Sirija

[Miralem]

neki je i u faludzi. sto onda nisi drecao?

[Anduril]

2 hours ago, Miralem said:

ne trabunjaj. tvoj drugar eraser je prvi krenuo sa pricom o zlim rusima koji ubijaju iskljucivo decu. malu decu.

 

Meni vise lici na tvog drugara jer se stalno kacis za njega kao tinejdzer.

Inace, kad se prica o zrtvama uglavnom kacim ovaj sajt dole posto smatram da nema smisla pricati iskljucivo o zrtvama sa jedne strane ili o pojedinim slucajevima kao sto to rade propagandisti. https://airwars.org/

Ono sta se moze razlikovati je broj zrtava i kontekst u kome su poginuli. Meni napad buradima u kome pogine 90 civila i 10 naoruzanih i dalje nije isto sto i napad raketom gde pogine 90 naoruzanih i 10 civila - a to nije isto ni u ratnom pravu.

Edited March 2, 2018 by Anduril

[theanswer]

dnevno pominjanje srj otkaceno

[Krošek]

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Syria: The Truth About the Russian Deaths in US Airstrikes

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March 02, 2018  11:22 AM

When it comes to cursing, the man doesn't hold back. "Son of a bitch" is the mildest cuss word that comes out of the militia member's mouth as he rants furiously about the inferno created by the hours-long American airstrike southeast of the city of Deir ez-Zor. Even as smoke continues to billow from burned out SUVs around them, he and five other men have come to remove the shattered body of one of their fellow fighters from the glowing embers of a bombed-out building.

The scene comes from a two-minute video of the battlefield that one of the fighters took on the afternoon of Feb. 8, hours after the firestorm, and provided to DER SPIEGEL and the Euphrates Post, a news site providing coverage of the region. It's the first photographic documentation of one of the most mysterious battles yet in this increasingly complex war.

Intially, the United States military announced on Feb. 8 it had attacked "pro-regime forces" of Bashar Assad's southeast of the city Deir ez-Zor to ward off an attack on a base belonging to the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), who are allies of the Americans. The U.S. said the pro-Assad forces had attacked the SDF base with tanks and mortars. The U.S. fired back in response, claiming to have killed "more than 100" of the fighters in what was described as an act of self-defense.

 

The following video scenes from the site after the U.S. airstrike on Deir ez-Zor:

But who exactly were these attackers? And what really happened that night in the small, half-deserted villages on the east bank of the Euphrates River? Did American bombs decimate Russian troops? Could the attack even be a foreboding of coming skirmishes between the Americans and Russians?

A team of DER SPIEGEL journalists spent two weeks interviewing both witnesses to, and participants in, the battle. The team also spoke to a staff member at the only hospital in Deir ez-Zor as well as an employee of the local military airport in an attempt to get a clear picture of exactly what took place during the three-day battle.

The accounts largely corroborate each other and the image of events that emerges is one that contradicts what has been reported in the Russian and international media.

At 5 a.m. on Feb. 7, around 250 fighters south of Deir ez-Zor attempted to cross from the west bank of the Euphrates to the east using a military pontoon bridge. They included members of the militias of two tribes, the Bekara and the Albo Hamad, who are fighting for Assad's regime with Iranian backing, soldiers of the 4th Division as well as Afghan and Iraqi fighters with the Fatimiyoun and Zainabiyoun brigades, which are under Iranian command. A soldier with the 4th Division recounted that the units had spent a week gathering on the property of the military airport. Witnesses say that no Russian mercenaries took part in the attempted crossing.

The Americans and the Russians agreed last year to make the Euphrates River a "deconfliction" line. Assad's troops and its allies are west of the river while the east side is controlled by SDF under the protection of the Americans. The east side is home to a chain of productive natural gas fields generally known as the Conoco field.

As such, the Americans on the eastern banks viewed the advance as an attack and fired a series of warning shots toward to bridge. Nobody was injured and the attackers withdrew.

But they didn't give up. Long after darkness, around twice as many men from the same groups crossed another makeshift bridge a few kilometers north, close to the Deir ez-Zor military airport. They drove without their lights on to prevent U.S. drones from spotting them. Undetected this time, they made it to the village of Marrat on the eastern side. When they advanced further south at around 10 p.m., toward the SDF base in Khusham, the Americans, whose special forces were also stationed there, once again opened fire. And this time they weren't warning shots. The U.S. said in a statement given to CNN that after "20 to 30 artillery and tank rounds landed within 500 meters" of the SDF headquarters, the coalition forces "targeted the aggressors with a combination of air and artillery strikes."

That was putting it mildly. Because right around the same time late that night, another group of Syrian tribal militia members and Shiite fighters came from the village of Tabiya to the south and also attacked the SDF base. And the Americans struck back with their entire destructive arsenal. They deployed rocket-equipped drones, combat helicopters, heavy AC 130 aircraft, nicknamed "gun boats," to fire on targets on the ground, rockets and ground artillery.

They struck in the night, followed by an attack the next morning on a group with a tribal militia in Tabiya that had only come to retrieve the bodies. And on Feb. 9, they once again attacked a unit of the same fighters who had popped up on the eastern side of the river.

 

A Different Version of Events

It was primarily the second night-time attack from the village of Tabiya that triggered the American paroxysm, said two men belonging to the al-Baqir militia of the Bekara tribe. Because in addition to the deconfliction line, there was also a second agreement which allowed up to 400 pro-Assad fighters, who remained on the east side of the Euphrates following the 2017 battle against Islamic State, to remain. At least as long as their weren't more than 400 of them and they remained peaceful. But exactly that was no longer the case.

Among those stationed in Tabiya was a small contingent of Russian mercenaries. But the two militia sources said they did not participate in the fighting. Still, they said, 10 to 20 of them did in fact lose their lives. They said a total of more than 200 of the attackers died, including around 80 Syrian soldiers with the 4th Division, around 100 Iraqis and Afghans and around 70 tribal fighters, mostly with the al-Baqir militia.

It all happened at night, and the situation became extremely complicated when the fighters from Tabiya entered the fray. A staffer at the only major hospital in Deir ez-Zor would later say that around a dozen Russian bodies were delivered. An employee at the airport, meanwhile, later witnessed the delivery of the bodies in two Toyota pickup trucks to a waiting Russian transport aircraft that then flew to Qamishli, an airport near the Syrian border in the north.

In the days that followed, the identities of the Russians killed would be revealed -- first of six and ultimately nine. Eight had been verified by the Conflict Intelligence Team, a Russian investigative platform, and another was released by the radio station Echo Moscow. All were employees of the private mercenary company Evro Polis, which is often referred to by the nom du guerre of its head: "Wagner."

At the same time, however, a completely different version of events has gained traction -- disseminated at first by Russian nationalists like Igor "Strelkov" Girkin, and then by others associated with the Wagner unit. According to those accounts, many more Russians had been killed in the battle -- 100, 200, 300 or as many as 600. An entire unit, it was said, had been wiped out and the Kremlin wanted to cover it up. Recordings of alleged fighters even popped up apparently confirming these horrendous losses.

It was a version that sounded so plausible that even Western news agencies like Reuters and Bloomberg picked it up. The fact that the government in Moscow at first didn't want to confirm any deaths and then spoke of five "Russian citizens" killed and later, nebulously, of "dozens of injured," some of whom had died, only seemed to make the version of events seem more credible. It has generally been the case, after all, that when something in the Syrian war is denied by the Kremlin, or when the Russians admit to it bit by bit, then it is probably accurate. Besides, Russian losses in Syria are constantly played down.

 

'The Bad Luck of Being at the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time'

Relations between the Russian mercenaries in Syria -- it is thought there are more than 2,000 of them -- and the government in Moscow have been tense for some time. The fighters claim they are being used as cannon fodder, are being kept quiet and are poorly paid. For them to now accuse the Kremlin of trying to cover up the fact that Russians were killed -- by the Americans, of all people -- hits President Vladimir Putin's government in a weak spot: its credibility.

The only verifiable sources for the decimation of hundreds of Russians are the photos and videos circulating on the internet or from Russian sources that are passed on to Western journalists. Some of them show footage from eastern Ukraine that was later doctored or even the demo version of a video game that Putin personally showed to Hollywood director Oliver Stone as alleged proof of a Russian attack on an IS convoy.

The situation on the ground between Khusham and Tabiya on the eastern bank of the Euphrates, described by a half dozen witnesses and people who were party to the events, does not confirm Russian mercenary participation in the attack or even that they joined the fighting at all. Ahmad Ramadan, the journalist who founded the Euphrates Post and has since emigrated to Turkey, comes from Tabiya. One of his contacts fights for the al-Baqir militia and took the video at the site of the bombings. "If it had been a Russian attack, with many Russian dead, we would have reported about it," he said. "But it wasn't. The Russians in Tabiya just had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time."

 

[NiZdr]

 

[mackenzie]

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Escape from Saudi-backed Takfiri hell: A story of brave woman from Eastern Ghouta

 

“I knew I had to find a way out when my husband died.” The lives of hundreds of thousands of Syrians hang in the balance in East Ghouta, as armed militias battle the Syrian government forces, which are determined to retake the area east of the capital Damascus.

Mary (her name is changed for security reasons) is a Syrian mother who grew up in Damascus, but married a man living in East Ghouta and has been living there for 10 years. She has been living under Takfiris occupation since 2013.

The only safe exit designated for civilians fleeing the battle zone is the check point at Al Wafideen. The ambulances of the Syrian Red Crescent line up each morning awaiting any civilians who may be able to make it out in the humanitarian pause from 9 am to 2 pm local time. Buses are also waiting, in the hope civilians will come pouring out, reminiscent of the thousands of civilians who poured out of East Aleppo in December 2016 before the final bullets were fired, marking the end of the siege. However, East Ghouta is not a repeat of East Aleppo.  One of the factors why civilians are not seen on live TV coverage each morning may be the fact terrorists are targeting the exit, not willing to part with their  human shields.  The other factor might be that in East Aleppo there were many safe corridors to exit, whereas in East Ghouta there is just one exit.

Mary started thinking about leaving East Ghouta after her husband was killed. “When you are a woman alone, surrounded by men with guns, you feel like the hyenas are circling: they smell fear and weakness.” She has been communicating with her relatives in Damascus through social media and phone apps.  She has lost her original home and TV, but has her cell phone as her link to the outside world.

“My family told me to work on a plan to escape. I was very cautious because I knew there would be snipers and they would not allow us to just walk out freely. I thought about complaining I needed special medical attention, but I knew the doctors inside would see that my children and I are all healthy and would not allow it. I came up with many plans in my mind about how I could get out, but I knew I had to try because I was no longer safe alone.”

 

Syrian women live protected by their father and brothers, then their husband, and finally their son. Mary’s father was deceased, her brothers were in Europe as refugees, her husband was deceased, and her son is just a young boy. Mary is all alone. She said there are men who are demanding sexual favors in exchange for food. “My honor and dignity are not for sale.” said Mary. She is also in even greater fear of the safety of her young son. “The Syrian fighters either have a wife, or have girl friends. But, the Saudi fighters only like little boys.  Females are safe around them, but my little son is just the right age to attract their attention, and without a father to protect him, it would be a hopeless situation. Boys older than 10 are safe, they only want the little boys.”

Jaysh al-Islam is one of the 2 main militias in East Ghouta. It had been founded and headed by a Syrian named Zahran Alloush, before he was killed. However, it is exclusively supported and funded by Saudi Arabia. Most of the fighters are Syrian; however, there is a very large contingent of Saudi Arabians. There are vast differences between the social customs, traditions and lifestyles of Saudi Arabia and Syria. 

The Syrian Army had dropped leaflets encouraging the civilians to flee for their safety. It included specific directions to the exit at Al Wafideen, which is the main entry and exit of East Ghouta from Damascus. Mary asked her family in Damascus, who were living by their TV on pins and needles each morning, if anyone had gotten out. No one had, except one exceptional case of an elderly Pakistani couple who were evacuated by the Syrian Red Crescent on Wednesday. This elderly couple had been living in Syria since 1975, and were evacuated and sent back to Pakistan though their Embassy in Syria.

Mary began to give up hope as her neighbors were talking of large numbers of dead and wounded who had tried the daring escape. “The fighters are using us as protection. They are depending on the western media to label them as the oppressed, when in reality it is the unarmed civilian hostages who are oppressed. Some of my neighbors are so brainwashed with the Jihadist propaganda that they want to die in East Ghouta. They refuse to consider an escape plan. I can’t talk to them: I have to keep all my thoughts and plans to myself.”

 

Mary’s family saw on the Syrian local TV channel the phone numbers and email address to contact for civilians wanting to plan their escape. The cell numbers are:   0994562878, 0941327121, and email address Mazaret1060917@gmail.com

Mary finds strength in her religion. “I know the Jihadists here: they are Sunni Muslims just like me. We share the same religion, but they have used our religion as a right to maim and kill. That is not Islam. How will I ever be able to explain this to my children when they grow up?”

Mary’s family is still in contact with her and is praying for her safe escape to Damascus. They have begun getting some clothes and supplies for her home coming. Her sister said, “You might not see her escape on TV coverage. She has a plan to use an alternative way out. She has her own plan.”

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[Redoran]

Svojevremeno je ovaj topik bio preplavljen tvrdnjama kako je Asad namerno pustio iz zatvora 200 islamista kako bi ocrnio liberalno-demokratsku pobunu i sebe predstavio kao jedinu opciju u Siriji koja nije kompletno opičena u mozak.

 

Evo drugačijeg pogleda na to oslobađanje, pa možemo da ih ukrstimo.

 

 

 

[Anduril]

Kako su dosadni ovakvi wannabe strucni eseji sa ideoloskih anti-establisment sajtova - onoliki tekst a toliko nedostataka:

- ne objasnjava se razlika izmedju raznih islamista, posebno brace i salafista, kao i kompleksnost citave opozicione scene

- potpuno se ignorise odakle sukobi/mrznja izmedju islamista i batista - opis dogadjaja u Hami 82. je sraman, ignorisanje Asadovih zlocina jos vise, zli islamisti se pojavili niotkuda

- umesto da se da pregled situacije i problema sa svih strana, gura se jedna ideoloska prica da bi se kritikovao glupi zapadni establisment kao da je to jedini problem

 

Meni je mnogo bolji esej nekoga ko takodje generalno kritikuje intervencionizam, a posebno glupost zapadne politike u Siriji jovaj:

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/foreign-intervention-in-syria-isnt-it-time-to-admit-that-the-war-against-the-syrian-regime-is-lost-by-nikolaos-van-dam/

Razlika je sto on analizira i kritikuje maltene sve strane i ne precutkuje ko je najveci ubica ali zato argumentuje logicki a ne navijacki ili ideoloski.

[Ayatollah]

Miralem u poseti istočnoj Guti...

 

 

Edited March 11, 2018 by Ayatollah

[Miralem]

fale bele zeke. plus ovi nisu dovoljno flafi.

Edited March 12, 2018 by Miralem

[Eraserhead]

I Francuska spremna da izvede napad u Siriji

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"Onog dana kada budemo imali, posebno u tandemu sa našim američkim partnerima, nepobitan dokaz da je pređena crvena linija, odnosno da je korišćeno hemijsko oružje sa smrtnim ishodom, učinićemo ono što su Amerikanci sami učinili još pre nekoliko meseci. Stali bismo u poziciju da izvodimo ciljane napade", rekao je Makron na konferenciji za novinare u Indiji, prenosi Rojters. 

Neposredno pre sednice Ujedinjenih nacija na kojoj će se govoriti o Siriji, Makron je izjavio da Moskva, koja je blizak saveznik vlade sirijskog predsednika Bašara al Asada, nije učinila dovoljno da se omoguće olakšani uslovi u predgrađu Damaska, istočnoj Guti. 

"Ovo je debata koja će se voditi u narednim satima u Ujedinjenim nacijama, gde će se pokazati da su ustupci na terenu koje pravi Rusija, ali pre svega sirijski režim i njegovi iranski saveznici, nedovoljni", rekao je on. 

Francuski predsednik je, kako agencija ukazuje, i ranije iznosio pretnje, ali je do sada učinio malo da bi uticao na događaje u Siriji. 

"Naše informacije ukrštaju se sa informacijama naših saveznika, ali da bi sve bilo jasno moramo da imamo nezavisan kapacitet da identifikujemo mete i izvedemo napade tamo gde je neophodno", rekao je Makron. 

 

 

 

Aj da vidimo i to cudo da neko masovnim ubicama stane za vrat.

Edited March 13, 2018 by Eraserhead

[Miralem]

hm. a po kom osnovu francuska "identifikuje"?

[theanswer]

wishfull thinking

 

saa je već na ulazu u urbane delove gute, pitanje je dana kada će džihadisti u zelene buseve

[Eraserhead]

12 hours ago, Miralem said:

hm. a po kom osnovu francuska "identifikuje"?

 

Po tome sto je Francuska demokratska zemlja a ne azijska despotija kremljanskig tipa ili bliskoistocna diktatura Sirijskog tipa

[Miralem]

a demokratske zemlje imaju pravo da tu i tamo nekog izbombarduju ako procene da im se nesto ne dopada?