Lezilebovich Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Eraserhead said: Napad hemijskim oruzjem na civile ne treba da prodje nekaznjeno. Pretpostavljam da se oko ovoga apsolutno svi slažu na PPP, ali bi bilo dobro imati neki dokaz da je napada stvarno bilo. Link to comment
namenski Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Lezilebovich said: Pretpostavljam da se oko ovoga apsolutno svi slažu na PPP, ali bi bilo dobro imati neki dokaz da je napada stvarno bilo. Ovo jeste klizav teren, ali - nema niti bi smelo da bude kaznjavanja olako, onako kako kome dune: videli smo dokle dovodi i kakve su posledice raznih kaznjavanjatm u svetu posle Hladnog rata, ili da pojednostavim - ne moze i ne sme da kaznjava dezurni revolveras, kaznjavanje ima smisla jedino ako je po zakonu. Link to comment
marv Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, radisa said: Ček, ovde se neki stvarno ne boje rata između USA i Rusije? Kao, ono, neće valjda™ krenuti sa nukovanjem? Neće valjdaizam™ je siguan put u propast... Šta je to toliko jebeno značajno u toj Siriji da su spremni da toliko ratuju? Jebao jedne vojni lobi mala patka predsednika i kruga oko njega i druge raspali diktatori... ja sam ubedjen da nece sigurno, ne bi dozvolili oligarhi sa obe strane, posebno ovi americki kojih ima mnogo vise i koji su bogatiji od ruskih kolega 25 minutes ago, radisa said: +1, to je to... Ne znam kako je bilo za vreme kubanske krize, da li su se ljudi bojali dugmeta™, ali sa ove distance, mislim da su svi znli da ga niko neće stisnuti... Sad, ja sam ubeđen da pojedini jedva čekaju da ga stisnu i pokažu da to nije ništa strašno... Par desetina-stotina milona mrtvih i malo kontaminacije zemlje, kao da je to bog zna šta... ako bi obe strane ispraznili celi arsenal ne bi to bilo samo par stotina miliona, valjda bi to bio kraj covecanstva Link to comment
vememah Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Rusi su pre dve nedelje optužili pobunjenike da imaju nameru da insceniraju hemijski napad. Quote Syria’s Eastern Ghouta militants prepare chemical attack provocation, Russian MoD tipped off Published time: 20 Mar, 2018 00:13 Edited time: 20 Mar, 2018 12:07 Militants holed up in Eastern Ghouta are preparing to stage a “false flag” attack to accuse the Syrian government forces of using chemical weapons against civilians, Russia’s Defense Ministry said, citing a tip from a local. On Monday, the Russian Reconciliation Center received a phone call from one of the residents of the al-Wanar quarter of Eastern Ghouta, who warned of possible preparations for a “provocation” with the use of chemical agents. According to the tip-off, Tahrir al-Sham (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra) terrorists have placed “hermetically sealed containers,” which could contain poisonous substances, next to a self-engineered turbine on one of the roofs in the Damascus suburb. “The terrorists, according to [the caller], could use those preparations to spray chemical agents in residential areas, which will lead to a large number of casualties among civilians,” Major-General Yuri Yevtushenko announced on Monday. “The mass poisoning of civilians will be used to accuse the government troops of the use of chemical weapons against peaceful citizens.” This is not the first time Moscow has raised concerns about possible provocations using chemical agents in Syria. Russia believes that such an attack will be widely covered in the Western media and may ultimately be used as a pretext by the US-led coalition to launch strikes against Syrian government forces. Washington repeatedly warned that it would conduct more air strikes against Syrian forces if chemical weapons are used in the country. French President Emmanuel Macron also promised to “strike” Syria if any evidence emerges that chemical weapons were used against civilians. https://www.rt.com/news/421753-syria-ghouta-chemical-provocation/ Duma je najveći grad u Istočnoj Guti. Međutim, danas je njihov ambasador u Briselu u intervjuu Euronewsu ustvrdio da napada nije ni bilo. Quote Russia's ambassador to the EU tells euronews there was no chemical attack in Douma By Euronews last updated: 10/04/2018 Russia's ambassador to the EU tells euronews there was no chemical attack in Douma Russia's ambassador to the European Union, Vladimir Chizov, has been talking to the euronews bureau in Brussels. Our correspondent Andrei Beketov started by putting it to him that the whole world with the exception of Russia has been shocked by the images of the aftermath of a purported chemical attack in Syria on Saturday. Chizov: "Russia, let me correct you, is also shocked - by yet another provocation with the so-called chemical attack in Douma, Eastern Ghouta, near Damascus. Russian military specialists have visited this region, walked on those streets, entered those houses, talked to local doctors and visited the only functioning hospital in Douma, including its basement where reportedly the mountains of corpses pile up. There was not a single corpse and even not a single person who came in for treatment after the attack." Euronews: "But we've seen them on the video!" Chizhov: "There was no chemical attack in Douma, pure and simple." Euronews: "And what did we see?" Chizhov: "We've seen another staged event. There are personnel, specifically trained - and you can guess by whom - amongst the so-called White Helmets, who were already caught in the act with staged videos." Euronews: "Nevertheless, we're heading towards a powerful U.S. strike against Syrian targets in response to such atrocity." Chizhov: "In response to something that didn't happen!" Euronews: "Still - is Russia prepared for an event like a strike that could eventually lead to Russians being hurt or even killed? Chizhov: "Russia has warned US representatives, publicly as well as through proper channels, over the grave consequences that could arise if these strikes happen and whether deliberately or otherwise Russian citizens are hurt." http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/10/russia-s-ambassador-to-the-eu-tells-euronews-there-was-no-chemical-attack-in-douma Edited April 10, 2018 by vememah Link to comment
radisa Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, marv said: ako bi obe strane ispraznili celi arsenal ne bi to bilo samo par stotina miliona, valjda bi to bio kraj covecanstva Pa nadam se da bi stali posle par komada... Link to comment
Eraserhead Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, Lezilebovich said: Pretpostavljam da se oko ovoga apsolutno svi slažu na PPP, ali bi bilo dobro imati neki dokaz da je napada stvarno bilo. Pretpostavljam da bi se kao pouzdani dokaz jedino uzeo video snimak koji kontinuirano snima od trenutka kada Asad izgovara ove reci: "Pobite tu decu" do kada rakete sa gasom pogode naseljene oblasti. Imas na prethodnoj strani clanak u kome ljudi koji su bili tamo govore o tome kako to funkcionise. Za MH17 smo bukvalno imali priznanje onih koji su oborili avion pa ipak i dan danas imamo razne "teorije". 7 minutes ago, vememah said: Rusi su pre dve nedelje optužili pobunjenike da imaju nameru da insceniraju hemijski napad. https://www.rt.com/news/421753-syria-ghouta-chemical-provocation/ Duma je najveći grad u Istočnoj Guti. Međutim, danas je njihov ambasador u Briselu u intervjuu Euronewsu ustvrdio da napada nije ni bilo. Bas zgodno, kao da su ga sami planirali. Link to comment
namenski Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, radisa said: samo par stotina miliona, Samo? Drugi svetski rat je, racuna se, kostao covecanstvo oko 50 miliona mrtvih ljudskih bica, ako ovakva poredjenja uopste imaju smisla. Link to comment
radisa Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, namenski said: Samo? Drugi svetski rat je, racuna se, kostao covecanstvo oko 50 miliona mrtvih ljudskih bica, ako ovakva poredjenja uopste imaju smisla. Bio sam sarkastičan... Mislim da je to očigledno iz tona posta... Gade mi se takve priče, a mogu se pročitati... Link to comment
namenski Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, radisa said: Bio sam sarkastičan... Mislim da je to očigledno iz tona posta... Gade mi se takve priče, a mogu se pročitati... Ma znam, aman, samo sam se nadovezao u pokusaju da nam svima bude jasnije o kakvoj se uzasnoj matematici radi i koliko smo kao vrsta nespremni da joj se suprotstavimo i koliko nemamo ni najpriblizniju predstavu kakve bi posledice i kataklizme izazvala makar i ogranicena razmena nuklearne vatre. Drustvene, medicinske, ekonomske, psiholoske... Veliko je pitanje da li bi smo, ukljucujuci i takozvane najrazvijenije znali da se nosimo sa posledicama ma i slucajnetm nuklearne eksplozije, a kamoli namerne... Edited April 10, 2018 by namenski Link to comment
dillinger Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Quote The USS Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group will depart Naval Station Norfolk, Va., Wednesday for a deployment to the Middle East and Europe. The aircraft carrier will be accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy and the guided-missile destroyers USS Arleigh Burke, USS Bulkeley, USS Forrest Sherman and USS Farragut. The destroyers USS Jason Dunham and USS The Sullivans will join the strike group later, a Navy statement said. The strike group, carrying 6,500 sailors and Carrier Air Wing One, will cruise alongside the German frigate FGS Hessen during the first half of the deployment. The German ship conducted a brief mission with the Harry S. Truman in 2010, the Navy said. https://www.stripes.com/news/truman-strike-group-departs-for-middle-east-europe-deployment-this-week-1.521207 U ovom momentu (valjda) najbliži nosač aviona. Link to comment
3opge Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, vememah said: Rusi su pre dve nedelje optužili pobunjenike da imaju nameru da insceniraju hemijski napad. https://www.rt.com/news/421753-syria-ghouta-chemical-provocation/ Duma je najveći grad u Istočnoj Guti. Međutim, danas je njihov ambasador u Briselu u intervjuu Euronewsu ustvrdio da napada nije ni bilo. naravno, iza svega stoji CIA. putincic nije naredio poloniziranje Litvinjenka, ne zna nista o trovanju Skripalja i blage veze nema sa nekakvim gasovima od kojih umiru svi ovi u Siriji. za sve su krivi izduvni gasovi i dizelasi. Link to comment
dillinger Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 ...sakrio je i irački WMD Link to comment
3opge Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, dillinger said: ...sakrio je i irački WMD hehe, malo whataboutitisma nikad ne skodi. Link to comment
steins Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Ako se ovi slonovi pošoraju nema šanse u paklu da će se izbeći nuklearno oružje. Rusi nemaju nikakav argument osim toga a i ameri su željni da isprobsju svoju tsktičku odbranu. Da ne računam nemalu kamaru vrlo moćnih likova i udruženja koji već dugo proračunavaju svoju korist od ovskve šorke. Ukratko, najebali smoSent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment
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