Muwan Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Pa da je malo manje lupetao prethodnih mesec dana možda ne bi popio ovakvu šamarčinu. Poklao se sa Rusima, ranije sa Izraelom, sad sa Nemcima, Amerikanci ga, najblaže rečeno drže na distanci. Šta on zamišlja, kakva je Turska vojna i ekonomska sila da bi mogao tako da se ponaša? Jel' uopšte ima ijednog saveznika osim Bosne? Dovoljna je sila da može sebi da dozvoli da ne prihvati ovakve pilićarske packe. To što je turska spoljna politika doživela nevidjen debakl ne znači da onaj ko od jezivih zločina pravi političke adute ima pola grama mozga. Uzgred, ostao im je Katar kao saveznik dok se i sa njima ne raskantaju. I još nešto: ajde Norveška, ajde Kuba, ajde Novi Zeland... ali Nemačka da nekom spočitava genocid... Pa jbt. Edited June 2, 2016 by beowl
Kampokei Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Ima logike, lakse im da nisu jedini sa teskim bremenom. A naslusali smo se raznih Nemaca o tome kako Srbija treba da se suoci sa prosloscu "onako kako smo to mi ucinili".
Anonymous Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Sad da ne pokrećemo trol na ovom topiku, koji je nekim čudom izbegao sudbinu drugih, ali Nemačka je priznala i debelo iskijala sva sranja koja je napravila. Ostaje činjenica koju je Maršal pomenuo, da se takve rezolucije ne donose na dnevnopolitičkom nivou.
Muwan Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 To i ja kažem. Ovo je stvar za neki medjunarodni sud ili komisiju a ne za političare. Srbija, kad je već pomenuta, svoje suočavanje bazira na kakvim-takvim sudskim presudama a ne na političkim rezolucijama.
Anonymous Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Sad se tek vidi kolika je budala Erdogan ispao sa onim obaranjem ruskog aviona. Nema nikakvu odstupnicu za ovakva sranja. Stvarno treba biti majstor pa dovesti zemlju sa takvim položajem i potencijalom u ovakvu situaciju. Nemce boli uvo, može im se da ovo rade.
Muwan Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Debilizam Bratstva veći je od svemira, to smo odavno konstatovali. Samo, ova packa niti će dovesti do prosvetljenja niti do jačanja nekakvih antirežimskih tonova. Naprotiv, Turska će sada da krene da zbija redove baš kao i Rusija. Dovoljno su već iznervirani zbog podrške sestrinskim organizacijama PKK, samo im još fali Bundestag koji otvara jermenski front. Edited June 2, 2016 by beowl
Anonymous Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Muka po Tursku je što je Putin najmanje deset puta uračunljiviji od ovog manijaka, što je sasvim lepo pokazao u Siriji. Pri tom on ne lupeta gluposti tipa 'idite vi vašim putem, a mi idemo svojim', on i pod sankcijama veoma pazi kako razgovara sa Švabama. Nije ni nemačka politika pojam uračunljivosti, da ne budem pogrešno shvaćen. edit: Pojam uračunljivosti je Izrael, stoički su izdžali Erdoganove izlive besa posle sranja sa onim brodom, cenim da će im se Erdogan u nekom trenutku ponuditi za savezništvo. Dobri su sa svim jakim igračima trenutno, uopšte se nisu bunili kad je ruski avion preleteo preko njihove teritorije nenajavljen. Edited June 2, 2016 by Anonymous
Prospero Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 meni je ovo blah imaju toliko savremenih tema i motiva da udaraju packe erdoganu ako to žele - rat protiv etničke manjine, položaj novinara itd - a svelo se na jedan besmisleni gest koji će pogoršati i zakomplikovati odnose bez jasne vizije zbog čega i s kakvom izlaznom strategijom.
namenski Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Pravi ljudi u kostimima (koji su naravno nakičereni do maksimuma u odnosu na istorijske originale). Ima ih i napolju. Neverovatno, ali samo na prvi pogled, kako novokomponovani nacionalizmi 21. veka imaju iste vlazne snove, istu izmastanu fantasticnu kostimografiju neutemeljenu ni u cemu osim u bez promasaja napumpanom nacionalnom egu... Itd, itd, primeri metodom slucajnog uzorka, ima toga koliko 'oces, od Moskve preko Skopja i Pristine, do Baltika
Anonymous Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 meni je ovo blah imaju toliko savremenih tema i motiva da udaraju packe erdoganu ako to žele - rat protiv etničke manjine, položaj novinara itd - a svelo se na jedan besmisleni gest koji će pogoršati i zakomplikovati odnose bez jasne vizije zbog čega i s kakvom izlaznom strategijom. Udaraju gde najviše boli. Hoće da demonstrijaju silu kao i Grcima, gde su uspeli. Ovaj cirkus je trebalo izbeći, Erdogan nije smeo da se kurči kao što se kurčio, Nemci su mogli smisliti primereniju reakciju na lupetanje budale, ipak bi nemačko-turski odnosi trebalo da budu važniji od ovih gluposti. Fale nam političari sa nekakvom vizijom, u stvari nam fale elementarno normalni političari.
Dr Arslanagić Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Koliko je tužno što se nije priznavao genocid nad jednim narodom da bi se pušio kurac NATO pešadincima Turcima. Fuj.
Budja Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 meni je ovo blah imaju toliko savremenih tema i motiva da udaraju packe erdoganu ako to žele - rat protiv etničke manjine, položaj novinara itd - a svelo se na jedan besmisleni gest koji će pogoršati i zakomplikovati odnose bez jasne vizije zbog čega i s kakvom izlaznom strategijom. Apsolutno. Mislim, ona sudstvo, Merkelova povodom ismejavanja Erdogana je veca bruka. Ne nazirem apsolutno nikakav smisao u nemackoj taktici i strategiji. Sve vreme stop and go, toplo-hladno u svakoj jebenoj krizi.
Budja Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Koliko je tužno što se nije priznavao genocid nad jednim narodom da bi se pušio kurac NATO pešadincima Turcima. Fuj. Sad se ne pusi kurac, vec se daju milke Turcima da ne pustaju izbeglice.
hazard Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) jbg, kud ne uspe Dardanelska ekspedicija... + milijardu I još nešto: ajde Norveška, ajde Kuba, ajde Novi Zeland... ali Nemačka da nekom spočitava genocid... Pa jbt. Koliko ja vidim, Nemacka je ovom rezolucijom priznala i svoju delimicnu odgovornost za jermenski genocid, jer kao glavni ratni saveznik Turske nije ucinila nista da se on spreci ili bar ublazi. http://news.am/eng/news/330248.html (tekst rezolucije): Based on the decree of the Young Turks’ government on April 24 of 1915 there began planned exiles and massacres of more than 1 million Armenians of the Ottoman Constantinople. The 20th century is marked with horrible fate of those people. Their fate is an example of mass deportations, ethnic, expulsions and , of course , a Genocide (Völkermord). At the same time, we realize the distinct features of the Holocaust, for which Germany bears its guilt and responsibility. The Bundestag recognizes the historical responsibility of Germany [in the Genocide of the Armenians]. I jos malo sa wikija: Another notable figure in the German military camp was Max Erwin von Scheubner-Richter, who documented various massacres of Armenians. He sent fifteen reports regarding "deportations and mass killings" to the German chancellery. His final report noted that fewer than 100,000 Armenians were left alive in the Ottoman Empire: the rest having been exterminated (German: ausgerottet).[59]:329–30 Scheubner-Richter also detailed the methods of the Ottoman government, noting its use of the Special Organization and other bureaucratized instruments of genocide. According to Bat Ye'or, an Israeli historian, the Germans also witnessed Armenians being burned to death. She writes: "The Germans, allies of the Turks in the First World War ... saw how civil populations were shut up in churches and burned, or gathered en masse in camps, tortured to death, and reduced to ashes".[138] German officers stationed in eastern Turkey disputed the government's assertion that Armenian revolts had broken out, suggesting that the areas were "quiet until the deportations began".[60]:212 Other Germans openly supported the Ottoman policy against the Armenians. As Hans Humann, the German naval attaché in Constantinople said to US Ambassador Henry Morgenthau: I have lived in Turkey the larger part of my life ... and I know the Armenians. I also know that both Armenians and Turks cannot live together in this country. One of these races has got to go. And I don't blame the Turks for what they are doing to the Armenians. I think that they are entirely justified. The weaker nation must succumb. The Armenians desire to dismember Turkey; they are against the Turks and the Germans in this war, and they therefore have no right to exist here.[51]:257 In a genocide conference held in 2001, professor Wolfgang Wipperman of the Free University of Berlin introduced documents evidencing that the German High Command was aware of the mass killings at the time but chose not to interfere or speak out.[59]:331 In his reports to Berlin in 1917, General Hans von Seeckt supported the reforming efforts of the Young Turks, writing that "the inner weakness of Turkey in their entirety, call for the history and custom of the new Turkish empire to be written".[139] Seeckt added that "Only a few moments of the destruction are still mentioned. The upper levels of society had become unwarlike, the main reason being the increasing mixing with foreign elements of a long standing unculture".[139] Seeckt blamed all of the problems of the Ottoman Empire on the Jews and the Armenians, whom he portrayed as a fifth column working for the Allies.[139] In July 1918, Seeckt sent a message to Berlin stating that "It is an impossible state of affairs to be allied with the Turks and to stand up for the Armenians. In my view any consideration, Christian, sentimental, and political should be eclipsed by a hard, but clear necessity for war".[139] One photograph shows two unidentified German army officers, in company of three Turkish soldiers and a Kurdish man, standing amidst human remains. The discovery of this photograph prompted English journalist Robert Fisk to draw a direct line from the Armenian Genocide to the Holocaust. Fisk, while acknowledging the role playing by most German diplomats and parliamentaries in the condemnation of the Ottoman Turks, noted that some of the German witnesses to the Armenian holocaust would later go on to play a role in the Nazi regime. For example, Konstantin Freiherr von Neurath, who was attached to the Turkish 4th Army in 1915 with instructions to monitor "operations" against the Armenians, later became Hitler's foreign minister and "Protector of Bohemia and Moravia" during Reinhard Heydrich's terror in Czechoslovakia.[140] I naravno, imamo famozni Hitlerov citat, u kontekstu holokausta i istrebljenja Jevreja i ostalih nepozeljnih, Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians? Tako da da, bas Nemacka ima istorijsku odgovornost da ove stvari nazove pravim imenom, i zato je ova rezolucija vazna i moralno ispravna stvar. I sto kaze Arslanagic gore, ono sto je uzasno je to sto se da sada nije genocid nad Jermenima nazivao pravim imenom jer je Turska bila bitan NATO saveznik kome je valjalo uvlaciti se u bulju, a Jermene, ko njih jebe, ona sacica koja je ostala je bila pod Sovjetima a danas i dalje gotive Ruse. Edited June 2, 2016 by hazard
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