Sirija

[vememah]

Britanka niije rekla da je Marks Rus, ali je rekla da je Rusija osnovana na njegovim principima: "In respect of Karl Marx, I think he must be turning in his grave to see what the country that was founded on many of his precepts is doing in the name of supporting Syria by condoning the use of CW on Syrian territory."

 

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[theanswer]

40 minutes ago, Ayatollah said:

 Celo ovo ludilo oko Sirije koje traje od pre neki dan je usmereno protiv Rusije, krenulo je čim se utišala situacija oko Skripalja i njegove ćerke, i sad bukvalno samo od Putina zavisi da li će da istrpi i ovu provokaciju ili ćemo krenuti na put bez povratka...

 

 

 

+1000

 

Jasno je svima koji poblize prate situaciju tamo da je ovo jedini razlog. Nista drugo nije ni izbliza logicno

[Eraserhead]

8 minutes ago, theanswer said:

 

+1000

 

Jasno je svima koji poblize prate situaciju tamo da je ovo jedini razlog. Nista drugo nije ni izbliza logicno

 

Skroz ima logike da je njih 30 poludelo i oce da ocerupa Rusiju a nikako nema logike da je taj jedan poludeo poceo da ratuje i likvidira kako mu je volja.

[namenski]

2 hours ago, Eraserhead said:

Skroz ima logike da je njih 30 poludelo i oce da ocerupa Rusiju a nikako nema logike da je taj jedan poludeo poceo da ratuje i likvidira kako mu je volja.

Jeste, kako da nije: potezanje Marksa  dokazuje da nesto debelo nije u redu kako sa psihickim stanjem, tako sa elementarnim znanjem potezaca.

Obaska nizak i prenizak nivo same 'argumentacije': ima smisla jedino kao sredstvo da se jos vise potpiri antiruska histerija i u mozgu prosecnog zapadnog zombi gradjanina napravi pikantan dodatak koji ce da zasmrdi na ruski komunizam

 

Inace, najodvratniji je stepen neznanja: Marks je bukvalno mrzeo Rusiju i Ruse i to na mnogo siroj osnovi od savremenog odnosa prema ruskom samodrzavlju i reakcionarnoj ulozi Rusije u gusenju naprednih evropskih pokreta.

Jedna od najblazih formulacija je da su 'Rusi otpad istorije...', citirano po secanju, a izvora i soicnih izjava raznim povodima ima onoliko.

[Simon]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airspace/eurocontrol-warns-airlines-of-possible-missile-strikes-into-syria-idUSKBN1HI01E

[Eraserhead]

1 hour ago, namenski said:

Jeste, kako da nije: potezanje Marksa  dokazuje da nesto debelo nije u redu kako sa psihickim stanjem, tako sa elementarnim znanjem potezaca.

Obaska nizak i prenizak nivo same 'argumentacije': ima smisla jedino kao sredstvo da se jos vise potpiri antiruska histerija i u mozgu prosecnog zapadnog zombi gradjanina napravi pikantan dodatak koji ce da zasmrdi na ruski komunizam

 

Inace, najodvratniji je stepen neznanja: Marks je bukvalno mrzeo Rusiju i Ruse i to na mnogo siroj osnovi od savremenog odnosa prema ruskom samodrzavlju i reakcionarnoj ulozi Rusije u gusenju naprednih evropskih pokreta.

Jedna od najblazih formulacija je da su 'Rusi otpad istorije...', citirano po secanju, a izvora i soicnih izjava raznim povodima ima onoliko.

 

Zanimljiv princip po kome se biraju potpuno nebitne pojedinacne gluposti i od njih pravi indikator globalne strategije. Sto je babi namenskoj milo...

[namenski]

22 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

 

Zanimljiv princip po kome se biraju potpuno nebitne pojedinacne gluposti i od njih pravi indikator globalne strategije. Sto je babi namenskoj milo...

Erazere, moj tupane mali, ne radi se ovde o principu, nego o nivou prema kome je prosecna srpska prodavnica sa okupljenim pivopijama i bistriteljima politike 1 RAND korporacija...

A babu mi ne diraj, tek ona bi umrla od smeha na budalastine koje ispaljujete ti i ovi tvoji

[Bejbl]

7 hours ago, Eraserhead said:

 

Skroz ima logike da je njih 30 poludelo i oce da ocerupa Rusiju a nikako nema logike da je taj jedan poludeo poceo da ratuje i likvidira kako mu je volja.

 

Ako je indikator ludila "želja za ratom", onda su tih 30 odavno izludeli.

Čak ni mašte više nemaju, jer od Iraka nisu izmaštali nijedan drugi razlog za ratni pohod do famoznih hemijskih napada oružjem za masovno uništenje.

[Eraserhead]

2 hours ago, namenski said:

Erazere, moj tupane mali, ne radi se ovde o principu, nego o nivou prema kome je prosecna srpska prodavnica sa okupljenim pivopijama i bistriteljima politike 1 RAND korporacija...

A babu mi ne diraj, tek ona bi umrla od smeha na budalastine koje ispaljujete ti i ovi tvoji

 

Ne volim kad mi se tako nervirate ti i drugari. Tek onda pocinjes da trokiras i da pricas nepovezano. Ovde pricamo o tome da li je ~30 mahom najnaprednijih i najdemokratskijih zemalja odlepilo i odlucilo da rusima ukrade sav borsc ili je jedan autokratski diktator svojim imperijalistickim zeljama, sukobima i likvidacijama do toga doveo. Meni logicnije deluje da je ovo drugo u pitanju posebno ako se uzme u obzir ponasanje obe strane. 

 

Seti se kako je naivni Obama hteo da resetuje odnose a zaboravio je da ce svetska zavera postati glavna tema kad stvari krenu nizbrdo po severnu mongoliju.

 

Pa evo posle njega tramp. Covek sa simpatijama prema bitangama ergo i Putinu. Pa smo opet blizi WW3 nego ikad.

 

ko je tu igrac koji se ne menja dok se svi ostali menjaju?

Edited April 11, 2018 by Eraserhead

[koksy]

 

 

 

 

[Anduril]

Jedini nacin da se ovo deeskalira je da se posalje ekipa inspektora UN/organizacija za ogranicavanje hemijskog naoruzanja na teren i utvrdi sta se dogodilo.

Upravo Kremlju bi ovo trebalo da odgovara i zato nije jasno zasto blokiraju.

Sa ovo budalom Trampom sve je moguce a sada je i Bolton na opasnom mestu, na sta sam upozoravao. 

O Izraelu i Saudima da ne pricam. A Macron ima ogroman minus sto se uopste trti u sve to.

Sve ovo je izuzetno opasno i bilo je lako za predvideti...

[Čutura]

7 minutes ago, Anduril said:

Jedini nacin da se ovo deeskalira je da se posalje ekipa inspektora UN/organizacija za ogranicavanje hemijskog naoruzanja na teren i utvrdi sta se dogodilo.

Upravo Kremlju bi ovo trebalo da odgovara i zato nije jasno zasto blokiraju.

Sa ovo budalom Trampom sve je moguce a sada je i Bolton na opasnom mestu, na sta sam upozoravao. 

O Izraelu i Saudima da ne pricam. A Macron ima ogroman minus sto se uopste trti u sve to.

Sve ovo je izuzetno opasno i bilo je lako za predvideti...

 

valjda iz istog razloga iz kojeg su i amerikanci blokirali ruski predlog...niko ne veruje tudjem vilijamu vokeru..

[vememah]

20 minutes ago, Anduril said:

Jedini nacin da se ovo deeskalira je da se posalje ekipa inspektora UN/organizacija za ogranicavanje hemijskog naoruzanja na teren i utvrdi sta se dogodilo.

Upravo Kremlju bi ovo trebalo da odgovara i zato nije jasno zasto blokiraju.

Istine radi, nije samo Kremlj blokirao već i Zapad: glasalo se o ukupno tri rezolucije. Kina je bila uzdržana na zapadni predlog, a glasala je za oba ruska.

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The key difference between the two drafts is that the US one would mandate an inquiry to lay blame for chemical weapons attacks in Syria, while the Russian draft would require investigators to report to the Security Council, which would then attribute responsibility.
Russia also asked the council to vote on a second new draft resolution on Tuesday that would specifically support sending investigators from the global chemical weapons watchdog to the site of an alleged deadly attack last Saturday.
“US, UK and France can prove they want to establish truth by supporting this move,” Russia’s Deputy UN Ambassador Dmitry Polyanskiy posted on Twitter on Tuesday.

 

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1282416/middle-east

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By the terms of a draft resolution submitted by the United States — which was not adopted, following a vote of 12 in favour to 2 against (Bolivia, Russian Federation) with 1 abstention (China), owing to a veto by the Russian Federation — the Council would have established the United Nations independent mechanism for an initial period of one year.  It would have requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations about the mechanism including its terms of reference, based on the principles of impartiality, independence and professionalism, to identify those responsible for the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
...
The representative of the Russian Federation, also speaking following its veto, said the United States was attempting to mislead the international community.  The draft would have been an attempt to recreate the Joint Investigative Mechanism — whose mandate had not been renewed in late 2017 — which had become a puppet of anti-Damascus forces and shamed itself by rendering a guilty verdict against a sovereign State with no evidence.  The new mechanism, as proposed by the United States, would carry out an investigation with no regard to the standards set out in the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and of Their Destruction, known as the Chemical Weapons Convention, he said.

 

The Council then proceeded to vote on a competing draft submitted by the Russian Federation, also rejecting it, by a recorded vote of 6 in favour (Bolivia, China, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation) to 7 against (France, Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Sweden, United Kingdom, United States), with 2 abstentions (Côte d’Ivoire, Kuwait).

 

By the terms of that text, the Council would have established a United Nations independent mechanism of investigation, also for an initial period of one year, and urged it to fully ensure a truly impartial, independent, professional and credible way to conduct its investigation.  It would have further directed the mechanism to make full use of all credible, verified and corroborated evidence collected by the OPCW fact-finding mission, while also directing it to collect and examine additional information and sources not obtained or prepared by the mission, including all information provided by the Government of Syria and others on the activities of non-State actors.

 

The representative of the United Kingdom, speaking after that vote, described the Russian Federation’s draft as a “distraction” and noted that its sponsor had sought no input from other delegations.  It was inappropriate to set up any “quasi-judicial” investigation, she stressed, adding that the text also applied a selective approach to the OPCW parameters.  Above all, the draft was unacceptable because it sought to assert that sovereign States were above international law.  “This is breath-taking in its arrogance and its ignorance,” she emphasized.
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Following the failure of the Russian Federation’s text, that same delegation tabled a third draft resolution, which was shorter than the previous two.  In contrast to those texts, the third contained no proposal to establish an independent mechanism of investigation.  By its terms, the Council would reiterate its condemnation in the strongest terms of any use of any toxic chemical as a weapon in Syria, express its alarm at allegations of the use of such substances in Douma on 7 April, and express its full support to the OPCW fact-finding mission.

 

Following a suspension during which Council members held consultations on that draft, delegates ultimately failed to adopt it by a vote of 5 in favour (Bolivia, China, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation) to 4 against (France, Poland, United Kingdom, United States), with 6 abstentions (Côte d’Ivoire, Equatorial Guinea, Kuwait, Netherlands, Peru, Sweden).

 

https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13288.doc.htm

 

Na linku ima i šta je ko tačno pričao na sednici.

Edited April 11, 2018 by vememah

[placenik]

Kako ovo izgleda, vest bi mogla i da se napise kao NATO stopirao Rusku rezoluciju. Naravno, UN je ionako mrtvo puvalo...

[Anduril]

Koliko vidim, kremaljski predlog podrazumeva da i dalje SB odlucuje ko je kriv na kraju. Dakle, standardna smejurija koja nema nikakve veze sa bilo kakvim pravom.