na to mnogo, mnogo korisniji posao. Jednostavno stvar je u sledećem - ja se ne miješam kada se baviš analitičkim gnojenjem vezanim za dnevnu politiku ... to nije moj resor. Ali zato ću ti uvijek pokazati da sam tu, kada god počneš praviti krenkovske izlete u istoriju. A ono za neostaljinizam, dobro je da me nisi nazvao rusofilskim fašistom, pošto za rusofoba tvog kalibra bilo kakvo afirmativno pisanje ne samo o SSSR-u, nego o Rusiji uopšte, drugačije i ne može biti okarakterisano.
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