Gandalf Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/06/13/who-is-blowing-up-ships-in-the-gulf This is the second time in just over a month that tankers have been damaged in the Gulf. On May 12th four ships anchored off Fujairah, a port in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), had holes blown in their hulls. A preliminary investigation suggests that they were damaged by limpet mines. The latest explosions caused far more damage, forcing crews to evacuate both ships as they were underway. It will take weeks to probe what happened, amid reports of torpedoes being used. But the explosions do not seem accidental. The president of Kokuka Sangyo said the Kokuka Courageous vessel was “attacked” twice in a three-hour period.
nautilus Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 Limpet mines? Neko je stao uz bok tankera i zalepio eksploziv? Ovo je moguće uraditi jedino u luci. U pokretu jedino uz mirno more i saradnju sa posadom.Sent from my HM NOTE 1LTE using Tapatalk
vememah Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 The Onion od pre mesec dana. https://politics.theonion.com/john-bolton-an-attack-on-two-saudi-oil-tankers-is-an-1834791494
Budja Posted June 17, 2019 Posted June 17, 2019 ovo vec to nije. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48661843 Quote Iran nuclear deal: Enriched uranium limit will be breached on 27 June
Redoran Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 On 14.6.2019. at 14:37, nautilus said: Pre desetak godina je najmanji iranski projektil u naoružanju hezbolaha umalo potopio izraelsku korvetu. Čak i da jeste to, pitanje je odakle je ispaljen posto se ovo i nije desilo bas blizu obale. I naravno, ostali bi tragovi. Ne znam, nije me baš mnogo briga za iran ali voleo bih da vidim više dokaza da su oni to uradili pre nego se krene u neku ishitrenu operaciju. Šta se ovde definiše kao "ishitrena operacija"? Tokom iračko-iranskog rata dve zemlje su jedna drugoj napadale tankere pa je tako greškom nastradao USS Stark čijih je 30-ak mornara otišlo na ahiret jer je irački pilot mislio da gađa iranski tanker. U to vreme je cvetala ljubav između Amerike i Sadama pa je DoS iz momenta svalio kompletnu odgovornost na Iran. Da ne pominjem da su trigger happy majmuni oduvali sa neba putnički avion sa 300 civila i do danas se za to nisu izvinili a kamoli odgovarali, i sad su dve rupe u dva tankera odjednom neki događaj bez presedana posle koga više ništa ne može biti isto? U regionu operišu najmanje tri mornarice koje imaju kapacitet da izvedu ovako nešto, i čiji naredbodavci (formalni ili neformalni) imaju motiv da izdaju naređenje. Jedna od te tri je iranska ali imamo još dve. Slična priča važi i ako su eksplozivne naprave postavljene dok su tankeri bili usidreni - opet imamo najmanje tri zemlje koje su to mogle da izvedu i u kojima postoje frakcije koje imaju motiv da narede takvu operaciju. Koliko god da je validna pretpostavka da je Iran ovim želeo da održi minijaturnu pokaznu vežbu na temu u šta mogu da pretvore čitav Hormuz ako budu baš saterani u ćošak, toliko je validna i pretpostavka je ekipa na drugoj strani (koja želi rat po svaku cenu i živi u nekim iluzijama da bi taj rat mogao da se vodi ograničeno i sa bezbedne distance) odlučila da krene jakotm. Dokaza nema ni za jedno ni za drugo, ali pošto je u pitanju drugi incident u relativno kratkom periodu, za očekivati je da ćemo videi i treći uskoro pa će se klupko možda odmotati.
namenski Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 Izvor: U.S. Central Command, CENTCOM, japanski MT Kokuka Courageous, jedan od dva napadnuta tankera 13. juna... Zvanicno saopstenje: Quote U.S. Naval Forces in the region received two separate distress calls at 6:12 a.m. local time from the motor tanker (M/T) Altair and a second one at 7a.m. local time from the M/T Kokuka Courageous. Both vessels were in international waters in the Gulf of Oman approximately 10 nautical miles apart at the time of the distress calls. USS Bainbridge was approximately 40 nautical miles away from the M/T Altair at the time of the attack, and immediately began closing the distance. At 8:09 a.m. local time a U.S. aircraft observed an IRGC Hendijan class patrol boat and multiple IRGC fast attack craft/fast inshore attack craft (FAC/FIAC) in the vicinity of the M/T Altair. At 9:12 a.m. local time a U.S. aircraft observes the FAC/FIAC pull a raft from the M/T Altair from the water. At 9:26 a.m. local time the Iranians requested that the motor vessel Hyundai Dubai, which had rescued the sailors from the M/T Altair, to turn the crew over to the Iranian FIACs. The motor vessel Hyundai Dubai complied with the request and transferred the crew of the M/T Altair to the Iranian FIACs. At 11:05 a.m. local time USS Bainbridge approaches the Dutch tug Coastal Ace, which had rescued the crew of twenty-one sailors from the M/T Kokuka Courageous who had abandoned their ship after discovering a probable unexploded limpet mine on their hull following an initial explosion. While the Hendijan patrol boat appeared to attempt to get to the tug Coastal Ace before USS Bainbridge, the mariners were rescued by USS Bainbridge at the request of the master of the M/T Kokuka Courageous. The rescued sailors are currently aboard USS Bainbridge. At 4:10 p.m. local time an IRGC Gashti Class patrol boat approached the M/T Kokuka Courageous and was observed and recorded removing the unexploded limpet mine from the M/T Kokuka Courageous (video above). The U.S. and our partners in the region will take all necessary measures to defend ourselves and our interests. Today’s attacks are a clear threat to international freedom of navigation and freedom of commerce. The U.S. and the international community, stand ready to defend our interests, including the freedom of navigation. The United States has no interest in engaging in a new conflict in the Middle East. However, we will defend our interests.
nautilus Posted June 20, 2019 Posted June 20, 2019 Iranci oborili americki izvidjacki dron u svom vazdusnom prostoru. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/middleeast/iran-drone-claim-hnk-intl/index.html
Redoran Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 Nije to izviđački dron, to je high tech osmatračka platforma od 200 milki. Ozbiljan kill. Neko mora da deeskalira ovo dok još ima vremena.
precog Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 a, to li je... nije mi bilo jasno sto ameri pizde zbog jednog drona.
Anduril Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Rekli smo vec, pravice se Obama (pa cak i Klintonka) od blata, pogotovo sto se tice Irana - sve ide po planu i ocekivano, MBS - Tramp, Kusner i Izraelski fasovi uz podrsku raznih Boltona su odlicna kombinacija za novi haos u regionu poput Iraka od 2003. pa da region i svet mogu da trpe i ciste posledice sledecih 15-20 godina, da bi korisni idioti posle mogli da kazu svejetoisto. Bilo je to ocigledno i sa Busom svojevremeno. GOP je prosto jedan organizovan mafijaski kartel sa fas i fundamentalistickim evangelikanskim tendecijama (kao svojevremeno mafija pod Musolinijem sa sve katolickom “etikom) koji se nece smiriti dok ih neko ne zatvori ili pobije. Za neke Demokrate jos i ima nade ali ovo je vec beyond repair. Ova Tramp budala je vec dala naredbu za odmazdu pa povukao - cenim da ce da saceka pollove i kako ce jedan novi rat uticati na njegove sanse za reizbor. Bus je i to odradio po planu - godinu dana pre izbora. Ako bude rata, verovatno na jesen - ima sad Bibi manjih problema ali dovesce se vec i izraelski fasisti u red kad se krene na Iran. Edited June 21, 2019 by Anduril
Redoran Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, precog said: a, to li je... nije mi bilo jasno sto ameri pizde zbog jednog drona. Ma da, Tritona su im zveknuli i to još neku probnu verziju u koju je verovatno bilo napakovano svašta od nove tehnologije i opreme. Kada je u pitanju odmazda, tipujem na neki iranski cilj u Siriji ali to naravno neće biti kraj spirale. Sada smo u onoj fazi u kojoj se nijednoj strani ne ide u rat ali mora da pronađe nekakav odgovor na prethodni postupak druge strane. I tako mic po mic, dok se i jedni i drugi ne dozovu pameti ili prsnu skroz. Najveći problem je to što će američki mediji brutalno rastrgnuti bilo kog predsednika koji odluči da sedne za sto nakon što mu se pokažu zubi. Ako Trampara izađe iz ovoga bez daljeg podizanja tenzija ima da ga progone do samog dana izbora, doduše zasluženo jer on je čorbu zakuvao pa neka je i kusa. Pitanje je samo da li je spreman na to. Eno ga, pokušava prvo vađenje sa onom presmešnom pričom kako je odobrio pa u zadnji čas zaustavio napad, nadajmo se da će biti dovoljno da makar privremeno zasiti MSM zver ali to kad jednom namiriše krv...
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